Why do we hesitate to call a spade a spade?

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Posted: 11 years ago
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This topic has repeatedly frustrated me So I had to share and express my feelings in here. You guys have written such great posts in here, making references to original story that it is encouraging to know that we have a well-informed and educated audience in here.


Here goes my questions: Was Draupadi the cause of Mahabharat? Why do people blame her as an instigator of war between brothers?


Draupadi was unfortunate in 2 instances. In her swayamvar, she had a choice and so let Karna know he did not fit the bill. (Not to forget her ill-fated choice in Arjuna) She may have laughed at Duryodhana (he did not listen to the maid's admonitions) when he stumbled during his visit to the Lakshagrih palace. It was their egos and vindictive nature which must have made them wait for an opportunity to disrespect her. She was a victim here, and not the cause of Mahabharat.


Mahabharat was already foretold right since Duryodhana was born and when Dhritirashtra consistently denied Pandava's their rights to the throne. Sure a lot of people were grey. But am questioning how come no one ever pointed fingers at Yudhisthir and squarely pin the blame on him?? We may question interpretations of the text in a multitude of ways but let us stick with facts for a second and examine them carefully.


The more important question is: Was Yudhisthir deserving to be the elder brother and in a rightful position to take decisions on behalf of his family? There, in my humble opinion, the answer is a resounding No. It seems that the Pandavas were doomed right from the start due to a very weak and ineffective leader in their elder brother Yudhisthir, who did not learn from his past mistakes and continued to make foolish decisions that cost Pandavas so much time, sacrifices and personal losses on their way to the hastinapur throne.


Yudhisthir is supposed to be on the side of Dharma and well-versed with vedas. Dharma, as dictated by vedas refers to cosmic law and order; righteous way of living. Dharma as dictated by vedas does not refer to caste discrimination either. Yet, how often has he sided with Dharma in his actions ?


1) At age of 5 years, duryodhana had already made an attempt to drown Duryodhana. And what was Yudhisthir's response? He is your brother, let us be loving towards him.

----so even before draupadi came into the picture, duryodhana had already started bullying and targeting the pandavas. To name a few examples, he had them exiled, continually belittled them, constantly battled with bheema. and yet did big brother learn to fight for his rights? No he chose to stay a coward and not take any action.


2) when Karna was being disrespected for his birth order, he did not get up to defend him but chose to stay silent (despite the Pandava's own questionable births).

---In that sense, I respect duryodhana to wholeheartedly accept karna despite his questionable heritage (remember karna had not proved his superiority to arjun around that time, but was only asking for a chance to participate in a duel as a commoner). But yudhisthir did not support him because he saw him as a threat against his brother. Instead, if yudhisthir had supported him on the basis of his right to duel with arjun on the basis of his valor alone, he would have been worthy of greater respect (and lesser antagonism from karna). Pandavas were among the ones who kept mocking Karna as being a lower caste.


---and here's another example of yudhisthir's famous judgment lapses. Upon knowing that Karna was his brother by birth, he immediately forgave him of his sins regarding conduct towards draupadi. What happened to his ideals regarding righteous living?? Now suddenly, all of Karna's sins are forgiven? How come the same person was now acceptable to him?


3) There are numerous such examples but lets end with the infamous dice game. Yudhisthir gambled away his kingdom achieved with great difficulty just weeks after he had performed the raj yagna, had received numerous expensive gifts from various kings.


--Now what kind of king gambles away his own hard-fought, newly won kingdom? Duryodhana/Shakuni may have played around with the dice but no one but he himself chose to gamble away. His actions support that of a weak person who did not know how to discipline his mind or use simple common sense. After all this is the very cousin who drowned his brother in childhood, remember? and aimed to murder his family in cold blood. This very cousin who refuses to part with hastinapur.

--so he gambled away himself and his brothers. Again, no one ever references to him as the culprit and a fellow with a penchant for mega-foolish decisions.

--Draupadi gets humilated, the pandavas want to intervene but he uses big brother authority to silence them and does not intervene. Spectacular.

-- (and yet ages later, he agrees to do his part to deceive his guru drona about his son ashwatthama's death). Maybe it's just me but am having a hard time seeing his adherence to Dharma.


4) But his mega-foolish episode has to come even after that. The elders intervene and give Pandavas back everything they had lost. the first dice game is declared invalid because yudhisthir having gambled himself away cannot have the right to gamble others, even if family.

--What happens when Duryodhana sends a second invitation on behalf of dhritirashtra? This so-called wise big brother accepts it !! And promptly loses his kingdom again !

5) Pandavas may have won the war, but it took them numerous years to achieve that. They spent bulk of their time in exile (even prior to mahabharata war). Because yudhisthir just did not have the common sense to maintain a healthy level of distrust with duryodhana or take the right decision. Thanks to him, Pandavas were grandfathers (Remember abhimanyu--arjun's son had a child on the way at the time of war) by the time they won the war.


A weak leader was the biggest let-down for Pandavas. Sad they were stuck with him due to filial loyalty. Sadly, we never learn the right lessons. Instead as per this new-age-mahabharat (full of distortions, if I may add), the women are made to look bad (and deserving to be mistreated) but men are painted as 'victims'.

1) Kunti, for not disclosing Karna as her son.

2) Draupadi for being a victim of her circumstances.



Your comments are welcome :-).
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I agree... , After the Mahabharata war it seems he challenges Duryodan to select any pandava and beat him in duel .. then he will think as if Kauravas has won the war 😕

Agar sab kuch dena hai tho war kee kya zaroorat thi ...

And after they won .. he took a decision of leaving the kingdom to Bheem to rule ... which he changed later
That was pure injustice to Draupadi ... After suffering all these trials , Balandhara would have been the maharani if yudishtir stood on his decision

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Posted: 11 years ago
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If you read the book 'Yuganta'- there the author's version reads something like this:

When Draupadi fell on Meru parvat, only Bheem came down and asked her "what can I do for you Panchali?" A question he had asked her on many occasions. It's at that time Draupadi realized the futility of her undying love for Arjun and she replied, "in our next birth, please be the eldest brother."

This sums it up. So, you are not the only one who thinks Yudi was not fit to be the oldest brother.

I am still trying to figure out Yudi so I won't say anything for or against him. For me, he was a human who made mistakes but he was also one of the most honest and compassionate persons in the story. He refused to enter swarg if the stray dog that followed him was not allowed. He learnt a lot from his mistakes and perhaps that's what the epic wants us to take away from his character.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Completely agree with u.

Kunti is blamed for abandoning Karna. I know that was wrong. But did she do it happily?
I don't think so.
Our society is very judgemental about women, n very partial towards men. Hence Kunti did wat she did.
N then Draupadi. She was the reason of the war. Really?
The Kauravas cheated the Pandavas at every step, the Pandavas retaliated in the war, Shakuni poisoned the Kauravas, Dhritarashtra supported all of Duryodhan's misdeeds, Satyavati's father prevented Bhishm from being the king, Bhishm himself kidnapped 3 girls for his brother...we have so many MEN doing so many things to each other...
However, when it comes down to finding the reason behind the war, people point fingers at a WOMAN... a helpless woman who got disrobed in front of her "mighty" husbands??
What flaws did Draupadi have?
At most, she was outspoken and proud of her beauty n caste.
What else?
Did she poison anyone?
Did she plot to kill anyone?
Did she plan on taking away other people's kingdom by cheating?
Did she get into the battlefield to kill people in an unfair manner?
All these things were done by several men, whose joint actions caused the war.
N yet, we blame Draupadi.
Why?
Bcoz, she wanted justice for her molestation?
This proves that human have a tendancy to put the blame on women in critical situations.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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@Shailesh_Rathi 👏 👏 👏


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Posted: 11 years ago
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I agree with u for most of ur points...
N Draupadi was not the cause of mahabharat, it was Draupadi's INSULT that led to MAHABHARAT...

Let me quote it like this
" Jab- jab hoga naari ka APMAAN , YUDH aur ViNAASH hi hoga uska Parinaam"

Draupadi was born to change d entire scene of aryavat... for everything we need a cause..
like for raavan's downfall, sita haran was the cause...
similarily for MAHABHARAT draupadi's Vastra-haran became the final nail in d coffin for the Kaurava's...

About yudhishtir, I myself am very confused...
But as per my understanding , YUDI symbolised d principles of SATYUG n he followed them...
Krishna was born in DWAPAR YUG to change these very perceptions n paranpara's...
Dwapar yug n Mahabharat, GEETA were all a medium to set principles for good human beings in the coming KALYUG...
In Dwapar yug krishna laid principles n taught us the way to lead our life with rioughteousness (in the coming era) without being VICTIMISED...
He admonished the old principles, he taught us that we could not stand against the ultimate EVIL in future if we follow old path...
we need to fight evil with there own weapons, make them taste there own poison while keeping our own conscience clear...

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Posted: 11 years ago
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I hope i was clear in my answers...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: saakhi01

I agree with u for most of ur points...

N Draupadi was not the cause of mahabharat, it was Draupadi's INSULT that led to MAHABHARAT...

Let me quote it like this
" Jab- jab hoga naari ka APMAAN , YUDH aur ViNAASH hi hoga uska Parinaam"

Draupadi was born to change d entire scene of aryavat... for everything we need a cause..
like for raavan's downfall, sita haran was the cause...
similarily for MAHABHARAT draupadi's Vastra-haran became the final nail in d coffin for the Kaurava's...


I agree that that's what Star-bharat would like to keep repeating. But is that really true? When Sita got kidnapped, Rama immediately sprung into action to do whatever he could, no matter how long it took to get her back. So yes, one can consider that sita haran was cause of raavan's downfall. But I would not interpret it as we needed sita haran for raavan's downfall. that to me, sounds like justifying a wrong doing.

Yet, Draupadi's VH did not become a final nail in the coffin for Kauravas either. I wish it did, but that did not happen. Because right after first dice episode, Yudi forgot about her humiliation and her vow, and consented to the second dice game. Not just that, he accepted the 13 years in exile willingly. It was only when the 13th year clause (of staying undetected) was deceptively used to deprive them of their rights to hastinapur kingdom, that Yudi decided to go to war. Even then, they had sent peace entreaties to avoid war and get the kingdom back. If Duryodhana had done so, all that had happened in the past would have been forgiven, without exception. Draupadi's humiliation was not the driving force in Yudi's decision...if it had been, he would have immediately waged war and fought back for his kingdom. Or stopped being so forgiving to his 'anuj'.

Am suspecting that given the recent nirbhaya incident, CVs are using this event as a mileage in present scenario to get a lot of viewership. While we all agree that injustice had been done, no one fully examined this incident and the injustice done to Draupadi by the Pandavas, and whether it was fair to do so.

About yudhishtir, I myself am very confused... 😆😆 count me on it too.

But as per my understanding , YUDI symbolised d principles of SATYUG n he followed them...
...as per my understanding Satyug placed an extraordinary amount of importance and respect to women. You can see that in the way, all historical texts give equal importance to women. By the VH episode, something fundamental had come crashing down...the onset of Kalyug, with its set of woes, that which we are grappling with even today. Am not questioning your opinion, just honestly wondering why is Yudi interpreted as fair, even though his actions did not match up with his words. Is this interpretation supported by the original texts or is it that the 'modern religious experts' whoever they are want us to believe so? Since we do not have access to original scripture, these questions come to mind immediately.


Krishna was born in DWAPAR YUG to change these very perceptions n paranpara's...
Dwapar yug n Mahabharat, GEETA were all a medium to set principles for good human beings in the coming KALYUG...
In Dwapar yug krishna laid principles n taught us the way to lead our life with rioughteousness (in the coming era) without being VICTIMISED...
He admonished the old principles, he taught us that we could not stand against the ultimate EVIL in future if we follow old path...
we need to fight evil with there own weapons, make them taste there own poison while keeping our own conscience clear...



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Posted: 11 years ago
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Thanks all who chimed in with your opinions, regardless of whether you agree or disagree. I am amazed at the level of clarity shown by members here, so unlike most other online forum posts 👏.

I appreciate your allowing me to express my opinion in here (and thanks neel jay ☺️...am usually not this vocal, not even in real life ).


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: bheegi

If you read the book 'Yuganta'- there the author's version reads something like this:


When Draupadi fell on Meru parvat, only Bheem came down and asked her "what can I do for you Panchali?" A question he had asked her on many occasions. It's at that time Draupadi realized the futility of her undying love for Arjun and she replied, "in our next birth, please be the eldest brother."

This sums it up. So, you are not the only one who thinks Yudi was not fit to be the oldest brother.

I am still trying to figure out Yudi so I won't say anything for or against him. For me, he was a human who made mistakes but he was also one of the most honest and compassionate persons in the story. He refused to enter swarg if the stray dog that followed him was not allowed. He learnt a lot from his mistakes and perhaps that's what the epic wants us to take away from his character.


Thanks for the share re: Bheem ! Was not aware of this one, gives a deeper insight on how each of the characters had their own learning experiences over time.

Re: Yudi, I have nothing against him. Except that I find it annoying that when Draupadi was about to curse all present in the hall, she was stopped. But Yudi (and Pandavas) instead of learning to not engage in caste discrimination (which is why they disowned Karna in the first place), ended up cursing all womenkind as though Kunti alone led them to war. Would he have forgiven Karna for being so disrespectful to his bhabhi?? He comes across to me as a very flaky character. I can accept that Yudi was a better human being than Duryodhana, and yet what Yudi did wrong, is wrong too.

At least in that sense, Karna made a lot of relevant points to Kunti on her disclosure...that it was too late now and admitted that he had made so many mistakes (indirect reference to Draupadi?) that it would not be easy to face up to that, even if Yudi accepted him. Not to forget his sworn friendship with Duryodhana, which was formed because Duryodhana had accepted him in totality; while Pandavas would accept him once they approved of his heritage. (BRC episode used as reference, here).

That is all I was trying to refer to. That we tend to portray people in black and white. Maybe if modern day interpretations were honest in their criticism, we could learn from both the mistakes and strengths of the Mahabharat characters. For example, we still engage in caste discrimination and have not learned to do away with it. Women are still used as scapegoats for mistakes made by someone else in a more authorative position. Or that the immediate response to injustice by Yudi, is to act as a weakling and take no action. If we had seen Yudi as flawed, at least we could have learned how a weak ruler can let down his subjects and those that rely on him.

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