The banter is there but it goes nowhere!

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Friends, I am not sure how many of you really liked the episode yesterday. I had high expectations of at least some developing closeness, some bridging of the distance, between Jodha and Jalal, in the privacy of their bedroom and the overall conducive situation at Amer. But I was a bit disappointed that the degree of expectation I had of some sort of reconciliation between the two protagonists was not yet there.

Don't mistake me ... I am not saying I didn't like the episode. It was a reasonably good episode overall. But while there was banter between Jodha and Jalal, and it wasn't acrimonious banter - yet the banter still showed that while Jalal was trying to tease Jodha into forgiving him, Jodha was ready only to show care and concern but not really close the gap between them with actual forgiveness ( she was still seen on her high horse most of the time, acting like she was not quite ready to forgive him).

There were three scenes and a precap that covered their encounters ...

a. Early on in the episode, she was preparing her "magic lep" for his wounds. She at first tries to get a daasi to apply it to his wounds. When he refuses twice to take anyone else's help, she is forced to apply the lep herself, to which he acquiesces. But when he uses the physical closeness between them to ask her again to forgive him, she says that her hurts are too deep yet to forgive. Yet he finds that she shows a lot of care ("fikr") for him, cares for his wounds, helps him when he is swaying to get steady and to lie down. That dichotomy of hers (i.e. feeling some care and concern for him along with also being unable yet to forgive) perplexes him and keeps their relationship standing at the same level without further resolution of the distance between them.

b. A little later in the episode we had a "snake in the bed" situation ...when she leant over his face keeping her face barely two inches from his. Not understanding what all this is about, he no doubt imagines all kinds of interpretations of her actions, but finds at the end that she removes a dangerous snake from his pillow-side. Again there is this superficial banter. He says to her "Do snakes just roam at will at Amer? And you seem to have a particular addiction to these "zehreele" creatures? First you have the Benazir snake and now this? Why do you go to the extent of keeping snakes away from me?" No doubt he wants to hear that she cares? But she replies ""Just beware of the naag and the naagin at Amer". And with a huff she drops the purdah between them as they share the bed and tries to sleep. He just says then to her "Well, the snake at least seemed happy to share my bed!" to which she merely turns towards him and looks archly!

c. In yet another encounter between them, there is a swordfight scene ... the script of the episode runs exactly similar to the movie "Jodha Akbar". He wakes up in the morning to find her not in bed. He goes to the window to see her practising her swordfighting with some sipahis, with a large audience of daasis and Shehnaaz spurring her on. Her swordfighting moves are angry and vicious as if she's trying to work out her angst.

He then decides that she is the medicine he needs today, for her smile as she enjoys the thrust and parry of the swords bewitches him. It's a smile he hasn't seen for a long while and he blames himself for that! Despite that huge wound on his shoulder he too dresses for some swordmanship practice and appears before her.

Her protestations that he should be in bed are dismissed by him. She then tells him through her pent up anger and gritted teeth that she is going to show no mercy even if he's wounded. He says he is game ... and so a really fierce encounter of swordmanship then takes place. So vicious is she that he has to ask her "What is this really? You are fighting me like a real dushman?" The onlooker daasis further say "Oh my God, he can barely avoid her attacks, she is on the offensive today." Jodha replies them saying "He should have had the sense not to step onto the ground here then!"

They fight on as Jodha vents her fury on him and he just checks and parries all her moves, keeping himself safe. Suddenly, as it were, Bharmal and Mainavati arrive on the terrace to see this spectacle. Bharmal immediately becomes very concerned with Jodha's acrimonious style of swordsmanship against the heavily wounded Jalal, and reacts like a fearful mansabdhar cautious about his Shahenshah's opinion of his daughter's behaviour. But Mainavati tells him to stay away from this "fight" as it seems to be purely between pati and patni, and if they have started this they also know how to end it. She says they can trust Jodha not to really hurt the Shahenshah. Mainavati says "He is working out his "paschathaap" and she is working out all her "anger" and a little bit of such games will not hurt him."

True enough at one stage of the swordfight, Jalal says to Jodha "What? Are you waiting to finish me off? Why don't you kill me and I'll go without even an "uff'?" but she replies "I do not play to kill!"

Eventually Jalal catches sight of Jodha's parents and the onlookers now looking like they are watching a do-or-die match where the wife wants to finish off the husband thoroughly. He tells her, "Do you want your parents and these people to all see how you want to eliminate me with this viciousness?" Just then Jodha comes to her senses and quits that mental zone of fury and fierceness that she had been absorbed by so far. She looks around at her parents and others' aghast expressions and realises she has been carrying this swordfight into a real fight instead of it being just a practice round.

Jalal, catching her off guard for a second, then grips her neck like a vice with his free hand and holds the sword to her neck and says she is defeated. "Cheater, cheater, cheater" she says in disgust, but he just says to her "All is fair in love and war. I forgive your loss. Now before you go off in a huff, thank me for sparing your life!" She walks off angrily with the awestruck Shehnaaz!

This was the sum and substance of their interactions and their banter. Although Jodha was slightly better than she was in the episode yesterday (when she seemed spaced out and numbed) the banter and exchanges in this Thursday episode gave me no sense of real progress in her towards Jalal. She was still in the throes of working out her anger with fierce words or fierce actions.

d. Meanwhile the precap seemed to be a culmination again of the same anger continuing. Jalal is seen telling Jodha "I wanted to take you back to Agra for I have made a promise to my mother to bring you back. But if you still are adamant, well then ... Khuda Hafeez". He clearly needs to get back to his kingdom, now that he is slightly better in health, and he knows his mother and family must be waiting anxiously. I suspect Jodha is still recalcitrant and so he may be forced to go back without her?

So far again it looks like the serial is still following on the lines of the movie. In the movie too, Jodha refuses to go with Jalal, and he leaves her behind ... but later when he has abolished the yaatri tax and impresses her with his sensitivity towards Rajvanshis she relents and goes and joins him.

I don't know if this serial will do the same thing, or whether there is a twist now in the tale and Jodha decides to go with Jalal. In the precap she is seen with tears in her eyes at the mention of Hamida in distress. Could she say, perhaps, that she will go back but only for Hamida's sake? That also seems possible!

(I am still keeping in mind the possibility that Ekta and her Creatives are planning the suhaag raath sometime soon, maybe in the next week or two. If I factor that in, then I think Jodha will travel back with Jalal and there may be a reconciliation on the way back or upon reaching Agra?)

So much then for all that happened between Jodha and Jalal yesterday. It was like three steps forward, two steps back for me ... so while I am not ecstatically happy with the episode, I am not too put out either. I'll wait and see what happens on Friday.

Meanwhile at Agra's paagalkhhana ...

At Agra we saw three scenes that reminded us that the paagalkhana inmates are still madly active.

a. Maham was first seen in the surang, where she picked up a small baby (almost as small as a newborn infant) and started talking to it - ostensibly to convey a message of warning to the baby's owner whom we were not shown. Maham said "Have you eaten anything today? You know I'll never spare you till you tell me what I want to know?" And then she showed the baby her 64 teeth.

b. A little later in the episode, Maham and Salima were seen praying at a dargah for the safety of Jalal and Jodha. As Salima went back home to Rahim, Hamida decided to linger back a bit ... when she suddenly saw Maham covering herself in a shawl and hurrying away through the crowds. Hamida was intrigued by this behaviour, and soon she too wrapped herself in her own shawl and started following Maham. So are we nearing the part of the story where Maham's surang secret is going to be exposed?

Since Maham was searching Hamida's room for the farman, it all seems to sit neatly. Maham's secret somehow involves some secret of Hamida's too, I suspect!

c. The last of the paagalkhana scenes showed Ruq first talking to an absent Jalal about a boat ride. Finding that she was daydreaming she then decided to go and talk to Salima about her woes. But Salima was on a sentimental wavelength talking hopefully about how Jalal will soon bring Jodha home. That topic did not suit Ruq and so she beat a hasty retreat.

Such is the state of affairs at the paagalkhana, even as Jodha and Jalal are still nowhere near complete truce.

My comments on the episode:

As I have already said, folks, to me the episode was a bit lacklustre. It was not one of the episodes you can fault, but there was absence of movement in the story and a feel of marching in the same place.

The precap does give the sanket of some progress, even if it creates a fear that Jalal may go to Agra leaving Jodha behind. I do not want to torture myself thinking of that so I will wait in suspended animation till I see today's episode.

Something tells me though that Jodha will go with Jalal and will not stay back. There are four or five reasons I can think of as to why she may decide this way:

1. She already had tears in her eyes when he mentioned that he was leaving for he did not want to distress Hamida further. Whether Jodha's tears were for Hamida or for Jalal himself we do not know. But even if they are for Hamida, I guess this sentimentality from Jodha at the thought of him going back bodes well, if it will make her want to go with him.

2. I think although Jodha does not seem ready yet to drop her anger and her hurt caused by his behaviour, she is also not ready to risk another attack on Jalal when he is in this barely recovered condition. So my hunch is that Jodha will want to accompany him back to Agra rather than sit and worry in Amer for his safety en route.

3. The Ekta Creatives have indicated a consummation "like never seen before in TV serials" is likely to take place by end April/beginning of May. If these two protagonists are in different cities, I don't see that happening. My guess therefore is that they will both go back to Agra and either there may be a reconciliation on the way or slowly at Agra.

4. Shehnaaz's role will begin only in Agra. So no point of keeping Shehnaaz here in Amer and Jodha staying back or that part of the story about Shehnaaz will stagnate.
5. It is the bad kismet of us viewers that we will never get even one straight "madness-free week" at Amer. Just when we were sighing with satisfaction that Jalal has come to Amer, the very next episode Jalal wants to take us all back to the paagalkhana. No use blaming the Creatives or the actors. It is our kismet to have to live in the paagalkhana, and even the coconuts I break at the Ganpati temple are not helping rewrite our kismet!
Regarding why Jodha continues to feel angry with Jalal, the only reason I can think of for such a protracted nursing of her hurts is that the Creatives are not sure how to fill time between now and the planned suhaag raath. The story may come to a sudden halt if Jodha's feelings were to change all of a sudden. So in the interest of keeping the story alive, the hurt inside Jodha is being kept alive.

So my hunch again is that we will be shown this double-sided Jodha at least till one day before the suhaag raath. Then there will be sudden meltdown and she will "give inn to Jalal's persistence".

Till last week I was also interested in what is happening on the Maham-farman-Hamida front, but in the absence of progress on the Jodha-Jalal front, my motivation to stay interested on the Maham front is flagging. If something were happening simultaneously on the Jodha-Jalal front, if real progress was being made here, I would be more gung-ho and eager to know what else is happening in the story. But as of today my excitement level is a bit low, and so I don't seem to care for Maham and the baby and Maham's 64 teeth and Hamida in a shawl, etc etc.

I need a pick-me-up guys, because today I am a bit of an unhappy bunny. Does anyone have any other positives to give me on yesterday's episode that can put me back in high spirits? Abhay, Diksha, Maddy, Cleo, Jyoti, Ela, Ayushi ... everybody. Give me some miracle cure for this low morale.

Do you think breaking another 11 coconuts for Ganpati will help? Even Ganpati will at this rate get fed up of me. Yesterday I broke 11 coconuts for him to bring Jalal to Amer. Today I am ready to break 11 more coconuts to send Jodha with Jalal back to Agra. What will Ganpati think of me? He is going to ask me "Am I your God ... or your travel agent?

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Posted: 11 years ago
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I focussed only on Jalal in today's episode. You are right there is no Akdha chemistry except that eye lock. I loved it. But Rajat's expressions and dialogues were so awesome, it made it up for BITTER Jodha. I don't understand so much anger and stubbornness from her, at this stage in the show. So it failed to create that magic.
I think Jodha will go with Jalal... regardless whichever way she puts it. Eventually she has to forgive him and love him...for god sake this is a Love story..so i am hopeful.
Till she recovers, i am more interested in Agra, since even he stays back in Amer i don't want any nokjhoks between this angry Jodha and romantic Jalal.

To your point on SR , I think when they meant last week of May, I think it could be when they will shoot. They always shoot at least 2 weeks of episodes before. I am guessing they might shoot the scene this week and telecast 2nd week of May.
Gives enough time for Jodha to love Jalal.
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Lovely Analysis Mansi...

Yes right now I think we are at the mercies of CV's. I liked today's episode. It was okay for Jodha to vent out. But at the same time she needs to open up and talk. Jalal is trying to..

Right now Jalal's choice of going back to Agra is Good. If only cvs be kind enough and let them open up and talk. after that Jodha can decide whether she needs more time.

If given a choice I would have loved Jodha to go back with Jalal. In movie though all this happened after Adams death and Mamanga was taking a revenge. Here it is slightly different. So let's keep our fingers crossed..
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mansi, episode was lackluster for me...i found everything forced be it lep scene,snake scene or sword fighting...the thing which irritated me the most was jalal who was adamant in manofying jodha within a span of few hours started seeing jodha's hurt as her ego...he said to her he has left his ego but she hasn't...but i think its his ego in precap which made him angry that here i am saying sorry to her and look at her đŸ„±
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Originally posted by: luvbarun4ever

I focussed only on Jalal in today's episode. You are right there is no Akdha chemistry except that eye lock. I loved it. But Rajat's expressions and dialogues were so awesome, it made it up for BITTER Jodha. I don't understand so much anger and stubbornness from her, at this stage in the show. So it failed to create that magic.

I think Jodha will go with Jalal... regardless whichever way she puts it. Eventually she has to forgive him and love him...for god sake this is a Love story..so i am hopeful.
Till she recovers, i am more interested in Agra, since even he stays back in Amer i don't want any nokjhoks between this angry Jodha and romantic Jalal.

To your point on SR , I think when they meant last week of May, I think it could be when they will shoot. They always shoot at least 2 weeks of episodes before. I am guessing they might shoot the scene this week and telecast 2nd week of May.
Gives enough time for Jodha to love Jalal.



Regarding SR I too feel it might be 2nd or 3rd week of May. May be they will wind up Shehanaz track and then..If Jalal goes alone to Agra, I can see Ruks rejoicing...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: luvbarun4ever

I focussed only on Jalal in today's episode. You are right there is no Akdha chemistry except that eye lock. I loved it. But Rajat's expressions and dialogues were so awesome, it made it up for BITTER Jodha. I don't understand so much anger and stubbornness from her, at this stage in the show. So it failed to create that magic.

I think Jodha will go with Jalal... regardless whichever way she puts it. Eventually she has to forgive him and love him...for god sake this is a Love story..so i am hopeful.
Till she recovers, i am more interested in Agra, since even he stays back in Amer i don't want any nokjhoks between this angry Jodha and romantic Jalal.

To your point on SR , I think when they meant last week of May, I think it could be when they will shoot. They always shoot at least 2 weeks of episodes before. I am guessing they might shoot the scene this week and telecast 2nd week of May.
Gives enough time for Jodha to love Jalal.

No they said explicity that SR will be end April/beginning of May.
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Lovely Analysis Mansi...

Yes right now I think we are at the mercies of CV's. I liked today's episode. It was okay for Jodha to vent out. But at the same time she needs to open up and talk. Jalal is trying to..

Right now Jalal's choice of going back to Agra is Good. If only cvs be kind enough and let them open up and talk. after that Jodha can decide whether she needs more time.

If given a choice I would have loved Jodha to go back with Jalal. In movie though all this happened after Adams death and Mamanga was taking a revenge. Here it is slightly different. So let's keep our fingers crossed..

I think at least to take Shehnaaz to Agra this Jodha will go with Jalal. Otherwise there is no Shehnaaz value if she is going to be kept in Amer!
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mansi, episode was lackluster for me...i found everything forced be it lep scene,snake scene or sword fighting...the thing which irritated me the most was jalal who was adamant in manofying jodha within a span of few hours started seeing jodha's hurt as her ego...he said to her he has left his ego but she hasn't...but i think its his ego in precap which made him angry that here i am saying sorry to her and look at her đŸ„±

Now I don't care who is on an ego trip and who isn't. I want to see the story move!
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Hi Mansi,
I will read and comment on your post later. But your post has come just as I have penned down my thoughts. So I'm first posting you my thoughts. Please share your views on them. 😊

Here is the link:


Thanks Mansi, I know you won't mind my appropriating your thread 😉

I am also pasting the post here, for those who are interested:

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This post is about looking ahead and not at the past, though the future may have its roots in the past. From Gangaur 1 to Gangaur 2, Jalal and Jodha have completed a circle. How far have they come and what seems to be the road they will take now?


Even a couple of days back, I had high hopes (along with many friends here) that Gangaur 2 will bring in the second phase of love, so to speak, in JJ's life. But Gangaur has come and gone (?) And seemingly on the face of it, nothing has changed. There are no flowers blooming, no birds singing, no rainbow in the sky, no cherubs playing on their harps. If at all anything has happened, it seems to be the return of the early days of marriage. Jodha is seen slipping into a quicksand of anger, resentment, hurt, pain, bitterness and that fearsome word, ghrina. Jalal is seemingly in love but also getting intent on breaking Jodha's guroor.

Where has all the love gone? Is one dhakka by Jodha, one night of accusations by Jalal enough to wreck a relationship in which both partners claim to love each other so much that they can die for each other and snatch the other from the jaws of death?

True, the incidents are devastating for lesser mortals. But JJ are not lesser mortals. They are legendary lovers. Still remembered after 4 centuries. Can they react in the same fashion as us, who have no hopes of ever being recalled for our love stories by anyone other than our very close ones? Why are we imposing our reactions, our expectations, our disappointments on them? Surely, if they were so similar to us, they would end up as another dead royal couple, gathering dust in their tombs?

At the moment, Jodha is burning up with more and more anger every time she looks at Jalal. It was apparent in the way she fought with him in the sword fight scene. The intensity of anger is much more than it was in Sword Fight 1. The passion is much less. The angrier she gets, the more she hurts the ego of Jalal, who is increasingly believing that her ego is preventing her from forgiving him and moving on. He clearly tells her yesterday that he has buried his ego and come for her; then why can't she bury her ego and go back with him? Why indeed?

Why is Jodha getting angrier instead of allowing herself to be wooed and healed? She is so hurt in love that she has built a protective barrier around herself so that she cannot be hurt again. Mansi calls this the empty shell of ego. Try as he might, Jalal cannot pierce this barrier and reach her heart. Like last year, she herself has to break down this barrier and seek him. How can she do this? Will the magic word "trust" be enough to convince her? Not really. In her shell, words have no meaning. Only actions do. She was never and she will never be one to be swayed by words. If she has to again say "Hum aap se ghrina nahin karte, hum aap par vishwas karte hain aur aap hum par", she needs concrete proof that her husband has indeed changed for the better.

Last year, it was easier for Jalal because they were both in Agra and he could, through his actions, convince her of his trust in her. This year, it's harder. He cannot do much in Amer. She won't come to Agra. What is he going to do? He cannot linger on in Amer when his throne is being attacked from all sides by the very people he had trusted it to. He cannot let the sultanat crumble and his people orphaned because he has to win back his love. Today or tomorrow, he has to return.

What about Jodha? She is in no frame of mind to return with him and give him another chance. Some say she should be given time just like Jalal took his time to get over the dhakka. Just because he made a mistake by holding onto his grudge, should Jodha repeat that mistake? And truly speaking, they were hardly in love at that time. It was more a case of physical attraction. Some say she had to drink poison to convince him of her loyalty and love. So does that mean she has to push him to death to believe in his trust and love? Is this what love is at the end of the day? A tit-for-tat taraazu in which both must continually balance their grudges, their mistakes, their mutual hurt?

Jodha has a case for seeking respect for her identity and trust from her husband. I strongly support her cause and her desire to fight for it. But she has to be clear about what she is fighting. She is not fighting Jalal but his lapses of judgement, his misplaced trust in the wrong people, his egoistic mood swings. She has to differentiate the man from his actions. She has to condemn his actions and force him to change them. But she should not condemn the man himself for those actions when he is ready to change. And ready to change Jalal is at the moment because he is so scared of losing her. Herein lies the crux. Jodha is not able to see that this is perhaps her best chance ever to change her husband because she is so caught up in her own perception of reality.

Some may well ask what proof is there that he will change? That he has said all this and more earlier too and then either forgotten his words himself or been brainwashed by others. Does love need proof? Friendship may need proof, marriage may need proof, but love? Love is implicit faith at the soul level. You just believe in your beloved because he/she is your beloved and you know that you can believe in him/her. Period. You don't need proof. You don't ask questions. You expect nothing in return. You just love and you go on giving chance after chance to your beloved because you cannot envisage any future without them.

I am not saying these words only for Jodha but Jalal too. If they have to end the stalemate and move ahead, they have to simply love the other and do nothing else. They simply need to know in their own heart that they can believe the other because they love that person. No questions asked, no long discussions, no proof sought. No seeking or expecting forgiveness. No seeking or expecting love/faith/trust in return. Jodha must lead herself to believe that she can go back to Jalal and she will have nothing to fear again. Jalal must believe that he doesn't need to "break her guroor", that she will return to him one day, never to leave again.

The way this process of discovering implicit faith in their beloved is shown in the serial is anyone's guess. But our concern should not be how it is portrayed on screen but that they achieve it. And they must have achieved it at some point in time because that is what they are remembered for today.

This then is the story of their journey ahead. A journey of discovering and breaking all barriers within themselves against love and implicit faith. A journey of merging their identities into one. A journey of allowing their souls to become one.

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This post is dedicated to Maddy whose questions keep provoking me to think in different directions. 😊
Edited by RadhikaS0 - 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: skanda12

Now I don't care who is on an ego trip and who isn't. I want to see the story move!



Exactly...the story is moving in circle may be that is why the episode seemed lackluster.
Edited by 111192 - 11 years ago

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