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Dharm se abhimaan Ya Abhimaan hi Dharm?

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Krrish

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Posted: 11 years ago

#11

@Sayani: I agree with what u have said about the ambiguity of Dharma. To each it's own and all can be right.😊

@All: Thank you for responding. 😊

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Krrish

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: -Archu-
Dharm se Abhiman means 'Earning respect/pride through your duties'If i am not mistaken...
If the meaning is like this my vote is for option 1..
and krish..please change the title of your poll,na..

Archu, you got the meaning right.

Unfortunately I can't edit my question title..

Thanks for voting.😊

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Krrish

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: SayaneeH.Lecter
PS: Not only karna I don't call Duryadhana or even Shakuni adharmi .. He believed Pandava's doesn't belong to Kuru blood therefore he is the only successor of Kuru dynasty n he did everything to secure his right .. n he was good as a king too .. so he did his duty as a ruler .. Shakuni the undisputed villain of epic .. think if anyone do the same to your family n country what Kurus did to Sakuni .. I guess anyone would do the same .. destroying them who destroyed my land .. We just need to sharpen our "empathizing power" n we will see the whole war was just an unavoidable political condition .. dharma-adharma is just a ages old meaningless notion

Yes I agree based on what u said on Duryodhan's point of view. It's true, Pandavas are not really Pandu's sons. But the bitterness he had was planted by shakuni.

Shakuni was not adharmi, because even in his wrongs he had his reasons: Bheeshm asked Gandhari for Dhritrashtra.. and Gandhar raj accepted that based on the assumption that Dhritrashtra was going to be the king of hastinapur. But the way Dhritrashtra was always bitter with Gandhari, how he made her unhappy on every single step of life. Shakuni as a brother wanted to ensure Gandhari lives as queen as long as she lives. He even mentioned that to Krishn in one of the episodes. He wanted to get rid of pandavas cz he wanted to make Duryodhan king. YES he did do adharm when he supported and didn't stop duryodhan from insulting draupadi, trying to kill bheem, and pandavas N kunti etc etc.. But since he had reasons even though wrong ones he wasn't entirely wrong.

So yes Dharm has wide range of thoughts rather than limited definition.

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Vrish

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Narayani senas simply had to do whatever Krishna told them. If he told them to fight on Duryodhan's side, they simply had to.

I believe Arjun probably wiped them out w/ his Brahmastra

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Neutral2

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: SayaneeH.Lecter
PS: Not only karna I don't call Duryadhana or even Shakuni adharmi .. He believed Pandava's doesn't belong to Kuru blood therefore he is the only successor of Kuru dynasty n he did everything to secure his right .. n he was good as a king too .. so he did his duty as a ruler .. Shakuni the undisputed villain of epic .. think if anyone do the same to your family n country what Kurus did to Sakuni .. I guess anyone would do the same .. destroying them who destroyed my land .. We just need to sharpen our "empathizing power" n we will see the whole war was just an unavoidable political condition .. dharma-adharma is just a ages old meaningless notion

Now I understand Duryodhan point of view. May be Duryodhan did not know that he along with 99 kaurav brothers too are not the lineage of King Santunu,

Lets see what is dharm and adharm.

If we negelect Bhim poisioning and Varnavrat House Firing in the name of Pandav are not true son of pandu then

What about Draupadi Vastraharan?

What about giving a dense forest Khandavprast to yudi and when they made a city out of it Indraprasth then they snatch all the kingdom by using magic dice (cheating in the dice game)?

What about not returing their kingdom after they completed vanvaas?

What about not giving even 5 villages to pandav? Was adopted son had no rights on the property at that time?

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582445

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: Neutral2

Now I understand Duryodhan point of view. May be Duryodhan did not know that he along with 99 kaurav brothers too are not the lineage of King Santunu,

Duryadhana was by every means the lawful successor of the throne .. Dhritarashtra n Pandu were result of LEGAL NIYOGA .. NIYOGA system has a clear rule what was followed in case of them but Pandavas were result of UNLAWFUL NIYOGA .. coz the LAW of NIYOGA was not followed there ..

As per Hindu law Niyoga cud be done from a man who is someway connected with the family or a SAGE .. Vyasa was both in that way .. n it has to be done with recommendation of Elders of the family .. in Pandavas case the law was completely ignored

Lets see what is dharm and adharm.

If we negelect Bhim poisioning and Varnavrat House Firing in the name of Pandav are not true son of pandu then
What about Draupadi Vastraharan?
What about giving a dense forest Khandavprast to yudi and when they made a city out of it Indraprasth then they snatch all the kingdom by using magic dice (cheating in the dice game)?
What about not returing their kingdom after they completed vanvaas?
What about not giving even 5 villages to pandav? Was adopted son had no rights on the property at that time?

1st of all there is no question of Dharma n Adharma .. it was complete politics .. there was many wrong doing on side of pandavas too what was simply excused with lame excuses as they were the winners .. like if pandavas marry one woman that's ok coz the blame is on poor Bholenath .. anybody heard him to say so? NO Shiva Purana has this story? NO ..

Bhim was poisoned by Shakuni .. in that young age kids form hatred to the people who bully them .. n if you read the epic you must agree Bhima often found enormous fun bullying his cousins .. Duryadhana even didn't understand its grave consequences .. it was like a kid's attempt of taking revenge from school bully went wrong .. Dury is the guilty side here but definitely not Adharmi

About vastraharan .. Dury was wrong there but so was yudhisthir by putting her wife in stake .. n other 4 pandavas were wrong to keep mum in his decision n watching their wife's humiliation .. Don't forget Masters don't take oath to protect his slave but Husband take oath to save his wife .. it was PADAVA's duty to save her but they didn't fulfill it .. keeping mum in time of insult n then shouting for avenging her doesn't really cover their flaws .. Dury is Adharmi here YES .. but pandavas were not the practitioner of Dharma here

About Dice game .. you are coming for gambling n expecting a fair deal isn't it ridiculous??!! go to any casino n u will see the truth

One who has lost his kingdom in GAMBLING!! asking to give it back .. no matter if it is 5 village .. go through Indian n world history .. kabhi dekha hai aisa hote hue .. no king will do so .. Think India can have eternal peace if we give Kashmir to pakistan .. They are not asking whole India but only kashmir .. if you are an Indian tell will you agree to give it to them??

Last Khandavprastha .. u see Adharma in Dury coz he gave a forest to Pandavas n don't see adharma in the way they burned the forest .. blocking the only way from where the inhabitants could escaped the fire .. thousands of animals along with whole naga tribe was killed there .. n plz don't give me the lame excuse of AGNIDEV wanted so .. Fire is a element of nature .. there is was NO God of it .. This was just added for sake of story n obvio religious whitewash ..

AS I said Dharma is matter of perspective .. I prefer non-religious, logical one .. n my POV don't support the vague notion of Good evil deviation in epic .. each n every character of MAhabharata is flawed .. has something good n bad .. situation made him do lots of things .. ANYWAY if you love to follow religious side keep in mind Duryadhana God of two tribes in India .. i don't think a true religious mind will hurt other's religious belief by insulting their God

Edited by SayaneeH.Lecter - 11 years ago

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pantherkaur

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Posted: 11 years ago

#17

My vote goes to option first ' Dharam se Abhimaan'.

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halfbloodprince

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Posted: 11 years ago

#18

Shakuni's family being killed..his revenge etc. is truly non-existent in the texts. Starbharata has hyped this imaginary revenge angle further..!

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riti4u

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Posted: 11 years ago

#19

I am too late for this... Somehow I felt for last option...Question is wrong... I think only because Abhimaan is wrong word.. if Garv is used... still I would say...it doesnt hold truth in many instances ..for example..in StarBharat itself yudi for Garv on his dharm did injustice to his wife and his brothers by staking them.

for me too dharma is subjective to perspectives and interpretations. What could be dharm for one can be interpreted by others as adharm.

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Krrish

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Posted: 11 years ago

#20

@ Riti: thanks for reply. 😊

I would say abhiman was right word, because there is very thin line between the garv n abhiman.

Yudhishir's act is considered garv then Karna's act is not abhiman..

Arjun's respond when Kontey and Karna were opposite each other and what he said Karna was his abhiman of his dhanur vidya.. it's interchangeable.

@ Shruti: It's not completely irrelevant though, but shakuni's feelings were shown, the injustice to Gandhari was shown, so they said in today's episode the reason of this unsatisfaction and greed lead to mahabharat was correct. But more over Amba's curse on Bheeshma was route cause to all this mess. So again Dharm for Bheeshma was Rajmata's order, but in doing so he did Adharm and led to consequences after that. Shakuni as a brother did dharma in ensuring Gandhari's happiness if not in her marriage in the Royal place as Queen. and in doing so several adharms.

@panther: thanks for voting.😊

Edited by RoyalLEO_Krrish - 11 years ago

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