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The last time I made a 'Looking for logic' post was when I was conflicted after watching an episode. It was during the week where Perv tells everyone that Ishita was making advances towards him and Raman also lets her leave and also publicly blurts out that they dont share any intimate relationship.
Yesterday was another such episode for me. The initial feeling I had, 5 mins after watching the project was "Baba re so much drama", and I said as much on the Rajma Idli post. And as it happened with the previous episode, I took a chill pill, waited for it to calm my guts and started thinking again.
Please bear with my post for its length and any grammatical errors.
Here goes:
In my opinion, there were 2 key pieces of melodrama in yesterday's episode. One minor and one major
1) The first one was where Shagun tries to influence Simmi. The initial reaction by Simmi was rational. But the final one, where she made a face and said "Go Hurt them", I think signifies a change in her grief cycle. Her initial denial turned into anger for Ishita, and then finally yesterday she asked Shagun to do something that she knew would hurt her brother too. Initially I thought the way that whole verbal exchange was melodramatic, and Simmi's face turned too 'vamp'ish. But I guess it was necessary to show that it has now become wrath?
2) We all know what the second one is. Was it necessary for Raman to ask Shagun to dance? was it necessary to put across his point in front of the whole family, including Ruhi? Was it necessary to humiliate Ishita temporarily, only to 'fix' everything later.
I don't know where to begin with this one, so please be patient with me:)
- Raman is a complex character. The script demands him to be. The CVs have never kept us under the illusion that he is a softie. He is not one for faint-hearted. He has always had a layered way of coming to any point. His one-liners, as funny as they are, in most cases are simple undeniable facts
- Raman has a penchant for drama. The CVs have shown us to this again and again. What is this sangeet and engagement ceremony, but a farce? The Shravan school drama? His way of getting Param exposed was also melodramatic. I am sure I am forgetting some other minor ones. And I am pretty sure this is not the last. The man's character will not change drastically.
- Raman has always 'used' Ishita to put Shagun down or to show the world that she is better. It all started with lying to Mr. Tandon about their relationship. Wasn't that disrespectful? Is it ok for him to say a white lie (including saying I Love you) to protect Ruhi's feeling, but worse when he does this to put Shagun down?
- Raman is fed up of Shagun and her continuous need to force herself into every aspect of his life. He clearly had enough with her yesterday, and he snapped. The first feeling I had when the epi finished was "I feel sad for Shagun, the way she was humiliated". But, she clearly knew how to push his buttons and get him to react. She did 'push' him too far this time.
- Ruhi --> Personally I thought this was the 'lightest' emotional drama for Ruhi. True it was visually a harsher one (her mother falling down etc.), but emotionally??? Not really. She has seen enough drama during the custody case. She has seen Ishita being berated by her daadi and Simmi. And the worst of it was when they made her witness and participate in the discussion about Ishita's fertility. That was the breaking point for me, where I stopped seeing Ruhi as a child. For me, personally, CVs turned her into an adult overnight with the 'banjh' discussion. The irony of that scene was that neither Raman nor Shagun were there.
Here's where I think the CVs are continuously redeeming themselves and making Raman a better man, and Ishita a more 'regular' person:
- Raman's apology: Nikki mentioned this in her post yesterday,and I replied with similar feelings to her. I will just put in what I said there:
His apology was
a) heart-felt
b) completely open. not hiding behing excuses, or barbs or even a different language
c) perfectly timed, BEFORE he could preach to Shagun. Because no amount of praise in front of a 3rd person would have mattered as much as the timing of the apology.
- I was cringing when I thought Ishita would walk out before Shagun fell down. And she wouldn't get to hear what Raman had to say. But mercifully that did not happen. Raman made sure Ishita heard every word. He's cried in front of his mother, he has internalised his shame at being unfair and insulting to Ishita. But he has never come out and say Sorry out loud, not until yesterday. When I compare yesterday with that sorry excuse of an apology (yes I am talking about the DTPH scene. the one that I have complained enough times about) I can see HOW much effort the CVs put in to show him take a step towards making his character 'softer'
- In his own way, Raman 'proposed' to Ishita yesterday. This is the FIRST time he's asked for her hand. The dance, the speech, the whole spectacle is an allegory! He wanted to declare to everyone present, INCLUDING Ishita that he wanted her on his journey. No one else. Not because she is the best mother for Ruhi, but because she is a gem of a woman.
"Simplicities are enormously complex. Consider the sentence "I love you"." - Richard O. Moore, Writing the Silences
- Ishita's reaction - I am bringing her into this discussion because I think her reaction and immediate action after the Pervert fiasco was 'irregular'. I am still not getting over the fact that it did not even take her 24 hours to forgive everyone including Raman. I was actually HAPPY that she stayed mad yesterday, and from what we saw in the precap, she isn't happy dancing with him either. Her disappointment, and the expression of her disappointment are what will make Ishita's character stronger I think.
Finally, I would like the CVs to show us some meaning dialogues between them (even actions would do, if not real words) to show that Ishita conveys her displeasure at being treated unfairly by Raman. And Raman redeeming himself by continuining to show respect towards her.
P.S: You are welcome to disagree with the logic I think I found, but dont think of it as an invitation to disagree with my attempt to get to some logic. There is a difference :)
The last time I made a 'Looking for logic' post was when I was conflicted after watching an episode. It was during the week where Perv tells everyone that Ishita was making advances towards him and Raman also lets her leave and also publicly blurts out that they dont share any intimate relationship.
Yesterday was another such episode for me. The initial feeling I had, 5 mins after watching the project was "Baba re so much drama", and I said as much on the Rajma Idli post. And as it happened with the previous episode, I took a chill pill, waited for it to calm my guts and started thinking again.
Please bear with my post for its length and any grammatical errors.
Here goes:
In my opinion, there were 2 key pieces of melodrama in yesterday's episode. One minor and one major
1) The first one was where Shagun tries to influence Simmi. The initial reaction by Simmi was rational. But the final one, where she made a face and said "Go Hurt them", I think signifies a change in her grief cycle. Her initial denial turned into anger for Ishita, and then finally yesterday she asked Shagun to do something that she knew would hurt her brother too. Initially I thought the way that whole verbal exchange was melodramatic, and Simmi's face turned too 'vamp'ish. But I guess it was necessary to show that it has now become wrath?
2) We all know what the second one is. Was it necessary for Raman to ask Shagun to dance? was it necessary to put across his point in front of the whole family, including Ruhi? Was it necessary to humiliate Ishita temporarily, only to 'fix' everything later.
I don't know where to begin with this one, so please be patient with me:)
- Raman is a complex character. The script demands him to be. The CVs have never kept us under the illusion that he is a softie. He is not one for faint-hearted. He has always had a layered way of coming to any point. His one-liners, as funny as they are, in most cases are simple undeniable facts
- Raman has a penchant for drama. The CVs have shown us to this again and again. What is this sangeet and engagement ceremony, but a farce? The Shravan school drama? His way of getting Param exposed was also melodramatic. I am sure I am forgetting some other minor ones. And I am pretty sure this is not the last. The man's character will not change drastically.
- Raman has always 'used' Ishita to put Shagun down or to show the world that she is better. It all started with lying to Mr. Tandon about their relationship. Wasn't that disrespectful? Is it ok for him to say a white lie (including saying I Love you) to protect Ruhi's feeling, but worse when he does this to put Shagun down?
- Raman is fed up of Shagun and her continuous need to force herself into every aspect of his life. He clearly had enough with her yesterday, and he snapped. The first feeling I had when the epi finished was "I feel sad for Shagun, the way she was humiliated". But, she clearly knew how to push his buttons and get him to react. She did 'push' him too far this time.
- Ruhi --> Personally I thought this was the 'lightest' emotional drama for Ruhi. True it was visually a harsher one (her mother falling down etc.), but emotionally??? Not really. She has seen enough drama during the custody case. She has seen Ishita being berated by her daadi and Simmi. And the worst of it was when they made her witness and participate in the discussion about Ishita's fertility. That was the breaking point for me, where I stopped seeing Ruhi as a child. For me, personally, CVs turned her into an adult overnight with the 'banjh' discussion. The irony of that scene was that neither Raman nor Shagun were there.
Here's where I think the CVs are continuously redeeming themselves and making Raman a better man, and Ishita a more 'regular' person:
- Raman's apology: Nikki mentioned this in her post yesterday,and I replied with similar feelings to her. I will just put in what I said there:
His apology was
a) heart-felt
b) completely open. not hiding behing excuses, or barbs or even a different language
c) perfectly timed, BEFORE he could preach to Shagun. Because no amount of praise in front of a 3rd person would have mattered as much as the timing of the apology.
- I was cringing when I thought Ishita would walk out before Shagun fell down. And she wouldn't get to hear what Raman had to say. But mercifully that did not happen. Raman made sure Ishita heard every word. He's cried in front of his mother, he has internalised his shame at being unfair and insulting to Ishita. But he has never come out and say Sorry out loud, not until yesterday. When I compare yesterday with that sorry excuse of an apology (yes I am talking about the DTPH scene. the one that I have complained enough times about) I can see HOW much effort the CVs put in to show him take a step towards making his character 'softer'
- In his own way, Raman 'proposed' to Ishita yesterday. This is the FIRST time he's asked for her hand. The dance, the speech, the whole spectacle is an allegory! He wanted to declare to everyone present, INCLUDING Ishita that he wanted her on his journey. No one else. Not because she is the best mother for Ruhi, but because she is a gem of a woman.
"Simplicities are enormously complex. Consider the sentence "I love you"." - Richard O. Moore, Writing the Silences
- Ishita's reaction - I am bringing her into this discussion because I think her reaction and immediate action after the Pervert fiasco was 'irregular'. I am still not getting over the fact that it did not even take her 24 hours to forgive everyone including Raman. I was actually HAPPY that she stayed mad yesterday, and from what we saw in the precap, she isn't happy dancing with him either. Her disappointment, and the expression of her disappointment are what will make Ishita's character stronger I think.
Finally, I would like the CVs to show us some meaning dialogues between them (even actions would do, if not real words) to show that Ishita conveys her displeasure at being treated unfairly by Raman. And Raman redeeming himself by continuining to show respect towards her.
P.S: You are welcome to disagree with the logic I think I found, but dont think of it as an invitation to disagree with my attempt to get to some logic. There is a difference :)
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