Jodha Akbar - Duty vs Love, Kartavya aur Prem, Farz aur Ishq

yes both should realize why they risk there lives for each other i-e the tiger attack & poison drinking its there duty or love ?
& the distance should be needed till they realize

Interesting take- and I am pretty sure Jodha will tell it was her kartavya and chinta. However, I would say Jalal is in the same boat- when he saved Jodha from her suicide he said he was doing his duty as an emperor and saving the empire from shame and when he saved Jodha in the fake pregnancy track he also said do not think I did this because I love for you.

yes u r right

My dear Adiana,

You are exactly like the child in The Emperor's New Clothes that saw the very uncomfortable truth, and announced it to the world at large.

Here, you loudly announce, to the alarm and dismay of most, that there is an 800 pound gorilla in the room. Here it is Jodha's persistent, ego-driven pretence that she is doing all this for her patnidharma.

You are dead right when you say that for any kind of love story, this sham will have to be dispensed with, and by Jodha, openly and unashamedly to Jalal himself.

His last words to her today were like a child yelling at its mother I hate you! I wish you were dead! The words mean nothing. Only the anger and the hurt behind them mean a lot. And there is a lot of both.

Jodha will have to neutralise that hurt, and since Jalal might very well interpret her protecting him as an act of duty, things can be cleared up between them only if she comes clean on her real motives.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: adianasr

Seems all are expecting a Jalal prostrate for Jodha when she does her act of poison drinking.

Well I for one am highly skeptical. To me today's dialogue from Jalal seems to be an indication that the man may keep his distance - I really hope he does infact.

And why do I say this?

Well the Answer comes from Jodha's Rasoi!!! She has been spouting Kartavya, vachan, patni-dharm blah blah blah all over the palace especially to her Shahenshah, where all these vachans were of paramount importance to her, since she made them to her Maasa, Bapusa, her Amer, Saasuma and all sundry others (wonder what happened to the vachans she made to her Pati - oh forgot even those she made for her Bhaisa and her Amer).

With her act of poison drinking, she will hammer the final nail in the Farz coffin in which she will bury Jalal - The man and the Emperor will now really really believe that he is nothing more than a Duty. Why would I then expect him to not keep his distance???

Infact Jodha needs this distance that Jalal should maintain to realise what she really and truly wants and then break the glass of Duty that she herself has put up. If we want to see a love story it has to be with Jodha making her Shahenshah understand that there was no Duty involved at all - It was all about Love - a deep, burning and passionate Love - warna it is better that the man keeps his distance.

And by drinking that vish ka pyaala she does not proove any Love - she only reiterates Kartavya.

Originally posted by: adianasr

Seems all are expecting a Jalal prostrate for Jodha when she does her act of poison drinking.

Well I for one am highly skeptical. To me today's dialogue from Jalal seems to be an indication that the man may keep his distance - I really hope he does infact.

And why do I say this?

Well the Answer comes from Jodha's Rasoi!!! She has been spouting Kartavya, vachan, patni-dharm blah blah blah all over the palace especially to her Shahenshah, where all these vachans were of paramount importance to her, since she made them to her Maasa, Bapusa, her Amer, Saasuma and all sundry others (wonder what happened to the vachans she made to her Pati - oh forgot even those she made for her Bhaisa and her Amer).

With her act of poison drinking, she will hammer the final nail in the Farz coffin in which she will bury Jalal - The man and the Emperor will now really really believe that he is nothing more than a Duty. Why would I then expect him to not keep his distance???

Infact Jodha needs this distance that Jalal should maintain to realise what she really and truly wants and then break the glass of Duty that she herself has put up. If we want to see a love story it has to be with Jodha making her Shahenshah understand that there was no Duty involved at all - It was all about Love - a deep, burning and passionate Love - warna it is better that the man keeps his distance.

And by drinking that vish ka pyaala she does not proove any Love - she only reiterates Kartavya.

Jodha says one thing but means another. So if she says Kartavya it means Pyar.

Anu, this trait of Jodha's is contagious, it seems. We will, methinks, now need TWO dictionaries.

Today, at the very end of that Restore Jodha Begum's Hoojra operation, there was a faint dawning hope in Jodha's eyes as she listened to Moti telling her that she is sad because though she has got her rooms back, Shehanshah is kaksh mein ab kabhi nahin aayenge... tumhein unka apnapan nahin milega (a strange comment even for a sakhi to make, and all the more depressing in the flat voice of hers, devoid of any nuances).

It was the hope that Jalal really does not mean what he says but, as he accuses her of doing, means the opposite. When he says that he gives her no ahemiyat. When he says that the very sight of her disgusts him now. When he says that he will not turn back and look at her even if she was no more.

After all, she can see that his getting her rooms back to her has nothing to do with the ostensible reason he advances, preserving the zubaan he gave her regarding her freedom to practice her religion. She can worship her Kanha just as well in another hoojra.

No, he gets her back to her old rooms because he cannot bear that catch in her voice as she talks, with angry resignation, of her request that the diya be left to burn itself out was refused. Nor can he bear it that she should think him capable of such petty meanness.

Jodha, despite longstanding evidence to the contrary, is not a fool, and she can see all this and interpret it too.

What he says at the very end is like a child yelling at its mother I hate you! I wish you were dead! The words mean nothing. Only the anger and the hurt behind them mean a lot. And there is a lot of both. I do not think Jodha took them at all seriously".

Shyamala

Originally posted by: prejudiced

Jodha says one thing but means another. So if she says Kartavya it means Pyar.

While we will go back and forth dissecting her dictionary as she unleashes new terminology each day , our Jalaal is beginning to understand that and hence is highly puzzled about the shove.

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Anu, this trait of Jodha's is contagious, it seems. We will, methinks, now need TWO dictionaries.😆😆😆😆 Quite possible

Today, at the very end of that Restore Jodha Begum's Hoojra operation, there was a faint dawning hope in Jodha's eyes as she listened to Moti telling her that she is sad because though she has got her rooms back, Shehanshah is kaksh mein ab kabhi nahin aayenge... tumhein unka apnapan nahin milega (a strange comment even for a sakhi to make, and all the more depressing in the flat voice of hers, devoid of any nuances).

It was the hope that Jalal really does not mean what he says but, as he accuses her of doing, means the opposite. When he says that he gives her no ahemiyat. When he says that the very sight of her disgusts him now. When he says that he will not turn back and look at her even if she was no more.

After all, she can see that his getting her rooms back to her has nothing to do with the ostensible reason he advances, preserving the zubaan he gave her regarding her freedom to practice her religion. She can worship her Kanha just as well in another hoojra.You are right, I wondered about that too...
No, he gets her back to her old rooms because he cannot bear that catch in her voice as she talks, with angry resignation, of her request that the diya be left to burn itself out was refused. Nor can he bear it that she should think him capable of such petty meanness.

Jodha, despite longstanding evidence to the contrary, is not a fool, and she can see all this and interpret it too.

What he says at the very end is like a child yelling at its mother I hate you! I wish you were dead! The words mean nothing. Only the anger and the hurt behind them mean a lot. And there is a lot of both. I do not think Jodha took them at all seriously".Thankfully this one we don't have to keep wondering... we will know very soon in 2-3 episodes if he meant it or not, if he breaks it or not, if he gives his words a post mortem or not...After she faints in his arms, we will know what he does...Take her to her Hojra? If so will he go check or her? If not is this the creative way of making them use the same Hojra for a short while by him taking her to his chamber?

Shyamala