Does Ruq love Jalal or herself - Page 4

Originally posted by: myviewprem

Ruqu married him when he was a vagabond a prince without a state and no gaurantee that he would become a king let alone emperor in future. And the major reason for marriage was because hindal had left his provinces to ruqaiah and even his property in will. So by marrying her he got her property and her provinces to rule.

So i do not think ruqu really thought of all this both were just 9 years old when they married(in serial she 9 and he 11). Its only now she is saying audha audha again here this is jalal fault to make her happy he always says you are my empress my first wife no one can take your place and audha in this life. So whatever anyone says 10 times the other person starts taking that as truth.

Like jalal started believing he has no dil because khan baba and maham kept telling him that till now same psychology for ruqu's audha

Both are leaving in make believe world created by others for them not in reality

Exactly my point! She married an immature prince because she had to. She didn't love him at a young age of 9 right? I am pretty sure she didn't even know what marriage or love is at that tender age!
But I really don't think she loves Jalal NOW. She thinks she loves him but actually she does not.

Thanks everyone for your honest and frank comments.

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Thanks everyone for your honest and frank comments.

I think everyone agrees different people love in different ways and their love can't be compared.

Both Ruq and Jo outlived Akbar and he respected them both equally till the end. Yes, the difference in their upbringing and background molded them differently. Although both are well-educated, intelligent, beautiful, headstrong, they are still very different from each other.

Both Ruq and Jo may not have married Jalal if he had been a commoner for such was the system in those days. Humayun married Ruq to Jalal when he wasn't a king. But there was always hope that he would be king one day.

Jalal would never take away anything from Ruq or leave her for another woman (even Jo) because she is so dear to him.

Ruq and Jo may never love each other like Jo and Salima do but they will learn to coexist for the sake of the man they both love.

Jalal and Ruq

Ruq grew up with Jalal and they cannot think of a life without each other. He's a part of her and she's a part of him. Both are loyal to the other and accept the other without protest because that has become their habit, their nature. They never knew about the real meaning of marriage till quite a few years had passed and by then it was too late to ignite any passion. Their marriage is like the arranged marriage of olden days when husbands and wives spent their entire lives comfortably with each other without ever falling in "love" like Laila Majnu.

I don't agree with those who say Jalal gave Ruq a raw deal but worked hard on Jo. He was the same age as Ruq (and Jo). He had been brought up to believe that he was only a warrior and he should never "love" any woman because that would be his downfall. Maybe MA or Khan baba might have felt that they would lose control over Jalal if he were to love someone else. They even kept him away from Hamida Bano! So they may have influenced the kind of marriage Jalal-Ruq would have. MA still continues to influence them and even killed their unborn child to protect her own interests.

Jalal married many women. This is shocking for us but back then it wasn't. Ruq herself told him a king should marry for a child, for love, to extend his empire etc. Even many Hindu kings had multiple wives and loved more than one of them. The queens may not have been happy with this arrangement but accepted it as part of tradition. Most marriages were conducted without the personal wishes of Jalal (leave alone Ruq), maybe again by Khan baba or MA. By the time Jalal married Jo at 20, he already had a harem of hundreds of wives. He married afterwards also but that may have been out of the habits imposed on him from childhood in the name of tradition and extending/safeguarding his empire.

Jalal and Jodha

By the time Jalal met Jo, Khan baba was out of his way, he had matured and was trying to come out from the influence of MA and become an independent ruler. It may have been youthful passion, a bonding of souls, a desire to win and dominate an eligible princess but he was drawn towards Jo like he had never been before. She influenced him to the extent that he forgot about dominating her and took her as his equal.

Radhika,
Awesome views..
Finally a highly rational comment.
This debate is never ending, as i said before also, and so refrained from jumping in.
The fact being, both are amongst his longest serving Empresses, says all...!
No matter how much arguments or counters are given.. 😊

''Afterall, a thing as pious as LOVE can't be measured. It can only be seen in actions...''

I entered here just to give some correct facts. Ruqs was his friend from starting and will remain so. Jodha being the one whom he won still could not conquer.!.

Surely both were important for him. But evidences DO say something really special about Jodha. Also the misconception of Jodha being important only after giving an heir has been dispelled many times, and i am in no mood to repeat same story again.

That's all i can say, coz i ascertain anything on basis of practical evidences not word debates. 😊

At the end, would agree, a fab take, indeed.

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Abhay to Jo's rescue! When it comes to history, no one on this forum should mess with Abhay😆

BTW Abhay, I have a question for u. How much purdah system was followed in Akbar's time? I don't mean the fancy transparent purdahs they r showing in the show. I mean just any lady can come in the open in the court or outside also without a veil on her face. Was this how it was then?

res...

If u want details then wait.
But both types of purdahs existed.
Transparent ones and totally veiled as well..actually was reading a book on mughal fabrics..would answer well after finishing it..

Btw...
I have given details of such transparent looking fabrics in my part4 thread. Another member lizzy has quoted few transparent 'type' fabrics in inside pages of that thread.. U may see there...
Women normally stayed in purdah. Not in such an open manner as shown here. Hope this clears ur question

@radhika..

I have written few facts only..
These are true...!!... 😆

Originally posted by: history_geek

Radhika,
Awesome views..
Finally a highly rational comment.
This debate is never ending, as i said before also, and so refrained from jumping in.
The fact being, both are amongst his longest serving Empresses, says all...!
No matter how much arguments or counters are given.. 😊

''Afterall, a thing as pious as LOVE can't be measured. It can only be seen in actions...''

I entered here just to give some correct facts. Ruqs was his friend from starting and will remain so. Jodha being the one whom he won still could not conquer.!.

Surely both were important for him. But evidences DO say something really special about Jodha. Also the misconception of Jodha being important only after giving an heir has been dispelled many times, and i am in no mood to repeat same story again.

That's all i can say, coz i ascertain anything on basis of practical evidences not word debates. 😊

At the end, would agree, a fab take, indeed.

res...

If u want details then wait.
But both types of purdahs existed.
Transparent ones and totally veiled as well..actually was reading a book on mughal fabrics..would answer well after finishing it..

Btw...
I have given details of such transparent looking fabrics in my part4 thread. Another member lizzy has quoted few transparent 'type' fabrics in inside pages of that thread.. U may see there...
Women normally stayed in purdah. Not in such an open manner as shown here. Hope this clears ur question

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Oh, thanks a ton, Abhay! High words of praise when coming from you 😊

Yes, I agree with you. Jo must have been special to him - maybe because of her qualities or the fact that he found her a challenge 😉 Let's close this discussion here.

But like you have written in one of your threads, evidence of HK/MUZ's impact on Akbar is maybe missing, wasn't recorded or destroyed later. So tragic. But if there are paintings of her, surely there should be some written evidence too.

In the show, there are 2 instances, in one some folk singers sing about Jo's beauty before her marriage and in the other, an artist paints her portrait for Jalal. Jalal burns the painting and tells the singers to never sing about Jo again. He is so possessive of her that he can't bear that anyone else should hear about her or see her portrait. Maybe this compelled him to omit her from Akbarnama also? Just my feeling...what do u feel?

RES...
Will reply later...😊