Jodha Akbar 167: Ab hamara ek doosre se hi wajood hai

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Folks,

Like Hanuman announcing to Lord Rama , on his return after the Lanka Dahan, Dekha Sitaji ko, the Dekha coming first to spare Rama even that one extra second of worry, let me tell you that All ij well! ( apologies to the Three Idiots).

The new promo: Caring togetherness: We now have it from the metaphorical horse's mouth that there is to be no reversion to the chilliness and acrid exchanges of old between Jalal and Jodha.

The latest promo, which aired just now on Zee, is tailormade to cheer us all up. It shows Jalal, supporting Jodha with his arm around her shoulders, leading her on a walk in the gardens. They are then shown seated , and when her hand is being dipped in (presumably warm) water, he puts his own hand in to touch hers. She does not withdraw her own, and smiles slightly at him. Lastly, she is sitting in a garden seat and Jalal, standing behind her, drapes that red velvet shawl round her . She looks up at him, her eyes soft, tranquil and smiling, while his are warm but a tad hesitant, though hopeful.

Jodha is in the simplest possible attire, with next to no jewellery and her hair open, and so she looks as lovely as she did the night of the shove, like a reincarnated Madhubala. A pity that she cannot be shown sometimes in black and white. She would look even more stunning.

The commentary - Mizaaz badal rahe hain, seerat badal rahi hai, chhipi huyi nafratein pighal rahi hain - is out of date by a week or more, but never mind.

So you see, we are in for good times, folks! And no, there is no way this can be anyone's dream. Wait a second! I hope it is not Mahaam's nightmare! Or even Ruqaiya's!😉

Ab hamara ek doosre se hi wajood hai: Let us go back a bit to last night. It would be hard to improve on Lashy's highly emotional post on it, and this is really an afterthought triggered by the new promo. Rather like sewing a vest on a button ! So please bear with me as I try a different approach to last night's episode.

Of course I have to begin with what is being called, for lack of a better term, the "soul talk". At least, it seemed certain that the rooh in blue was Jodha Begum's, but seeing the brash aggressiveness of Jalal throughout that segment, I am not sure it was his rooh at all.

Surely the rooh of even such a great conqueror would be more subdued in the other world, just as one instinctively lowers one's voice in a place of worship? Jalal's whatever-it-is, on the contrary, steadily raises the decibel level, and by the end, he is hollering at her and the Almighty alike.

It is thus more that likely that Jalal has, by throwing his imperial weight around, bullied the guardians of the gates to the Parlok into letting him in.

I loved it that Jalal did not beg or plead for Jodha not to leave him. Neither with Jodha, nor with Kismat/Bhagya or even with God.

On the contrary, he denounces her perennial zid, which he will not allow to prevail this once. He announces his readiness to declare war on all and sundry if that was necessary to hold Jodha back.

His constant refrain is Hum aapko nahin jaane denge. Jodha Begum (incidentally, he called her Jodha Begum 37 times during that passage, often twice in a single sentence. This is the rule for all their conversations. Does he think she has forgotten her name, or that he is danger of forgetting it?😉)

His words tumble over themselves in a torrent of soul-baring emotion as he concedes, and immediately counters, the harshness of his last words to her, by telling her how she pervades his zehen hrough and through. Ending, with the stunning declaration: Allah kasam, hum aapse mohabbat karte hain!

I don't know about Allah, who is all knowing, but you could have knocked me down with a feather. It seemed that the ghostly Jodha felt exactly the same, for her face looks more stunned and still than moved. She is possibly pinching her spectral form to make sure she was actually hearing all this.

More in the same vein follows, all of it decidedly accusatory in tone: Hamare seene mein dil jagaakar aapko koyi haq nahin banta ise todkar jaane ka!...Aap aisa kucch bhi nahin karengi.. Aapko apni zindagi par koyi haq nahin hai ! (I was saying to myself : Now this takes the cake! ).

Jalal next shifts to open emotional blackmail to rout Jodha's aloof and depressing pronouncements about shanti, santrushti, vivah ke vachanon ki laaj rakhna, bhagya ka vidhan, and finally even a mysterious new vachan given to God alone knows whom (strangely reminiscent of Jalal's so-called zubaan that he would not touch Jodha without her consent) that if need be, she would be ready to give up her life to save his.

He enters the arena firing on all cylinders. Humein aapki zaroorat hai!.. Agar aap rahi to hum rahenge, agar aap chalee gayee to hum bhi zinda nahin rahenge!...

Game point. Game to Jalal.

Then the most vital assertion of them all, the one which now lies at the very heart of their present and future relationship. An assertion that Jalal makes confidently on behalf of Jodha as well as on his own.

Ab hamara ek doosre se hi wajood hai.. Aapke bina hum nahin, aur hamare bina aap nahin..

This is his version of her marriage vow: aapse hi hamara sowbhagya hai. For now he knows, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that that if his Jodha Begum were to die, something vital in him would die with her, that he would never be whole again.

He also knows, this too without the shadow of a doubt, that Jodha too would not survive without him. That this was why she did not mind dying if that could save him, for though she would be no more, that would, for her, be preferable to surviving without him.

Set point. Set to Jalal.

When Jodha's rooh, by now convinced that is ziddi insaan ko manaakar wapas bhejna us ke bas ki baat nahin hai, mumbles halfheartedly that they (not, be it noted, he alone) can do nothing against Bhagya ka vidhaan, and that he will be able to do nothing, that he is not the Shahenshah in the Parlok, the unfazed Jalal comes back with a clincher.

Coopting the Almighty to his campaign, he asserts that if there is indeed the Bhagwan (he does not say Khuda, for he wants to speak her language on this) before whom she, he and all of humanity bow their heads and who listens to all their dua and grants all their mannat, then Woh aapko kahin nahin jaane dega!

Match point, Match to Jalal.

And so, like the mythical Orpheus, who was able to persuade the King of the Underworld, Pluto, to let him take his dead wife Eurydice back to the world of the living, Jalal too fights for Jodha and with Jodha, and literally drags his beloved back from the very gates of the other world by the sheer force of his will.

Jalal dominates throughout, with the lion's share of all those splendid lines , with his voice alternating, pitch perfectly, between raw pain and desolation, near panic and never say die determination, with his relentlessly combative body language . And Jodha, her marble stillness and aloof dismissiveness hiding deep hurts, soft but firm in her desire to leave the world for good, provides a superb counterpoint.

Her large dark eyes reflect her changing emotions in their shadowy depths - a hope for peace and calm content that she herself does not seem to believe in, incredulous, frozen surprise at Jalal's declaration Hum aapse mohabbat karte hain, then, as he clings stubbornly to his mool mantra, Hum aapko nahin jaane denge, a dawning hope against hope.

The dark eyes become soft and tender as he comes to the crucial Aapke bina hum nahin, aur hamare bina aap nahin.. And when he ropes in Bhagwan to grant him the dearest wish of his heart, a lone tear escapes them and her eyes smile ever so tremulously.

Jalal has won what was perhaps his toughest battle of them all, the battle for the soul of the woman he has learnt to love.

Back in the land of the living, Jodha's hand stirs in Jalal's, her lips part, her chest heaves with laboured breathing. She is back where she belongs, with him.

A gorgeous passage, was it not?

The rest: This time, apart from the "soul talk" passage, I watched the other parts as a critic would. I was struck anew by how Rajat used his eyes and his voice to splendid effect throughout.

At the Shafikhana & with the awaam: In the scene where Jalal comes to the Shahi Shafikhana to check on Jodha's treatment, he flinches visibly at the sight of her being rolled from side to side, wrapped tightly like a mummy, above a steaming cauldron. His eyes reflect tension and helpless anguish.

As he waits for the Hakim sahiba, eyes downcast to avoid seeing Jodha being so handled, the hidden fear lurking in them is clearly visible, and his voice is hoarse and strained. After he has peremptorily extracted the truth from her, his eyes look desolate and even more hopeless. The hoarse voice is even hoarser as he instructs Atgah Khan to summon the awaam to meet him.

While addressing the people, his voice becomes almost suspended, but there are no tears. His grief is not for public consumption, not even for his immediate family, bar his Ammijaan. Still the tremulous voice betrays his inner anguish, and I wondered whether a Shahenshah should thus bare his sufferings to the public, where it could be taken as evidence of weakness. But there could be two opinions on this.

The two takhliyas he utters to clear Jodha's sickroom, the second, in an unchanged tone, for Ruqaiya, are the last word in absolute authority.

A great actor needs to be able to use his voice like a fine tuned instrument, and his eyes as well. Rajat can do both.

The Kanha flashback : This was never shown before. Jodha once scolds Jalal for not removing his jootis when Mynavati is visiting them at Agra and they are pretending to be lovey dovey. Then, in the scene where Jodha smashes the glass vase, during the dature ka ark track, Jalal himself remembers and removes his shoes before entering the puja area. So this scene of today would have had to be before the dature ka ark track.

It was so refreshing to have the old, teasing, exasperating Jalal back, if only for a few instants.

Now for the beautiful scene of Jalal lighting the extinguished diya in front of Jodha's Kanha, painstakingly doing the aarti, and finally folding his hands in prayer to beseech Kanha to make her regain consciousness. We, the viewers, are by now a spoilt lot. We are now so used to Rajat doing such sequences to perfection that the tenderness and aching sense of loss he brought to this one must have been almost taken for granted. It should not be so.

Hamida and not Mahaam: Lashy had highlighted the significance of the fact that, in contrast to all the prior occasions when Jalal faced a great loss and deep grief, when he had invariably turned to his Badiammi for solace, this time, he did not turn to or even look once at Mahaam. Instead, though he did not seek her out, still it was Hamida Banu who held him close at the end of the above scene and sought to reassure him that all would be well in the end. It was a very pleasant change.

Not that I think Mahaam is going anywhere any time soon. I am sure Ashwini has a 400 episode contract with Balaji, and then again, whom could they possibly find who could match Mahaam Anga for the sheer malevolent brilliances of her take on Lucrezia Borgia and Catherine de Medicis rolled into one?

Shaguni Bai: She turns out to be more like a modern politician than a medieval seer. After reams of golden prophecies about how Jodha would help change the face of Hindustan and would go down in legend and song, she now faces the poor, tormented Dadisaa with the Delphic pronouncement: Kucch to samapt hoga, nasht hoga! Ya toh Jodha ka jeevan, ya uske jeevan ko lekar aapka bhay. If I had been Daadisa, I would grabbed Kali Maa's trishul and speared Shaguni Bai with it good and proper.

Hakim sahiba or medieval shrink? : Where on earth does the Mughal imperial HR department find their Shahi Hakims? The mardana one during the post-tiger attack phase was terminally incompetent, and was hugely relieved when his senior from Gwalior arrived.

The present zenani specimen looks for all the world like an undertaker's assistant, with a long lugubrious face that constantly seems to presage doom and disaster. She can surely induce depression even in a comatose patient. Just having such a woman at her bedside would have been enough to make Jodha pack her bags for the other world!

And then the Hakim sahiba's sudden turn as a (medieval) shrink, intoning solemnly that she could not pull Jodha thru because Jodha has lost her will to live, was pretentious nonsense. How on earth can the Hakima, who knows very little about Jodha, and nothing about her state of mind, make such pronouncements on something so intimate and sensitive?

Very likely, Jodha was dying of a large dose of very strong poison (Benazir must have spat out all the venom she could summon up, just to make sure the dose worked on the Shahenshah), and since the antidote was administered so late, her body could not fight the poison well enough.

Jodha reproachfully reminding Jalal, during the soul talk scene, of his harsh comments is one thing. For the Hakima to suddenly start spouting such pseudo-psychiatrist jargon in an attempt to cloak her incompetence was way too much.

It was interesting that both she and Shaguni Bai finally hit on prayer as a prescription for what looked like a a lost case. Thus neatly shifting the blame for the eventual calamity to the Almighty!

What lies ahead: I really do not care if Ruqaiya bursts a blood vessel at being refused entry to Jodha's sickroom, or what the strangely inert Salima Begum (she did absolutely nothing to stop Jodha from poisoning herself) gets up to, or what happens to Mahaam and/or Adham, not to speak of Abul Mali.

I am off to take another look at that garden promo. So should you, online if not onscreen. It is a sight for sore eyes!

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Shyamala, this is my take regarding the soul talk of yesterday - Jalal getting Jodha back

Firstly this is Jalal's perspective and hence we have to disregard anything Jodha says as coming from her - it is purely Jalal's assumption.

Secondly, I go with you over the Hakima sahiba's statement - she is not a psychiatrist or a psychologist and neither does she know anything about or that happened to Jodha to make that sweeping statement that the Queen has no reason to live or has lost the will to live - It is perhaps her way of saying that the Queen's fight for survival has lost intensity due to loosing strength - this is very similar to a woman childbirthing where she tends to get tired and hence there are others around who motivate her to not just bring the baby out but also fight for her own life - Jodha is in a similar mental situation where she is fighting to push the effects of the poison out but has become tired and needs the motivation and enthusiasm to continue her fight - She is not a loser. She is a fighter.

So what did the Emperor do? I have always said that this man understands human nature better than anyone else - and I am floored by the way the writers proved this yesterday!!! - The entire soul talk was the Emperor providing that much needed motivation and passion for life to Jodha to 'Make that Final Push' (pun intended) - And that is why we do not see him pleading or begging but see him angry and ready to fight - Those words were not for him or from his pov - they were hers and from her pov!!! He makes his own words come from Jodha only becoz he feels that when a person is tired and is at the last point of his / her strength its the negatives that tend to hold one down and make one give up - Jodha used those words in the DEK becoz she was at the end of her tether trying to find a way to save his life - she is now at the end of her strength and he realises that those words have the potency to make her give up - hence the words, which he assumes are what making her give up, to which he counters with the spirit of fight that he knows she has, which can get her going for the final assault - And if you note, She is still and looking at him even as he extorts her in the Astral level - very similar to someone gathering that last bit of their strength and make that final attack - taking that great breath in and pushing all the effects of the poison out. And that mohabbat confession was not just for him or from him - it was for her and from her - As you Shayamala have pointed, he has already told her that their wajood is now from the other - It was making her fight to get back to Love and Life.

Today's conversation will be all the more interesting becoz we are not and I repeat not going to get a word of Love or any such from the Emperor. What we may get is more of that which will make the Chudail mad and want to fight him and get back to her 'I will not give a quarter' mode!!!
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Aunty
I've already cried all over your previous thread. I don't want to dampen this as well.

The soul talk was picture perfect with good performance by pari and a brilliant one by rajat. (What is new anyway. He IS spoiling us). But I don't know why I couldn't connect. Lashy explained well and painstakingly yesterday but I still stand at the same spot.

It was that hakima's jeene ka maqsad I think. Had she simply said we cant do anything further and jalal made a last ditch gisa pita effort it would have been okay. But that jkm charred the syrup for me. Why should she lose the reason to live.

I didn't find the whole scene necessary either. He could have added those dialogues in his desperate prayers. yesterday. It was way too dramatic and would have been apt had he been a devil upto now refusing to see or do any good to her so far and coming to his senses for the first time now. I wish poison and mohan were interchanged. It would have also explained his saintliness in Amer.

How do they communicate to the awaam that assembles pronto. Don't they sleep at night.

I saw the promo too. I am afraid that a poodle is all that is going to be left. 😕. Of course i don't want a jallad again but a smart emperor also seems a tall order now. I am happy that everyone else enjoyed it.

And yes Salima fell below ruqaiya on monday with her silence.
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And yes even I have seen the new promo and the new spoiler which says Jalal will be emotional and Jodha will console and blah blah blah, but here I am, waiting to be surprised today!!!

And as I have been saying, the Emperor will not speak of love yet - that will be a burden he will carry alone till the Chudail decides to push it of him and carry it along with him - since I do believe it is the Chudail's job to make her Emperor believe that she 'WANTS' to do so!!!
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Shyamala Akka, I didn't watch the episode properly but did watch the bits I liked.
You always do a thorough review so that I can pick and choose.


and yeah! ... what was that Salima Begum, my other fave person NOT doing?


Hakim Sahiba, it's true is not a shrink. But did you see how Jalal said Takliya? ... He kept his voice at chocolaty levels while keeping his eyes on Jodha. Not obsessed lover look... psychiatrist deciding on the best approach look.



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lovely post...but i was just wondering and i am sure u can shed some light on this...if u look at mahams expression for the past episode she seems to be tensed and kind of lost in the entire things gng around her. is she scared that no matter what jodha may regain her position as jalals fav begum or is it that jalal may not trust her anymore bcz she could not c the danger which came in the name of ben aunty and maham was one who said that she is a gift to jalal so tat he can be distracted.

anyways as u mentioned i just saw the new promo and it was like having a lovely,iced drink after a long,hot day out...ur post also is nothing less than a refreshing drink.thank u.⭐️
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Like Hanuman announcing to Lord Rama , on his return after the Lanka Dahan, Dekha Sitaji ko, the Dekha coming first to spare Rama even that one extra second of worry, let me tell you that All ij well! ( apologies to the Three Idiots).

Yayyy! 😛

The new promo: Caring togetherness: We now have it from the metaphorical horse's mouth that there is to be no reversion to the chilliness and acrid exchanges of old between Jalal and Jodha.

The latest promo, which aired just now on Zee, is tailormade to cheer us all up. It shows Jalal, supporting Jodha with his arm around her shoulders, leading her on a walk in the gardens. They are then shown seated , and when her hand is being dipped in (presumably warm) water, he puts his own hand in to touch hers. She does not withdraw her own, and smiles slightly at him. Lastly, she is sitting in a garden seat and Jalal, standing behind her, drapes that red velvet shawl round her . She looks up at him, her eyes soft, tranquil and smiling, while his are warm but a tad hesitant, though hopeful.

Jodha is in the simplest possible attire, with next to no jewellery and her hair open, and so she looks as lovely as she did the night of the shove, like a reincarnated Madhubala.

I know aunty ... only hope it doesn't turn out to be like that MOhan promo they aired... and nothing happened!

Also, the caring montage has been shown very dignified - he's reserved (to the happenings, his mistake and their fate) while the silent smile on her lips shows acknowledgement (of his changes, admittances and their relationship!) What could be more dignified than this? 😳


Ab hamara ek doosre se hi wajood hai: Let us go back a bit to last night. It would be hard to improve on Lashy's highly emotional post on it, and this is really an afterthought triggered by the new promo. Rather like sewing a vest on a button ! So please bear with me as I try a different approach to last night's episode.

Of course I have to begin with what is being called, for lack of a better term, the "soul talk". At least, it seemed certain that the rooh in blue was Jodha Begum's, but seeing the brash aggressiveness of Jalal throughout that segment, I am not sure it was his rooh at all.

Surely the rooh of even such a great conqueror would be more subdued in the other world, just as one instinctively lowers one's voice in a place of worship? Jalal's whatever-it-is, on the contrary, steadily raises the decibel level, and by the end, he is hollering at her and the Almighty alike.

It is thus more that likely that Jalal has, by throwing his imperial weight around, bullied the guardians of the gates to the Parlok into letting him in.

I loved it that Jalal did not beg or plead for Jodha not to leave him. Neither with Jodha, nor with Kismat/Bhagya or even with God.

YESSS I loved it

while he was literally on all fours in the dargah, begging in front of the Lord...when he stood in front of her, he stood tall.. holding her hand with authority...the kind that only a husband can have...

While he accepts in the Dargah and to his mother that IT WAS ALL HIS FAULT, and pleads with the Lord to have HIM punished instead..when he appears in front of her...when he sees his stubborn Begum walking away his tone changes...his pleas translate to 'Hukum'...they transform to 'I might have wronged you, but...I don't give you the right to punish me so...'

'Do you think you can break my heart and walk off just because of the heartbreaks I gave you? No way... I'm not letting YOU do that.. I'm not letting the Almighty do that...because we are ONE! I am not accepting defeat...'

(incidentally, he called her Jodha Begum 37 times during that passage, often twice in a single sentence. This is the rule for all their conversations. Does he think she has forgotten her name, or that he is danger of forgetting it?😉)

ROFL do I giggle at the fact you've counted it or that he's uttered it over and over!😆

Ab hamara ek doosre se hi wajood hai.. Aapke bina hum nahin, aur hamare bina aap nahin..

This is his version of her marriage vow: aapse hi hamara sowbhagya hai. For now he knows, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that that if his Jodha Begum were to die, something vital in him would die with her, that he would never be whole again.

He also knows, this too without the shadow of a doubt, that Jodha too would not survive without him. That this was why she did not mind dying if that could save him, for though she would be no more, that would, for her, be preferable to surviving without him.

Exactly... 😃

Coopting the Almighty to his campaign, he asserts that if there is indeed the Bhagwan (he does not say Khuda, for he wants to speak her language on this) before whom she, he and all of humanity bow their heads and who listens to all their dua and grants all their mannat, then Woh aapko kahin nahin jaane dega!

How touching.. and loved how you've phrased it bit by bit...what a lovely read, aunty!😳

Jalal dominates throughout, with the lion's share of all those splendid lines , with his voice alternating, pitch perfectly, between raw pain and desolation, near panic and never say die determination, with his relentlessly combative body language . And Jodha, her marble stillness and aloof dismissiveness hiding deep hurts, soft but firm in her desire to leave the world for good, provides a superb counterpoint.

Her large dark eyes reflect her changing emotions in their shadowy depths - a hope for peace and calm content that she herself does not seem to believe in, incredulous, frozen surprise at Jalal's declaration Hum aapse mohabbat karte hain, then, as he clings stubbornly to his mool mantra, Hum aapko nahin jaane denge, a dawning hope against hope.

The dark eyes become soft and tender as he comes to the crucial Aapke bina hum nahin, aur hamare bina aap nahin.. And when he ropes in Bhagwan to grant him the dearest wish of his heart, a lone tear escapes them and her eyes smile ever so tremulously.

Exactly... many wonder how the sudden transition from the Jodha Begum of last week to one that's ready to die.. but, I say where's it sudden.. till the very last episode she kept mentioning the point that she had NO problem sacrificing her life if it meant saving his! She's cried in front of Kanha and to herself...she's shown deep concern, gratitude and care for the support system in her life...and with this support system not there for her...she's been barely existing and not living the past few weeks...

So, even though she willingly didn't take her life just because Jalal spurned/humiliated her... she definitely is satisfied that she did her duty well and has no NEED to fight to come back... she tried to convince him otherwise for long...but, when he didn't relent, she possibly reached the tip of her breaking point with this and decided to walk off - leaving Jalal (and letting herself) be in peace - in a content way (not out of spite)...

Jodha's calm questioning of him also seemed like a mischievous test - to see how far Jalal the lover would go to get her back...she had this bit of 'let's see how genuine your words are' look during the later half...

As for her confessing, I don't think its happening any time soon (and maybe not his too) they both have sensed what they are to each other, but in typical drama/serial world, those feelings will take a long time to transform into words...

In IPKKND serial, there was a famous Holi scene where Arnav and Khushi confessed their dhak dhak feelings to each other in an intoxicated state - but, woke up to know nothing much about it... the actual confession came months later... I have a feeling there might be something like this here too... after all its was their inner-consciences speaking...still a few episodes at least till its their lips that does the talking!

Jalal has won what was perhaps his toughest battle of them all, the battle for the soul of the woman he has learnt to love.

Back in the land of the living, Jodha's hand stirs in Jalal's, her lips part, her chest heaves with laboured breathing. She is back where she belongs, with him.

A gorgeous passage, was it not?

Undoubtedly!😳

The two takhliyas he utters to clear Jodha's sickroom, the second, in an unchanged tone, for Ruqaiya, are the last word in absolute authority.

A great actor needs to be able to use his voice like a fine tuned instrument, and his eyes as well. Rajat can do both.

I think we all loved the takhliyas!😆

The Kanha flashback : scene of today would have had to be before the dature ka arktrack.

It was so refreshing to have the old, teasing, exasperating Jalal back, if only for a few instants.

I know - precisely why I said...the first thing he'd miss of her is her 'taunts' and bhashans! 😛

Hamida and not Mahaam: Lashy had highlighted the significance of the fact that, in contrast to all the prior occasions when Jalal faced a great loss and deep grief, when he had invariably turned to his Badiammi for solace, this time, he did not turn to or even look once at Mahaam. Instead, though he did not seek her out, still it was Hamida Banu who held him close at the end of the above scene and sought to reassure him that all would be well in the end. It was a very pleasant change.

Not that I think Mahaam is going anywhere any time soon. I am sure Ashwini has a 400 episode contract with Balaji, and then again, whom could they possibly find who could match Mahaam Anga for the sheer malevolent brilliances of her take on Lucrezia Borgia and Catherine de Medicis rolled into one?

True... there'll be NO ONE who can replace Maham as the villain just like none can replace Jalal or Jodha as the leads...

Hakim sahiba or medieval shrink? :

And then the Hakim sahiba's sudden turn as a (medieval) shrink, intoning solemnly that she could not pull Jodha thru because Jodha has lost her will to live, was pretentious nonsense. How on earth can the Hakima, who knows very little about Jodha, and nothing about her state of mind, make such pronouncements on something so intimate and sensitive?

But aunty, this is hardly anything new..Indian television and movies thrive on such 'miraculous climaxes' all the time..how many times must have we heard a white-coat doctor in the 21st century making such statements as 'Dawaa ki nahin dua ki zaroorat hai' and 'Only a miracle can help her' and 'Jaise unko jeene ki chaah hi nahin hai'

Here in the West, if someone made such statements, people would die of hyper-laughteromia!

Having said that, it brings me back to my chiti who passed away last year - what my mother said of her (when she'd sat beside her for her last 20 days) was that she'd lost the will to fight... fell silent (this was even before the doc proclaimed there isn't much hope) stopped smiling and barely ate...

My chithi was a very happy person, from a very loving family, very brave/positive and had a very good life - but, when death knocks on your door - you possibly know it... and maybe that instils a fear that none of us really can fathom😭

What lies ahead: I really do not care if Ruqaiya bursts a blood vessel at being refused entry to Jodha's sickroom, or what the strangely inert Salima Begum (she did absolutely nothing to stop Jodha from poisoning herself) gets up to, or what happens to Mahaam and/or Adham, not to speak of Abul Mali.

I am off to take another look at that garden promo. So should you, online if not onscreen. It is a sight for sore eyes!

Mwah! 😛




Edited by lashy - 12 years ago
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Well, Cuddly Bear, even if he was playing at being a shrink,he did a much better job of it than that prophet of doom and gloom. He simply harangued and bullied and emotionally blackmailed Jodha's rooh into coming back to the Agra pagalkhana!

Shyamala Akka

Originally posted by: PadBear

Shyamala Akka, I didn't watch the episode properly but did watch the bits I liked.

You always do a thorough review so that I can pick and choose.
and yeah! ... what was that Salima Begum, my other fave person NOT doing?
Hakim Sahiba, it's true is not a shrink. But did you see how Jalal said Takliya? ... He kept his voice at chocolaty levels while keeping his eyes on Jodha. Not obsessed lover look... psychiatrist deciding on the best approach look.


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Lovely Aunty😃 Loved your analysis. Jalal saying Jodha Begum 37 times. Oh God, you are a real JA fan and an even bigger Rajat fan😆
This is what I felt and posted it in Lashy's thread too.😛
Loved the first scene where we saw Jallu-Jo nok-jhok (after a really long time) and then Jallu lighting up the diya and doing the aarti. Loved the brief Hamida-Jalal scene. Though there was not much talking, the scene said it all. (Wonderful! More of Hamida around Jalal than MA) Well, I was eager to know what is Shahi Shafa khana, and I saw it yesterday. While seeing Pari, I could draw parallels with chicken being grilled😆 Jokes apart, if that is what was done in reality, then hats off to our purvaj for discovering and trying such techniques to separate poison from the body.
However the best scene for me was the last one. Jallu saying takliya to all including Ruq was so very good. Though the entire idea of Jo departing to heaven was filmy, the conversation was so so beautiful that I could really relate to it. Jo was standing all calm and peaceful as she knew she had done her duty. She had lost all hope or might be she didn't want to return back, due to the pricking words of Jallu (they should these dialogues twice - now and before Jo consumed poison). Jallu was quite contrasting - teary eyed, showed anger, pleaded a bit and also showed hope by saying that he loves her and cannot live without her. The lone smile that came from Jo was when Jallu said that he has dil now and she is in it. The lone tear that trickled from one of her eye was when he said that her beloved Kanha will pull from death. During their entire conversation, they had an unwavering, direct eyelock. Wow! I actually relished that scene. It was like hope against no hope. In fact I enjoyed this scene, more than the dargah scene. Personally, I so very much loved it. Here, Paridhi and Rajat where awesome and I applaud them for pulling this scene so beautifully. Both are just apt for their title roles.
In reality, I know when Jo wakes up, the situation and the dialogues might differ. We might not get to see a confession. In fact maybe he or she will be angry or maybe there would be a sorry part or hesitation. But nevertheless, the episode was good for me. A continuation of Tuesday's episode.
The one thing that I missed there was Shaguni bai. I actually laughed when I saw her. Finally she makes her grand entry. By the way, I am missing Mainavati.😕 Where has she disappeared? Not during Shivani-HM marriage and not even now. Here it is Dadisa who is getting these nasty dreams and not her. Maybe she is on leave😆
Edited by Pals2411 - 12 years ago
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Kid, there is no pleasing you, it seems! What is wrong with a husband escorting his convalescing wife on a walk in the garden and then wrapping her up against the cold wind? If I was 40 years or a bit more younger, I would have been delighted to take Jodha's place! There was nothing poodle like about it, sweetheart, don't be crabby for nothing!😉 And you know how sharply critical of Jalal's poodlishness (sic) I have been in the past. But not this time.

As I wrote here, the Hakima's pronouncements were nonsense. And this pulling a person back from near death thru force of will is a common enough theme in literature. Rajat was brilliant and i enjoyed it even better on the second viewing,unlike the mazhar scene the day before, which was painful.

As for the awaam, did you not see how thin the attendance was as compared to the last occasion when they bayed for Adham's blood in the end? It must have been too late at night.

Shyamala Aunty


Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

Aunty

I've already cried all over your previous thread. I don't want to dampen this as well.

The soul talk was picture perfect with good performance by pari and a brilliant one by rajat. (What is new anyway. He IS spoiling us). But I don't know why I couldn't connect. Lashy explained well and painstakingly yesterday but I still stand at the same spot.

It was that hakima's jeene ka maqsad I think. Had she simply said we cant do anything further and jalal made a last ditch gisa pita effort it would have been okay. But that jkm charred the syrup for me. Why should she lose the reason to live.

I didn't find the whole scene necessary either. He could have added those dialogues in his desperate prayers. yesterday. It was way too dramatic and would have been apt had he been a devil upto now refusing to see or do any good to her so far and coming to his senses for the first time now. I wish poison and mohan were interchanged. It would have also explained his saintliness in Amer.

How do they communicate to the awaam that assembles pronto. Don't they sleep at night.

I saw the promo too. I am afraid that a poodle is all that is going to be left. 😕. Of course i don't want a jallad again but a smart emperor also seems a tall order now. I am happy that everyone else enjoyed it.

And yes Salima fell below ruqaiya on monday with her silence.

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