should there be any descrimination

in EDUCATION

Ok its a sensitive issue but I came across an article in Rediff.com

https://specials.rediff.com/news/2007/apr/16sl1.htm

I as a Human being forst of all is opposed to the idea of any kind of reservation based on caste esp in education . My resoning being if god created people with brains irrespective of caste and religion then why should we descriminate based on it . Every human being is given a brain to make use of and education should be based on merit and scors rather than caste.

another point ,...... I would also get deeply offended if someone categorises me as Backward class and offer me a seat . I would rather want to get a seat based on my scores and talent .

In this article many students have already mentioned that with this scenario they have no option but to look to pursue their education abroad and thats the case with the majority who live abroad . Is this the right way to go abt it .

I mean I would def support reservation based on economically backward classes like people who are struggling to get financial ends meet and dont have money for fees , I would make reservation based on that ,not on caste.

Our country speaks of abolishing descrimination yet we do it in the most sacred of places , Education . Is that right ?

I also feel that the politicians want to make use of the caste card or the minority card to get votes but we too fall in their trap .

what do u think , is it right to descriminate in education . does talent ,hardwork or marks hold any value in this education system . In this rate every person with marks and talent would look abroad for opportunities when our own country restricts people based on caste and religion.

do give ur thoughts but since its sensitive plz be as civil as possible.

Originally posted by: tina59

in EDUCATION

Ok its a sensitive issue but I came across an article in Rediff.com

https://specials.rediff.com/news/2007/apr/16sl1.htm

I as a Human being forst of all is opposed to the idea of any kind of reservation based on caste esp in education . My resoning being if god created people with brains irrespective of caste and religion then why should we descriminate based on it . Every human being is given a brain to make use of and education should be based on merit and scors rather than caste.

another point ,...... I would also get deeply offended if someone categorises me as Backward class and offer me a seat . I would rather want to get a seat based on my scores and talent .

In this article many students have already mentioned that with this scenario they have no option but to look to pursue their education abroad and thats the case with the majority who live abroad . Is this the right way to go abt it .

I mean I would def support reservation based on economically backward classes like people who are struggling to get financial ends meet and dont have money for fees , I would make reservation based on that ,not on caste.

Our country speaks of abolishing descrimination yet we do it in the most sacred of places , Education . Is that right ?

I also feel that the politicians want to make use of the caste card or the minority card to get votes but we too fall in their trap .

what do u think , is it right to descriminate in education . does talent ,hardwork or marks hold any value in this education system . In this rate every person with marks and talent would look abroad for opportunities when our own country restricts people based on caste and religion.

do give ur thoughts but since its sensitive plz be as civil as possible.

Part in red: BINGO......That is the way to go...👏

Originally posted by: ani11

No the answer is that there should not be any discrimination...of any kind..

Is'nt it pathetic to be treated like second class citizens in ur own country...a country where u are born and brought up.. 🤢

The only reservation if there has to be any should be on the basis of economic status....the people who generally benefit from these reservations most of the times are the well to do people and their off springs..

The politicians are the ones who benefit the most.. 🤢

Bingo...I concur with everything that you have said Ani..

Tina, great topic👏

LTNS, WB - nice post TINA

Originally posted by: ani11

Is'nt it pathetic to be treated like second class citizens in ur own country...a country where u are born and brought up.. 🤢

Bingo Ani! - that is a leading cause of brain drain so passionately condemned by so many..

NO reservations what-so-ever. Make student loans and fellowships available for the ecomoically struggling. Others should have no choice but struggle and compete along with others.
I have a few OBC friends who are equally annoyed by reservations BTW. They never needed those reseved seats and they feel angry at those who abuse and manipulate the system in the name of being suppressed

Originally posted by: ani11

Is'nt it pathetic to be treated like second class citizens in ur own country...a country where u are born and brought up.. 🤢

Yes, Ani. It is funny that India is still called a democracy when people are discriminated on quota basis and PM is elected without running for elections.

Manmohan Singh is not someone who won an election through democratic public voting still he is the leader of world's largest democracy. How ironic!😕

This discrimination thing is universal

I was just reading an article, about a 8 year old kid plays hockey in a town in Canada, they just run over their opponents, now this kid is not even the best player on the team, he is just bigger, like a feet taller and a couple of dozen pounds heavier

He was banned from playing in the league tournaments, not sure if it was b'cos he comes from a place that speaks only english and the league is controlled by people who speak french 😆 😆

wonder how his parents explained to him why he was no more allowed to play 😕

Hilarious, Ridiculous and Sad

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=joyce/070418 &lpos=spotlight&lid=tab4pos1

Originally posted by: tina59

in EDUCATION

Ok its a sensitive issue but I came across an article in Rediff.com

what do u think , is it right to descriminate in education . does talent ,hardwork or marks hold any value in this education system . In this rate every person with marks and talent would look abroad for opportunities when our own country restricts people based on caste and religion.

do give ur thoughts but since its sensitive plz be as civil as possible.

Are there people who are economily downtrodden, yes, do many of them belong to underprivilged caste's/religions, yes

Everyone talks about economic reservations, now we all know the reality in India, If I want, I can go get a certificate stating, I belong to SC or my income is in the underprivleged caste's.

In my opinion the best case scenario is conduct a census, do a headcount how many belong to what religion, what gender, what caste and if possible their income level

Then carve up a reservation criteria based upon those numbers, for Women, Muslims, Christians, Parsis, SC, ST, OBC, Upper caste Hindu's everyone has a reservation and no-one feels cheated, do it every 10 years and revise the quota's if needed, at least this money spent on census is well worth

You can do away with the reservations when the income levels of all come over a designated poverty line

But to do this you have to count based upon religious lines, and if that we have to shed the secular tag and declare ourself as a Hindu nation which cares for everyone in the country😉

Or the other option is

just scrap the existing reservation system, b'cos it is heavily discriminatory

A Punjabi cook holds a SC certificate, just so that he can obtain an employment in the Government Service i.e. be a personal cook to a Government Employee as the pay scale is high and perks are higher. There are such pockets in every corner of India which are such "Certificate havens". Will concensus help?? Will a mere classification of "poor" be sufficient to get a job or education? Why should a rich be made to suffer merely because he isnt poor

While one must encourage downtrodden and economically backward persons, a straight Reservation Policy will often be misused.

Give them soft loans, encourage educational institutions which will finance your education and recover it from your paycheck. This would even make them find these students good employments. Why should anyone subsidise the education or needs of another? Why should I as a honest tax payer have to pay for the education/ employment and livelihood of someone, who may or may not deserve it.

Originally posted by: sareg

Are there people who are economily downtrodden, yes, do many of them belong to underprivilged caste's/religions, yes

Everyone talks about economic reservations, now we all know the reality in India, If I want, I can go get a certificate stating, I belong to SC or my income is in the underprivleged caste's.

In my opinion the best case scenario is conduct a census, do a headcount how many belong to what religion, what gender, what caste and if possible their income level

Then carve up a reservation criteria based upon those numbers, for Women, Muslims, Christians, Parsis, SC, ST, OBC, Upper caste Hindu's everyone has a reservation and no-one feels cheated, do it every 10 years and revise the quota's if needed, at least this money spent on census is well worth

You can do away with the reservations when the income levels of all come over a designated poverty line

But to do this you have to count based upon religious lines, and if that we have to shed the secular tag and declare ourself as a Hindu nation which cares for everyone in the country😉

Or the other option is

just scrap the existing reservation system, b'cos it is heavily discriminatory

Wellsaid Sareg ji!👏

som days bk the newspaper mentiond tht the congress said tht a new caste based census now will fuel disharmony amongst the indian society..n affect the peace and harmony.pray wudnt a caste based quota fuel disharmony???ever since the issue started it has only created discord between people..and as far as peace is concerned,maybe lathi charging medical and engineering students(female included) was a way to propagate peace..

they say tht quota in postgraduate institutes will uplift the backward classes..the people who need it the most cant even afford high school education..so hw will postgraduate reservations uplift them?let our bkwrd-people loving govt first deal wid tht minor hurdle of educating them till they reach graduation..thn maybe postgraduation reservation wil help our society..

ok lets assume tht the reservations are implemented..most of the non creamy layer cant afford the fee structure of the elite institutes..so nw wot?those seats will not b filled..our govt came up wid the logic tht this is obvious unless the creamy layer is also allowed to benefit from the quota..so lets allow the creamy layer as well..even if they are rich enugh to buy those same seats frm management quota..bt no..they r a backward class..even if they r economically not backward..they r needed to lead the other obcs..fwd among bkwrd..

the major problem among the graduation and postgraduation aspirants is tht many desreving candidates cant afford the fees of the institutes..the govt shud try make it easier for these students.nt pave way for the creamy layer of the obcs to get seats tht they dnt deserve..wid the huge competition in the entrance exams nw,ths jst serves to build up frustration among all students..

general category students are nt selfish brats who cnt bear to let obcs prosper,as mentioned by polticians and reservation supporting grps..v r very ordinary people frm the middle class,who have neither major money to buy seats from management or under-the-table merit seats,nor any caste based reservation to ensure post graduate seats..we hv only our crdibility to account for..plz dnt take tht away frm us..dnt subject education to vote bank politics..