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Hey Friends,

Finally got the internet and everything is set. MIssed you all mad people...🤗Phew, never take internet for granted...I learned my lesson...never again!!!!!

First I have to apologize for not replying for many posts and threads and PMs. I will be going through them as soon as possible.

Interesting episodes we are having now and lot of debates it has sparked (why am I speaking like Yoda?!).

This is in continuation of my much older posts. You can say that all these posts are part of Venn diagram with intersections and unions. And also I would have written few things here and there in other posts. So, kindly stay with me if you felt if this is repetitive. I have also not read the recent posts and hence do not know if anyone else has already touched these topics.

(Those who have absolutely no work right now, please read my older posts if interested. Links are below. http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3836599 and http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3841285)😉

I have explored Jalal and Jodha individually in the previous posts. This is something I wanted to write for a long time, i.e. the journey of Jalal and Jodha together. I also want to remind and mention a lovely post made by Divya on trust sometime back and a reply from Sandhya on the very same post. These are somehow connected to this post. (Maddy, these posts would be my nomination for your weekly posts by the way). So here it is...

A good relationship is like a good wine. As the relationship matures and grows, so does the flavor and the experience. Jalal and Jodha's relationship has been through many trails and experiences. Is this enough to make a good wine of a relationship?

It was an interesting juncture at which Jalal and Jodha's path cross for the first time. Jalal, having a terrible childhood and having seen and done things which a normal child would not have, even for that era, was in a position of power and control. But, for Jodha, her trails and abuse started only after she met Jalal. Till then she was a pampered princess.

His past was behind him and power and control were his two best friends. She lost all the control and power over her life and from her life. He made her to be a symbol and embodiment of all of Rajavanshis. She was a figure-head to control and tame the Ranjavanshi's heart and land. For her, he stood for all things evil and hateful. He wanted to tame her and she wanted to defy him.

Often I hear complaints about Jodha's behavior during the initial days of her marriage. That she was hateful and rude towards Jalal. And she cared for Amer more than him. But why shouldn't she? The whole purpose of her marriage was to keep Amer safe. She was merely doing the job which her parents assigned her, isn't it? And why shouldn't she be rude to Jalal? Her dignity was compromised in unimaginable ways and she had no power to change it. We can live without lot of things, even love. We cannot and should not live without dignity and respect.

And Jalal, being influenced by MA and BK, and the way he was bought up, the circumstances made him the man he was. He did not think that dignity, respect and even love are something everyone needs, even him. He understood only power and he expected that is what others want it too. He used power as a tool, to control and a boon, to bestow upon people who earned his favor.

I am going off topic and all things changed and for the better later on anyway.

But, let's talk about trust. Jodha knew she was marrying a man she hated and that he hated her. Even though the man hated her, she trusted that a king will give her the respect in accordance to her status in his life that is of a wife and queen. He broke her trust then. And he continued to break her trust. Every time there was a misunderstanding or a problem, he broke her trust that he will be with her no matter what or that he will be her strength. Repeatedly, her dignity was compromised and he was not with her or because he was not with her. Remember the scene where she asks him to release Sharif? All she ever wanted was a partner in life, who will be with her thick and thin, sharing her sorrows and triumphs equally, and with no conditions attached. Is he that partner now? How can she trust him, especially, whenever there are conflicts, his support in her was always a question and not a certainty? What is the guarantee that her dignity will be intact, if there is any MU's and conflicts? Would she have told him about Suja, even without that promise? These doubts will not be there when there is absolute trust.

Jalal has seen so many things in his childhood that trust does not come naturally to him, understandably so. People have to work hard to earn his. Jodha did earn his trust to a large extent. Her scarifying her life to save his paved a big way for his ultimate trust. But, circumstances have taught him to be wary. He trusts Jodha, but with a pinch of salt. No wonder, because, he has seen that most of his enemies are the once close to him. Can we blame him when is on guard and still keeps himself away from giving all in to Jodha? He is treading a new path, of emotions and feelings, which are not natural to him. He has seen her heart and the love she is capable of. Given his past and his deeds, will he not be insecure? Will he not have even a tinest of doubt whether is worthy of such love, or worthy of her? If he is unsure and insecure with Jodha, that is only expected. With his insecurities, will he not fear losing her affection to another, even if that other person is not a lover? Will he not doubt if he will ever be the center of her universe, as she is to his? Even if it is so, will he not fear losing all of it in a blink of time? After all, he does not trust his own destiny and fate that anything will be permanent. These insecurities will not be there when there is absolute trust.

There are lot of similarities and differences between these two. Since, the question of the hour is trust, these two are poles apart. For Jodha, either she trusts a person or not. She does not need a proof for trust or for lack of it. Jalal needs proof for trust. His trust is conditional and there is a reason for why he is the way he is. Simply put, she is all heart and he is all mind. Together they are the soul. So, do they trust each other completely now? For me it is a resounding no. They are getting there though. She still does not trust him to be with her no matter what and unconditionally. He still does not trust her to be his and that he is her life as she is to him. Both of them need to understand this about the other and make sure these doubts are cleared.

Love,

Kshithi



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Posted: 11 years ago
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Kshithi wonderful post ..👏... Both of them have trust issues, JO unable to trust Jalaal will support her brother Sujamal is not guilty and he will never back attack nor try to kill him..

While Jalaal trust Jo, can never do wrong and her intentions will be good, but still feels bad she is unable to trust him & it's paining him that she is keeping secrets & also giving importance & more comfortable with that unknown person...

Their faith is shaking with tearing apart their relationship which is now building. The only thing is at least one of them should speak what going in their mind..

Either Jalaal ask her directly with calmness nor JO should give assurance to jalaal she is keeping a secret from him but will surely share him first when time comes, till that time trust me...

So both are expecting the other should open up, for the gap in their relationship... Unless they don't open up the third parties ( Like MA, ruqqu) will take advantage give them the sufferings...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Thanks Neena. 😊

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Kshithi
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Thanks. 😊

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Kshithi
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Originally posted by: abhi786

Kshithi wonderful post ..👏... Both of them have trust issues, JO unable to trust Jalaal will support her brother Sujamal is not guilty and he will never back attack nor try to kill him..

While Jalaal trust Jo, can never do wrong and her intentions will be good, but still feels bad she is unable to trust him & it's paining him that she is keeping secrets & also giving importance & more comfortable with that unknown person...

Their faith is shaking with tearing apart their relationship which is now building. The only thing is at least one of them should speak what going in their mind..

Either Jalaal ask her directly with calmness nor JO should give assurance to jalaal she is keeping a secret from him but will surely share him first when time comes, till that time trust me...

So both are expecting the other should open up, for the gap in their relationship... Unless they don't open up the third parties ( Like MA, ruqqu) will take advantage give them the sufferings...


Thanks Abhi,

Communication is a key factor in a relationship, that is missing from these two. You have rightly put it across...

Love
Kshithi

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Posted: 11 years ago
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" For Jodha, either she trusts a person or not. She does not need a proof for trust or for lack of it. Jalal needs proof for trust. His trust is conditional and there is a reason for why he is the way he is. Simply put, she is all heart and he is all mind. Together they are the soul. "



Here the problem is not being able to speak up..!!.And the reasons are for BOTH..!!..

Very nicely written...Awesome...Was missing such post...

I wish you had posted this earlier...
Still, better late then NEVER..😊
Edited by history_geek - 11 years ago
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Kshiti good post. But would beg to differ on some aspects.

Trust and Faith are 2 different entities altogether. Trust needs proof whereas Faith is blind - we do call it Blind Faith not Blind Trust. This is becoz Love is an act of Faith is my belief. Also Trust is likened to glass while Faith is likened to steel - Bharosa tutha hai Vishwaas kabhi nahin tutha.

As for Jodha and Jalal - neither trust the other without proof - and Jalal has not broken Jodha's trust becoz if you remember after their shaadi I think the first night in Agra he does tell her what she means to him and neither has Jodha broken Jalal's trust becoz even she had responded in kind - so they neither tried to create that trust in the other.

Coming to Jodha and her poison drinking - she has been constantly using the term 'Kartavya / Duty' for this act - even though Jalal desperately wants to believe otherwise - yet Jodha has persisted in using this term - once more Jodha has not created the trust - I will not use the term faith as of now becoz neither has realised how much faith they actually have in the other - that is their journey - the discovery of this faith which is nothing but the other name for Love - As Coelho puts it 'Love is an act of Faith and not an exchange' - The day they individually realize this Love and thus the Faith they will not be looking for the other to respond with Love - And that is the journey - a long path that the True Lovers walk as they face the obstacle called Fear and triumph over it with Courage - Interestingly, Jalal is much ahead of Jodha on this path - and this is something that I have always seen - Men are always ahead of women on the path of Love - and I am still searching for the answer to why this is so!!!!!
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Originally posted by: history_geek

" For Jodha, either she trusts a person or not. She does not need a proof for trust or for lack of it. Jalal needs proof for trust. His trust is conditional and there is a reason for why he is the way he is. Simply put, she is all heart and he is all mind. Together they are the soul. "



Here the problem is not being able to speak up..!!.And the reasons are for BOTH..!!..

Very nicely written...Awesome...Was missing such post...

I wish you had posted this earlier...
Still, better late then NEVER..😊


Thanks Abhay. 😃
I wished I had posted it sooner too... Kya kare.. I did not have internet all these days... 😭

Love
Kshithi

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Originally posted by: adianasr

Kshiti good post. But would beg to differ on some aspects.

Trust and Faith are 2 different entities altogether. Trust needs proof whereas Faith is blind - we do call it Blind Faith not Blind Trust. This is becoz Love is an act of Faith is my belief. Also Trust is likened to glass while Faith is likened to steel - Bharosa tutha hai Vishwaas kabhi nahin tutha.

As for Jodha and Jalal - neither trust the other without proof - and Jalal has not broken Jodha's trust becoz if you remember after their shaadi I think the first night in Agra he does tell her what she means to him and neither has Jodha broken Jalal's trust becoz even she had responded in kind - so they neither tried to create that trust in the other.

Coming to Jodha and her poison drinking - she has been constantly using the term 'Kartavya / Duty' for this act - even though Jalal desperately wants to believe otherwise - yet Jodha has persisted in using this term - once more Jodha has not created the trust - I will not use the term faith as of now becoz neither has realised how much faith they actually have in the other - that is their journey - the discovery of this faith which is nothing but the other name for Love - As Coelho puts it 'Love is an act of Faith and not an exchange' - The day they individually realize this Love and thus the Faith they will not be looking for the other to respond with Love - And that is the journey - a long path that the True Lovers walk as they face the obstacle called Fear and triumph over it with Courage - Interestingly, Jalal is much ahead of Jodha on this path - and this is something that I have always seen - Men are always ahead of women on the path of Love - and I am still searching for the answer to why this is so!!!!!


Thanks Adi. 😊

Interesting take on Faith and Trust. Enjoyed reading it.
I do not put much of me in faith. I do not understand that concept at all and that is an experience I have never achieved.
But I do know about trust. Or May be for me Faith and Trust are same?
Yes, both have not worked towards trust. He did not give trust in her that he is with her always and will always maintain her dignity.

And She did not think that he needs reassurances too, that he needs to know that he is loved. You made this point so clear, without the long passages I have written. 😊 As you rightly said, it must have irked him to be just a "duty" and a "responsibility".

Hmm..interesting thing you have mentioned at the end. I never thought about it. 😃

Love
Kshithi
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Superb dear. Very beautifully written 👏 👏

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