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Originally posted by: sweet_diksha

Hi Mansi...yest's episode was good... story moved very little but it gave us real picture where both their so-called love stands... Both love each other (?), still there r certain issues with their love and that is trust is major thing for Jo and ego is major thing for Jalal...

and yest while he accused her of being stubborn or having a kingsize ego, it showed , his own ego that is hurting due to her refusal to forgive him... the fact that remains here, Jalal doesn't understand love... else he would have understood , Jo has forgiven him long back... and instead of asking for forgiveness, he would have tried to win back her trust, and more than that he would have tried to reinstate her trust in him, that he will protect her trust in him in future not to hurt her anytime...but all he wants is just to hear the words from her, that she has forgiven him and that she is ready to move on with life... let her say those words, he will be happy thinking he has won her back... and then let there be another MU, Jalal will be back again in full hurt and insult Jo once again mode...

Sorry, but yes, now i seriously doubt, if he really loves her...if he let his ego come btw them, then he can never really love her....i feel, he is in fact in love with the idea that he loves her... that is something new for him.. everybody saying that he loves her, and he is just excited by that...the feeling he has for her is still his desire ...coz still she is out of his reach... and let's accept it... may be some one will say, who is to stop him if he decides to force her...then the reply is him being the shehenshah is the main thing that will put a questionmark on him coz if he forces himself on Jo , she will rather kill herself next moment, and that will be a big shame on Shehenshah... Jalal knows it and that's why he is still waiting for her to surrender willingly... and now after so many of his efforts to find her and seek her forgiveness, when he finds she doesn't say the words , he wants to hear, then he is hurt, coz his ego is hurt... and a joke, he blames her for showing attitude...

i know many ppl have issues with Jo's attitude... but infact that's the only thing , the poor girl has now with her, as her own...else she has lost everything even without her knowing it... let them say they do it for her better future, but Jo knows now that she has lost her maayka forever...let there be a point to choose, her parents will put Jalal before her... In Agra, let HB and Salima be her true supporters, but she knows, if comes to choice btw them, Jalal will choose MA and Ruku over HB and Salima, and so there is always a chance for him to get carried away by their instigation, which will lead to one more MU, more insults and more heartbreaks for Jo...

after that Dhakka track, Jalal left no chance to insult her, even he used Ben for that... what was her mistake? that she was not ready for him? that he can't read her letter himself, that he needed someone like MA to read Jo's letter , and that he trusts MA blindly? r all these Jo's faults? and that dhakka was not erased from his mind even after she drank poison of the woman, who was used to humiliate her all the time...and still he has it to say he loves her??? what kind of love is this? that this so called love of his will give him infinite rights to commit mistake and saying that he loves her he will just apologize and she should forgive immediately? Did he ever think her as a living human, with all natural feelings, a young woman with soft heart, a proud princess with certain dreams? or just coz he is Shehenshah, it gives him every right to crush everything in her? her dreams, her wishes, her pride, her attitude, and most her heart?

and if that dhakka is still there in his mind after damn 4 months , then is he right to expect she should forget everything just in few days? and after Ben track , she forgave him next moment, rather she forgave him even before he apologizes to her, so that means he has got every right to take her for granted and get ready to blame her and hurt her again , and apologize and seek her forgiveness next minute of being proved wrong?

i agree, Jo is wrong this time that she hide a very big thing from him even when he asked her many times... and Jalal not knowing Sujamal, it was a very big thing for him, but then Jo never knew that Jalal knows her meetings with sujamal, and he thinks differently abt it... no i m not defending her, she was definitely wrong... but not so wrong, that he used those fatal words for her characters... in that 10 min speech of him he killed her 10000 times, when he blamed her for saving him from Ben so that she could take revenge by cheating him... he nullified her sacrifice and with that her value in his life in just one sentence... it will now take time to recover...

i m not blaming Jalal for entire thing, but if Jo is to blame then Jalal too shares the place with her... only difference btw them is Jalal cut her from him in one second, but even after all these things, after so many tortures from him, Jo never did that... except for getting physically close to him, she did everything a wife should do... she took care of all relationships in her life, even though she got hatred from some of them without any reason...

and still , this time she has forgiven him... else, when she saw him first time in ashram, she knew it was him, she knew he was hurt, and neither him nor anybody knew her there...and had she not cared for him, what was to stop her from leaving the ashram in the night itself without any trace?

i think, even though she has forgiven him , she is still holding up her so called attitude, her pride, just for him to say he won't doubt her in future... coz i don't remember him saying those words to her since they met... she only needs his trust to show him her love... she fears that he might again break her heart , let there be another MU btw them, coz she is no more sure, he trusts her... and so she is showing that false attitude of hers... and naturally, if he leaves her without saying that he will trust her, then may be she won't be able to trust him back... i feel she fears that he has that power over her to hurt her everytime and still seek her forgiveness , coz she knows her love for him is her biggest weakness, that gives him that power to hurt her... and so she keeps holding back, keeps hurting him and same time hurting herself too...

she may go back with him, coz her parents r always there to blackmail her, but if she goes just like that, Jalal will lose the real Jo he has come to love (or so he thinks)... the Jo that will go with him , might be a broken, Jo who has lost her own self esteem , her confidence, her ability to trust... will he ever want that?

Originally posted by: sweet_diksha

Hi Mansi...yest's episode was good... story moved very little but it gave us real picture where both their so-called love stands... Both love each other (?), still there r certain issues with their love and that is trust is major thing for Jo and ego is major thing for Jalal...

and yest while he accused her of being stubborn or having a kingsize ego, it showed , his own ego that is hurting due to her refusal to forgive him... the fact that remains here, Jalal doesn't understand love... else he would have understood , Jo has forgiven him long back... and instead of asking for forgiveness, he would have tried to win back her trust, and more than that he would have tried to reinstate her trust in him, that he will protect her trust in him in future not to hurt her anytime...but all he wants is just to hear the words from her, that she has forgiven him and that she is ready to move on with life... let her say those words, he will be happy thinking he has won her back... and then let there be another MU, Jalal will be back again in full hurt and insult Jo once again mode...

Sorry, but yes, now i seriously doubt, if he really loves her...if he let his ego come btw them, then he can never really love her....i feel, he is in fact in love with the idea that he loves her... that is something new for him.. everybody saying that he loves her, and he is just excited by that...the feeling he has for her is still his desire ...coz still she is out of his reach... and let's accept it... may be some one will say, who is to stop him if he decides to force her...then the reply is him being the shehenshah is the main thing that will put a questionmark on him coz if he forces himself on Jo , she will rather kill herself next moment, and that will be a big shame on Shehenshah... Jalal knows it and that's why he is still waiting for her to surrender willingly... and now after so many of his efforts to find her and seek her forgiveness, when he finds she doesn't say the words , he wants to hear, then he is hurt, coz his ego is hurt... and a joke, he blames her for showing attitude...

i know many ppl have issues with Jo's attitude... but infact that's the only thing , the poor girl has now with her, as her own...else she has lost everything even without her knowing it... let them say they do it for her better future, but Jo knows now that she has lost her maayka forever...let there be a point to choose, her parents will put Jalal before her... In Agra, let HB and Salima be her true supporters, but she knows, if comes to choice btw them, Jalal will choose MA and Ruku over HB and Salima, and so there is always a chance for him to get carried away by their instigation, which will lead to one more MU, more insults and more heartbreaks for Jo...

after that Dhakka track, Jalal left no chance to insult her, even he used Ben for that... what was her mistake? that she was not ready for him? that he can't read her letter himself, that he needed someone like MA to read Jo's letter , and that he trusts MA blindly? r all these Jo's faults? and that dhakka was not erased from his mind even after she drank poison of the woman, who was used to humiliate her all the time...and still he has it to say he loves her??? what kind of love is this? that this so called love of his will give him infinite rights to commit mistake and saying that he loves her he will just apologize and she should forgive immediately? Did he ever think her as a living human, with all natural feelings, a young woman with soft heart, a proud princess with certain dreams? or just coz he is Shehenshah, it gives him every right to crush everything in her? her dreams, her wishes, her pride, her attitude, and most her heart?

and if that dhakka is still there in his mind after damn 4 months , then is he right to expect she should forget everything just in few days? and after Ben track , she forgave him next moment, rather she forgave him even before he apologizes to her, so that means he has got every right to take her for granted and get ready to blame her and hurt her again , and apologize and seek her forgiveness next minute of being proved wrong?

i agree, Jo is wrong this time that she hide a very big thing from him even when he asked her many times... and Jalal not knowing Sujamal, it was a very big thing for him, but then Jo never knew that Jalal knows her meetings with sujamal, and he thinks differently abt it... no i m not defending her, she was definitely wrong... but not so wrong, that he used those fatal words for her characters... in that 10 min speech of him he killed her 10000 times, when he blamed her for saving him from Ben so that she could take revenge by cheating him... he nullified her sacrifice and with that her value in his life in just one sentence... it will now take time to recover...

i m not blaming Jalal for entire thing, but if Jo is to blame then Jalal too shares the place with her... only difference btw them is Jalal cut her from him in one second, but even after all these things, after so many tortures from him, Jo never did that... except for getting physically close to him, she did everything a wife should do... she took care of all relationships in her life, even though she got hatred from some of them without any reason...

and still , this time she has forgiven him... else, when she saw him first time in ashram, she knew it was him, she knew he was hurt, and neither him nor anybody knew her there...and had she not cared for him, what was to stop her from leaving the ashram in the night itself without any trace?

i think, even though she has forgiven him , she is still holding up her so called attitude, her pride, just for him to say he won't doubt her in future... coz i don't remember him saying those words to her since they met... she only needs his trust to show him her love... she fears that he might again break her heart , let there be another MU btw them, coz she is no more sure, he trusts her... and so she is showing that false attitude of hers... and naturally, if he leaves her without saying that he will trust her, then may be she won't be able to trust him back... i feel she fears that he has that power over her to hurt her everytime and still seek her forgiveness , coz she knows her love for him is her biggest weakness, that gives him that power to hurt her... and so she keeps holding back, keeps hurting him and same time hurting herself too...

she may go back with him, coz her parents r always there to blackmail her, but if she goes just like that, Jalal will lose the real Jo he has come to love (or so he thinks)... the Jo that will go with him , might be a broken, Jo who has lost her own self esteem , her confidence, her ability to trust... will he ever want that?

Originally posted by: Cleo12345

Hi Diksha, you are certainly one of the best lawyers on Jodha's defense team...You understand her mind and explain the reasons behind her actions very well. Her POVs are written very effectively and with a lot of sincerity. Like most people, I too don't enjoy reading posts by fanatic supporters of either Jodha or Jalal who bash the other character to prove their point...even if they put across some valid points, I lose interst as soon as I read something mean or childish written for the other character and thus the valid point becomes a waste of an effort by the writer as far as I am concerned. How can we love one and not the other? I understand that it is impossible not to have a slight bias...being absolutely neutral is a very difficult task with all the MUings going on between the couple...I have been on the forum long enough to be familiar with some writers and know in advance If I will be reading Jodha's or Jalal's POV in the post... Personally I enjoy reading both...but painting one as God and other as a monster immediately tells me that i will not get much out of this post and thus I move on to the next one...Yours posts are differnet...You do such a good job of defending Jodha...but I never see you get mean towards Jalal...you highlight his mistakes in the most dignified and mature manner...so for readers like me who want to see an example healthy criticism...should read your posts. Please keep writing. Awesome 👏.

Cleo