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Posted: 11 years ago
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@leadnitrate i have been saying the same thing but you can get accused of desrespecting great authors or some bs.
Like i know they are great scholars, but the last time i checked they were humans with their own mind and povs which they will put in books they like. Novels based on mb are no different.These authors express their own view through their writing.And they all are biased towards the character they like.
And nothing wrong with it since the novel needs to represent the author.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Every warrior in mb has ran away from one battle or another throughout the epic, either it be the warriors on kaurava side or the pandavas.If that is a bad thing.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Medha.S

Every warrior in mb has ran away from one battle or another throughout the epic, either it be the warriors on kaurava side or the pandavas.If that is a bad thing.

So u r saying that a mistake can be justified if the majority has done the same mistake!!!Even I dont think its a sin to run away from the war..Yudhishthir did run away frm Karna for his life..As far as I know it wasnt a tactic at all..For a warrior his pride should be more important than his life...
It is my personal opinion about the situation...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Archanapajit

So u r saying that a mistake can be justified if the majority has done the same mistake!!!Even I dont think its a sin to run away from the war..Yudhishthir did run away frm Karna for his life..As far as I know it wasnt a tactic at all..For a warrior his pride should be more important than his life...
It is my personal opinion about the situation...


moving away or beating a tactical retreat is not wrong. Neither its a mistake. What is mistaken and foolish is someone giving into valour or obduracy and carrying on even at the face of death when they know they can go back, regroup and attack.

everyone, from bheesma, drona, karna, bheem,arjun, duryodhan, dhristadyumna,aswathama, satyaki, draupadi's sons, salya, everyone did that.
Even today, soldiers beat tactical retreat.

And yudisthir was king.
Neither him, nor duryodhan ever made the mistake of willingly walking into the enemies hand just to maintain their pride.

If the king is caught, the war ends there.


and if Yudisthir did beat retreat, he also fought valiantly.in dronparva, the day arjun kills jayadratha. Drona tried to capture him, and at night he fought valiantly to the point of matching drona with brahmastsa. Something no one thoughthe could do.

Yudishtir's goodness does not make him weak or unworthy.
IF only you guys would read the MB you would know.
As I said diff POVs are welcome, but they are not MB. they are one persons opinion.

You can hate on yudisthir as much as you want to, does not change the fact how his character is sketched in the original.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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No i dont mean that because it isnt a mistake at all.All these warriors loved their honor but when time came they all were running away "fled", "fleed away" many a times.
Why single out only the king.
Duryodhan ran to save his life till the last moment and hid away.
Arjun fled from karn. Duri.Dushi.Karn fled away from abhimanyu.
Karn ran away from arjun.In fact i was just reading and he fled away in the north direction.
If they did it to save their lives or otheerwise, they know.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: bheegi

If you read the book 'Yuganta'- there the author's version reads something like this:


When Draupadi fell on Meru parvat, only Bheem came down and asked her "what can I do for you Panchali?" A question he had asked her on many occasions. It's at that time Draupadi realized the futility of her undying love for Arjun and she replied, "in our next birth, please be the eldest brother."

This sums it up. So, you are not the only one who thinks Yudi was not fit to be the oldest brother.

I am still trying to figure out Yudi so I won't say anything for or against him. For me, he was a human who made mistakes but he was also one of the most honest and compassionate persons in the story. He refused to enter swarg if the stray dog that followed him was not allowed. He learnt a lot from his mistakes and perhaps that's what the epic wants us to take away from his character.


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Thing is, if you read MB, the main one, you would find realise aside from Yudi, there wasn't any who had the qualities of a great leader. Karna could have been probably, but he was doomed by his fate and his insane jealousy for arjuna.

Among pandavas, Bheema was impulsive and acted without thinking about consequences. That made him a valiant warrior, because he was more engrossed in the act than the future of it. Draupadi could manipulate him easily. Can you imagine had bheema been elder, all draupadi's whims could have been catered to, with sometimes devastating consequences maybe.
Yudi contained her anger, her impulsiveness, even her sometimes abrasive behaviour at times

Arjuna was a great fighter but he lacked the conviction to carry on leading even in despair and he needed motivation. During the kurukhestra war, even after the death of abhimanyu, krishna needed to remind him over and over again to fight. Also he could not easily acknowledge greatness in enemies. Krishna praised karna to the sky to him to make him realise what an opponent and man of valour karna is.
Sahadev was a baby, even though he was wise and full of discretion but he was childlike as well.
Nakul was not as strong or valiant and he lacked the patience of leadership.
both N and S lacked the leadership pull yudi had.

A ruler needs to have patience, forethought. any ruler not just king even a leader of people intending to lead the country to prosperity.
The leader must focus more on quality and growth and less on destruction. because that brings more ravaging.
Yudithir had patience, he thought ahead, he pondered on everything.
he owned up to his mistake.
And when he made his mind up he did not falter.
Arjun needed the Gita and motivational speech every now and then from krishna .
But Yudhisthir tried for peace till the end.,
When he knew it was impossible he fought,

and he fought valiantly, no less that his two mighty brothers.
he contained drona, he contained duri, he contained karna at one instance too.

I think Yudi had all the qualities a modern day leader/ruler should have.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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hey..
nice post..
you kknow in mahabharat every character is wrong... but is right according to them in their own sense... and the teachings of mahabharat is to make these wrongs right.. and that is bhagavad gita...
people say we dont keep mb at homes because it signifies mistakes at each step... and only person who corrected these mistakes was krishna.. no one else...
yudhister was wrong.. .but he is know as dharmi beacause.. he did what was taught to him about dharma... the dice game we say all was yudi's mistake.. but he culdn't leave the game till the end... not because he was selfish or anything but because he had already said he'll sit through the entire game... and that time was such that once words are said they are not taken back and one who follows it is a dharmi... at that time the king's words or dharam was more of any importance than any other relation... this was kept all above the relationships... yes to draupadi he was wrong ... yes to his brother's he was wrong... yes to today's people he was wrong... but he was right as a king... so he was following his dharam...
krishna came and taught him that respecting woman is the biggest dharma...
as we say in ramayan too agnipareeksha was given by sitaji only.. and after a comment from a person ramji again sent sitaji to vanvaas... then too his dharma as a ruler was kept way above his dharma towards his wife...
similarly was the case here..
and about forgiveness - its the main quality a leader should possess... otherwise wars would be happening... and in wars nobody but public suffers...
i just told you about what kind of dharam people were following then... its perception is alll changed now... so it might be difficult to understand...
but all in the end i can say that mahabharat is all about mistakes... and we have to learn it from...
p.s. i appreciate a slight modern view of mb on starplus here... its totally needed in today's world...

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