Darpok ! - Page 12

Originally posted by: history_geek

Sandhya,

I am NOT defending anyone here. I made it clear in the EARLIER reply also.!.

But, if you want me to answer, then this situation is a culmination of acts of all 3 -> Jodha-Jalal-Sujamal. I have said this in my reply earlier in blue also.!.

I can search a logic to an extent BUT not a MAJOR one in this illogical situation.🥱
My replies in red below.

But after seeing that look from Jalal as he saw Suja and Jo in Jo's hojra together, and knowing that he has bound Jo with the vachan, how does he propose Jo to defend herself? So, do we expect Sujamal to FIRST tell Jodha the way out, that, what should she do now, when Jalal is standing right in front of him.?. In such situations, when events unfold in such a fast manner all of sudden, DO WE expect any mortal being to first react and tell Jodha that now i free you of that Vachan and tell the truth.?🥱.Do we. And, Had he unshackled Jodha from that Vachan than the forum would NOT have been making posts Hailing Jalal for his wonderful ACT. 😆. What do we want.?.😆



It is obvious that Jalal will question Jo on Suja...right? After putting his sister in a tight spot..he chooses to flee the spot? What kind of bravery is that? Seems you are after him now.
Didn't i say, CV's.?. If Sujamal did not flee then how will Jalal show his horse-riding hunars.?.😉 And, how will the forum praise Jalal😉 if Sujamal does not runs away, and Jalal shows some martial arts.?.😉. If Sujamal does not runs away, then how will he take that arrow.?.😉 And, how will the MU come to an end.!.

This is a deliberate act of CV's.🥱 Just analyze from start and see how this track has been built up. No one is SINGLY responsible. You can see my points in blue above.


I ask SAME question. Is it an act of Cowardice to enter into Harem.?. Entire Hindustan knows, the meaning of entering into Harem.?. Will a coward person ever try doing this..?.
It seems we both are following different definitions of bravery.

You are totally CHANGING the topic. 😉
I made it clear before also, i am NOT playing any blame-game here.

BUT, If you want we can go on.😆

But, NO.. He was NOT a coward..I maintain my stand .!!.

Originally posted by: history_geek

If you want me to answer then, i need to go into history. A bit. :)

Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

I am surely not after him. 😲 If you remember the post made by Cleo before this track, I was one of the solid defenders of Suja.😊

Ofcourse he could not have freed her if the vachan with Jalal in front of him. But how could he run away leaving his sister in such a tight spot? Only to showcase Jalal's martial arts and horse-riding?😲. Couldn't we see all that when Jalal runs after Jo to Mathura or where-ever.

Sujamal is now doing to Jodha what Bharmal did to her earlier...during her wedding to Jalal and during Shivaani fiasco. (It is another thing that he will take the arrow and solve things.but he did not know that when he fled) Having realised that Jo's position is precarious, shouldn't he have faced Jalal himself and assured his sister's safety?

Sujamal's characterisation has been let down so badly.😕

He was brave enough when he entered the harem for a noble cause...but not the way he left it.

Originally posted by: sweetystubborn

Exactly ! That's why my title of 'darpok' , his vachan does have purpose before and he has valid reasons to draw her sister to lie otherwise not even he himself but his sister coukd be also in risk of many troubles , everything makes sense until the epi when he rushed twice to Jodhaa's room even since she barely saved his skin from Jalal's sword for first time , soldiers were roaming everywhere in Palace like monkeys over the trees of Amazonia's jungle , he is clever enough to know that ot's really risky to go to her chamber as it's may strongly shuffle her in the mess too but still he went , OK ! And what was the reason behind to tell her that he didn't succeed to fulfill the mission , that was sad and touching too but please people lets not veil down on this excuse as we all know that he specially came there once again for 'vachan' right ? Hasn't he already taken the vachan from her for numerous time including that the meeting outside which brought only problems and suspicions over her but it's still OK ! But then at that precise moment where did he loose his mind , his careness , his precausions ? That he still used to take meeting her in night outside in order not to attire any problems ! Now , he is inside the Palace , he came to realize smartly that each past events were quite bizarre and his life and security were at sake and he should stay on his guard then why did he take such a foolish risk and step to meet her that for an already common and useless reason , he does believe his sister that she will not betray him at any cost even if her life was at sake then why? Why? OK until when still the MAN was red handedly caught , CAUGHT ! And he stayed there cooly , staring at her sister poorly which would obviously attire Jalal's suspicions to be confirmed and still he's after the vachan not asking his sister to surrender by taking useless risk ???!!! What his sister subit just after he left to maintain intact his 'vachan' ok till now ! But le lendemain what we came to discover ? He came to massacre heap of soldiers and then left ? He didn't ask his sister to surrender , he left this tommorow morning ? Her sister is banished from Agra ? HOW SHOULD WE INTERPRETE IT ??? And concerning the name of my topic 'DARPOK' , very ugly and dramatic term right to hear and to judge a noble person but the topic's name was/is/will be 'DARPOK' not going to change it , hurt you sorry , here much as I know we can express our feeling in the way we want , and for me the term 'DARPOK' is still not that dramitically vulgar and I don't think I am surpassing the limit and please here we are discussing about the character of Sujamal in the show so please do not shuffle historical and true facts over him here because fiction and historical facts are two completly different things and I know that the real Sujamal didn't do such thing that would make me criticize him in a bad way as here , so please historical facts not to shuffle there with the topic 'DARPOK' ! Sorry to hurt but I know what I am defending and what I am presuming !

Originally posted by: ann2012

Again I will say that Sujamal was by no means a darpok.

Cleo and I have made clarifications on his darpok status, citing his presumptions and a person's damage control phase.

It should have been enough to bury this 'darpok' title. But clearly it wasn't.

Sujamal came back to take the second vachan to ensure that Jodha doesn't break under pressure and forget her promise. The situation has become very emotionally charged and it was very likely that Jodha would break the promise to save her bhaisa but in-turn implicate herself.

That is why Sujamal risked his life to return to Jo's hojra. He could have easily escaped post the patila event but he didn't. His sister's izzat and aan was more important to him. And still you say he is a darpok?

Jo is incapable of lying when asked the truth. The vachan was necessary so that she wouldn't incriminate herself.

Regarding Sujamal's herculean escape, the escape was needed due to reasons mentioned by Abhay is previous page.

Apart from those reasons, if Sujamal was presented in DEK, Jalal's courtiers would have recognized him and Jodha would have been labelled a criminal. It would brought immense relief to Jalal but the Mughal tehzeeb would have taken serious dent. That would have hurt Jalal's support base harder. At the moment his feelings are hurt but if Sujamal was recognized, then Jalal would have to face serious consequences in the court due to Jodha. You see it as his cowardice but I see more of a far-vision here. But to each his own.

He did kill a lot of Mughal soldiers en-route his escape but how else would have Sujamal fled from the Agra fort? Even Jalal killed dozens of Rajvanshis when escaping from Amer while rescuing Abdul. The situation here is the same.

As far as the historical facts are concerned, even the real Sujamal entered the harem. Despite knowing the consequences. The serial is following actual facts far more closely then any of us could have thought 😊

PS: Sorry for the delayed reply. Just opened this thread a while back.