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Posted: 11 years ago
Before I read your reply I wanted to add on
why cant we fight without bringing dignity into this, especially when it concerns a woman. A woman's biggest luxury is her reputation, her respect and her dignity but when anyone of those are degraded than all three of them are, and that is the worst way you can kill a woman. Exactly, I love that she has the respect the elder element thing in her and does not allow Zain to say anything to his mom, but what if Zain initiates to not stand by her anymore, will she than too walk away quietly? will she than too tolerate all the BS thats being said about her? All the inhumane blames on her character? Basically calling her a wh**e when she is a married woman? when she could marry a guy who she could not tolerate for the sake of her parents than why can she not stand up for her rights, for her self-respect, because in her self-respect lies her parents self respect, Why do they not look in to that?

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: AashimaK


You both are absolutely right !!! SD you did an extremely good job in highlighting the points which are often neglected in Indian shows. and Littles 12 you are right !! They should at least show one episode where Zain is thinking about how they got married and stuff. Remember how he said "mujhe laga tha ki humne kitna fasla teh kar liya" and then he apologized for his behaviour in the party, I loved those scenes. I want CVs to give us an episode where they show Zain thinking about their journey since their marriage and then apologizing to her !!!


I feel like people are just too hooked up with the romance when they are obnoxiously ignoring the major faults such as Woman Rights. Even before the confession, in the party, Zain man-handled her and did not allow her to justify herself, but what she forgave and they lived happily ever after! No cannot be, and all he said was sorry, it isnt enough for when a man just comes and degrades a woman for when she isnt even at fault.
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Posted: 11 years ago
_Littles12_
Towards your last post, we can just wish for all that...😆

But seriously...if PH did this meherbaani of Zain and Aliya lambasting together about the repeated "tamasha" they are being made by Suraiyya, I would say...a true revolution has happened over Indian TV world.

But I remember earlier...over Colors TV, Na Aana Is Des Laado, both husband and wife go against the MIL/Mother. and that was like 5 years back.

So its really not hard. The creatives just need to be progressive and not regressive in thinking.

Sonali Jaffer is Ekta Kapoor's one of old writers. She is writing for this story as well. So unless Mr.Producer (Farhan Salaruddin...forgive me if I mis-spelt the name) directs her how the outline of the story should be, Sonali Jaffer is good at all kinds of dramas..like suddenly making Zubair the villain.

So its in the hands of the story visionaries themselves, where they want to take it. I am sure, in the backdrop of festival, showing such evil scheming, the story writers have embedded poetic justice as well. Coz...they just cannot show the power of faith, be wasted. Either the couple is going to fight being together, or they become alone through misunderstanding, but ultimately the plot needs to be where their faith remains unshaken.

So all you good people, whoever is in touch with producerji...you might as well provide feedback what you want to see.
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Posted: 11 years ago

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@Littles12

I so agree with you. That is why I was saying patriarchal order of things.

So far BI has shown Zain getting responsible every day, growing maturer.

But this time, the ludicrous elements kind of make it a disgusting watch even for a husband.

And its high time Zain realize and put an end to his wife being made a tamasha.

You know the upsetting part is that, this is what clicks with the audience, this is what they enjoy and this is what gets the makers TRP's. Its an ugly fact but when a person tries to bring in new ideas, they fail because who wants to see change, who wants to change everything, who cares if the woman next door is sexually abused every night by her own husband, who cares if the lady the in front is getting beaten up by a man. The mentality of the people in this world is sickening. In my home city, NY, its supposed to be a safe neighborhood where you pay extra taxes for more police, a girl got raped behind a school and no one knew about it and even if any pedestrian heard it, they ignored it and went on. I might be getting too technical but why blame me when this is what they show and this is what i get out of it, I mean I love BI because it was more different than other shows, Zain did stand up for his wife and he did believe in her regardless of the other twenty people against her.

He knew before himself falling in love with his wife, that his mom wants to make a soap opera out of Aliya, then Aliya is chalti-phirti samaj seva ki dukaan, then Aliya is silly and stupid while going for all the big saves and that his wife ends up becoming a tamasha...

I just wish, a sense of frustration is shown this time not only by Zain (coz he knows that already), but also by Aliya for people making a tamasha out of her. To hell with her Family Seva, and Family remains United philosophy. By becoming a tamasha herself, she undermines her husband's dignity in that house. That is what even Aliya has to realize.

But will we ever get to see it? NO. Because the Production House is so stingy and try to cost cutting that, there will be only 3 sets used...4th being a temporary one. And somehow all characters needs to be in BV only.

So my appeal to PH is...if BV is the primary set, atleast give its resident characters some respite from tamasha of every fortnight. Not healthy.

Coz...I go home to watch something light. A seeing a cute couple is destressing. Why spoil that? U might just get the TRP out of watching Cutness itself without any evil.

I need Aliyah to initiate some reaction outta herself, because she has self-respect and its about time she stands up for it. I couldn't agree with you more, Zain was already fully aware of his mother's thoughts about her, and this time it would be high time when we get a huge reaction out of him, because it is need now. Why does the girl have to take the BS, take care of everything, save everyone's ass and also keep her mouth shut?

I think it would set Suraiya right if Zain really left with Aliyah and began his life from scratch, perhaps it would even teach Suraiya a lesson of not do wrong with another woman,

Of course they arent going, they have the time and the money to show her getting abused and harassed, when Zubair picked her up in the kitchen regardless of her repeating to put her down, but they cant show a man standing up for his wife, taking a stand in front of his mother to depict what is right and what is wrong.

What I have always failed to understand in reality or television is why do mother in laws forget that they have daughters and the same could happen to them or they were a daughter in law once too?

BI was always meant to be a light heart-ed show where drama would never be taken to an extent, but clearly not.

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: 0-SD-0

_Littles12_

Towards your last post, we can just wish for all that...😆

But seriously...if PH did this meherbaani of Zain and Aliya lambasting together about the repeated "tamasha" they are being made by Suraiyya, I would say...a true revolution has happened over Indian TV world.

But I remember earlier...over Colors TV, Na Aana Is Des Laado, both husband and wife go against the MIL/Mother. and that was like 5 years back.

So its really not hard. The creatives just need to be progressive and not regressive in thinking.

Sonali Jaffer is Ekta Kapoor's one of old writers. She is writing for this story as well. So unless Mr.Producer (Farhan Salaruddin...forgive me if I mis-spelt the name) directs her how the outline of the story should be, Sonali Jaffer is good at all kinds of dramas..like suddenly making Zubair the villain.

So its in the hands of the story visionaries themselves, where they want to take it. I am sure, in the backdrop of festival, showing such evil scheming, the story writers have embedded poetic justice as well. Coz...they just cannot show the power of faith, be wasted. Either the couple is going to fight being together, or they become alone through misunderstanding, but ultimately the plot needs to be where their faith remains unshaken.

So all you good people, whoever is in touch with producerji...you might as well provide feedback what you want to see.


Well, in that case they might have to sit down and think thoroughly, which many of us choose not to do.
the reason they gave Zubair to be negative is ridiculous, like so he can get the visa, why couldnt he just go to Aliyah and Zain, I am so sure Zain would have helped him happily leaving the country and outta their lives.

I do remain firmly stand ed that Zain will side Aliyah and he will stand up for her in front of everyone.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: _Littles12_


I feel like people are just too hooked up with the romance when they are obnoxiously ignoring the major faults such as Woman Rights. Even before the confession, in the party, Zain man-handled her and did not allow her to justify herself, but what she forgave and they lived happily ever after! No cannot be, and all he said was sorry, it isnt enough for when a man just comes and degrades a woman for when she isnt even at fault.


@bold.

For that, I believe ...Zain was shown priding himself about his possessiveness, then happy that Aliya understands his possessiveness about her, then it dawns on him that he was rude and silly that he cannot confess himself and he expects her to understand him.

And between flux of all this sudden understanding, the confession happens. And Zain does apologize to Aliya by holding his ears...that he will not be mad at her and upon reminding of Aliya, will not shout on her.

So for me that anger about his insecurity...he already apologized for that. And considering his growth of character of how his life is now changed, that too has been covered by Zain, by regretting that his mom cannot even see how Aliya has turned a new life out of a wasted boy like him...and he says this even to Aliya. So an understanding level, Zain has actually has understood what he had done and how it all got lucky for him.

But the same understanding needs to be there when he feels challenged and unlucky like the present times, where someone else keeps claiming affection on his wife. So this time will he have insecure anger like before confession or secure anger to protect his wife.

We kind of have seen his reactions to Zubair and Suraiya earlier before and after confession. But now we have to see his reactions to Zubair, Suraiya and Rehan after consummation. That is another level. It gets murky and mixed...and hence all the more need for faith and calm...and not his anger or emotion.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: 0-SD-0


@bold.

For that, I believe ...Zain was shown priding himself about his possessiveness, then happy that Aliya understands his possessiveness about her, then it dawns on him that he was rude and silly that he cannot confess himself and he expects her to understand him.

And between flux of all this sudden understanding, the confession happens. And Zain does apologize to Aliya by holding his ears...that he will not be mad at her and upon reminding of Aliya, will not shout on her.

So for me that anger about his insecurity...he already apologized for that. And considering his growth of character of how his life is now changed, that too has been covered by Zain, by regretting that his mom cannot even see how Aliya has turned a new life out of a wasted boy like him...and he says this even to Aliya. So an understanding level, Zain has actually has understood what he had done and how it all got lucky for him.

But the same understanding needs to be there when he feels challenged and unlucky like the present times, where someone else keeps claiming affection on his wife. So this time will he have insecure anger like before confession or secure anger to protect his wife.

We kind of have seen his reactions to Zubair and Suraiya earlier before and after confession. But now we have to see his reactions to Zubair, Suraiya and Rehan after consummation. That is another level. It gets murky and mixed...and hence all the more need for faith and calm...and not his anger or emotion.

@Bold, this is going to be interesting to see his reaction Suraiya and Zubair after consummation. I do believe in many ways that he is going to stand next to ALiyah the whole time with full faith upon her.
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Posted: 11 years ago
But again I repeat, just to see a growing Zain and Zain drama of maturity...the showwriters cannot sacrifice or compromise Aliya's character.
She needs to grow her antennae and tentacles to steer clear of Zubair...and later Suraiyya. That is ultimate thing to watch. And that is what would make the show interesting. the Tulsi show used to get TRPs because the woman was strong. DABH stands strong in ratings because husband and wife are together. So why cannot colors have its female leads be firebrands than just be good girls made tamashas.

Oh! what a woman can wish!!!

I enjoyed discussing with you (Littles12) and others too in between.
Lightens my mood and now I can watch with a different perspective for the next upcoming uglier episodes.

Wishing for SuperDetective Qualities to Aliya and SuperFaith to Zain... I take your leave.

Bye until next time :)
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Posted: 11 years ago
I haven't read the whole thing still, but we had some really good discussions here on the last 3-4 pages. CVs definitely need to read this. I am pretty sure we all want CVs to show Aliya being stronger and much more that you two (SD and littles 12) discussed about !!
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Posted: 11 years ago
I so wish that somebody from creatives could read the last few pages of this thread as it has amazing idean on what could be and how to build a story ahead...

Now, I agree when all say, why Aaliya's character has to be on a scanner always... Why, she has to go through that embarassment when her loyalty is questioned? Hasnt she done enough and more to prove that their is only one guy in her heart, mind and soul and thats her husband - Zain Abdullah.

I am abashed to see Suraiyya being a lady herself exploiting the other to such an extent, but thats how she has always been - the walima incident and the wardrobe malfunctioning thing was something less embarassing. In her quest to have Aaliya out of the house, she never cared about her family's reputation and now she doesnt care about her son's happiness... Fair enough...

But whats with Zubair? Aaliya was his best friend, she did all in her scope to get him out of jail, to help him ...and in this she was even separated from her husband... and this is how he return the favour? As someone mentioned, did he once stopped and think, that what would happen when Aaliya is thrown out of the house? How will she survive? How will her parents survive? And, what her mother, who has a habit as bad as him to interfere in lives of others and proclaim her son as some angel descended from heaven will react?


Now, Rehan doesnt knw Aaliya, he is unaware of Zain-Aaliya story, and their love for each other. All he has seen is one side of story that also wrongly projected and meant for Zain... so naturally if made a scapegoat he will fall in trap. But then what happened to him being the best lawyer in town, who can smell a lie from far? Y cant he see beneath the facade Zubair is putting up? If, he will fall for Suraiyya's trap so easily...that would be another cliche stuff.


Zain Abdullah, we have seen immense character growth as far as he is concerned. He never considered Aaliya as his wife in initial days, yet he stood up for her, protecting her when her reputation was at stake both in Valentine day party and at home. He gother back when she left house for his happiness, and yet again, saved her from being made a tamasha by his mom. He has been projected as very different from the other male leads of dalily soaps. He thinks, judges and then decides between right and wrong without being swayed by emotions. Thus, despite his love for Aaliya he denied helping Zubair initially until she made him see the logic, and in that too he seeked his father's permission. He judges a book not by its cover but content. And his journey with Aaliya has been such...he didnt fall in love with her pretty face or hot figure. He fell in love with the person, who made him see a different world...a world that he didnt knw exist. He fell in love with her pure soul, her heart which had immense love and care for all in her life, her bond with Allah and her faith in good deeds in life. He has known her like maybe no one else did. They have no secrets between them, she never lied to him... even when he didnt question her...

So only for the sake of accomodating a separation or maybe making Rehan a hero in Zain-Aaliya story, why should they show him doubting her... if he didnt buy it from his mom, y should he agree to a random stranger he hardly knws. Ok, so Rehan is this amazing honest man, and he trusts him...so what? He trusts Aaliya more and he has proclaimed it time and again. And I m afraid, since they have built the bond so strong, to shake his faith, CVs will resort to the most disgusting stuff - a trailer we saw yday... nobody picks a person to save from cockroach. If spoilers are to be trusted another is on way with Zubair trying to kiss Aaliya...like seriously? try to kiss her and Rehan see and walk away... now doesnt he see Aaliya's instant reaction to it... or there wasnt one. But all these doesnt make sense? Coz as far as Aaliya is concerned, she may as well kill Zubair only to try and do that...And whats with Aaliya going missing...the most disgusting thing to watch will be Zubair proclaiming she spent night with him...


And coming to that, Aaliya isnt a damsel in distress, right from standing upto obnoxious ways of Zain post marriage to making her own place in Barkat Villa, she has been this graceful, respectable lady. She is smart and receptive...if she can get suspicious abt Bawdi, abt Barkat and find clues there, y cant she sense Zubair's actions are completely out of context. Knowing that their relationship was once questioned, which sensible guy will act the way Zubair is doing... interfering between hubby-wife, getting card for her, telling Zain abt their Bhopal days and then picking her up...


Now, I dnt knw where they plan to go with this... if at all it goes age old K-drama ways, where a girl gives agni-pariksha to prove she is pure, I m so done with the show. If at all Zain questions her, I want Aaliya to leave and never turn back... to hell with ZaYa love story...
For sake of romance, I cant stand a husband doubting his wife and she going back to him...What wil be worth watching is ...Zain-Aaliya both standing up together for their respect (coz her respect is his too)... they should give it back to all those ppl who tried pkaying with their love and marriage and then leave the house. A slap on Suraiyya's face.


Hope CVs yet again prove that Beintehaa is different from league...lets see...

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