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Posted: 12 years ago
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Morally and ethically, whatever Champa did i yesterday episode was wrong but practically she was right. However instead of speaking ill about Sugni there she just could have chosen to abstain from the whole drama citing some practical reasons to Aditya as well but for progressing the story and keeping up the suspense creatives chose this way.
But I liked the whole scene. Often, we have to take such tests when we have to keep aside what ethics dictate to us and choose practicality in order to survive. That is what is called reality where nothing is ideal. We try to judge others on the basis of ethics and morals but we often ignore their helplessness. For being completely ethical you have to be brave enough because it is walking a tight rope and living on the edge. On the contrary being practical is easy because you act according to circumstances and that becomes the excuse of your doings.
Sugni is an idealist. I would call her the most ethical person in this story. That is why she is always facing so many trials because she does not want to be practical and adaptive. Her situation is worsened by her impulsive and foolhardy nature. She is so naive,simple and straight forward that she sees things either as black or white. But in reality, black and white do not exist. Only shades of gray we do find.She is altruistic to the extent of hurting herself. And that altruism does not fetch her any recognition or kind words because of her impulsive way of executing things.. Though she has been bashed a lot in the forum and I too was unkind to her when she did not take her mother's warning seriously regarding Vikram thakur and when she decided to spend the night with Vikram in order to save Aditya yet I totally find Sugni a realistic character. There are people like her existing in the world and it is difficult for them to live in this world.Either they need to turn manipulative and diplomatic or perish in the struggle for existence.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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We are being failed to understand her actions because she does things that ruin her and others in future, she could LEAVE long ago but she chose to marry aditiya the nephew of Vikram sorry I cant understand this action of marrying with gun and just because vikram said why those women cant remain of one man sugni's ego was hurt and she got married to adi, cant understand why she cant say sorry even to her mother after the marriage broke with vikram she never said Mom im sorry, nor to Amrita nor to Vikram Nor to Maa thakur that she lie to her. Sugni rush and does things without thinking about what is going to happen.

She fights because she is thakurain but champa is no body just think about it what would happen after the truth come out mean champa would say she was raped ? Sugni would forget / gain her husband trust and love again n and champa would be alone to deal with JT and his son, champa's truth would come out and who knows may be other thakur whould like to use her after this ... her life would become hell after this but I dont think sugni would care about it after that how would she support champa and save her from this ??
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Completely agree with you. Characters like Sugni are more realistic. I dunno, maybe people expect the main character to be this amazing god like creature that never makes any mistake. I would say this though, Sugni isn't manipulative, but she is very simple minded. When she thinks of doing something doesn't matter if it;s right or wrong for her personally, she doesn't think about the situation or adapts to it, like you said. She does whatever she thought of doing previously no matter what, even if it means it will hurt her or other people in the end.

I dunno why people call her selfish and greedy. I mean, a person who is selfish only thinks about themselves and how they could do things that would benefit them! Because every decision she has made has put her more in harms way, and have made people around her hate her more and more. A selfish person wouldn't do the things that she has done. She is foolish, she makes stupid decisions, she trusts the wrong people, she has hurt people because of how simple minded she can be, yes, she is all of these things. But selfish, manipulative and somebody who only thinks about themselves and their own comfort? That's not who she is!

I'll say one thing, I am kinda glad she isn't with Adi anymore and I hope it stays that way. I hope Adi goes back to Mumbai.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I didnt call her selfish or greedy
I my self cant understand sugni's actions
why cant she say sorry ? why did she call vikram back if she didnt want to go back to him ? why did she sell her self ?
why does she think its okay to marry some one who has gf and was engaged to her ? why does she think its was okay to sell her self to any thakur and no one would mind it / that person's wife wouldnt mind it ? why she trust reva even she knows reva is oversmart ?
I wish she get one behdni in adi's life so she can understand what others feel and why they hate those ladies
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: ronshaan

We are being failed to understand her actions because she does things that ruin her and others in future, she could LEAVE long ago but she chose to marry aditiya the nephew of Vikram sorry I cant understand this action of marrying with gun and just because vikram said why those women cant remain of one man sugni's ego was hurt and she got married to adi, cant understand why she cant say sorry even to her mother after the marriage broke with vikram she never said Mom im sorry, nor to Amrita nor to Vikram Nor to Maa thakur that she lie to her. Sugni rush and does things without thinking about what is going to happen.

She fights because she is thakurain but champa is no body just think about it what would happen after the truth come out mean champa would say she was raped ? Sugni would forget / gain her husband trust and love again n and champa would be alone to deal with JT and his son, champa's truth would come out and who knows may be other thakur whould like to use her after this ... her life would become hell after this but I dont think sugni would care about it after that how would she support champa and save her from this ??


You're right, at first I was livid when champa lied about Sugni. But she shouldn't have created all this hoo haa over it. She could have said she didn't know what Sugni was talking about. Regardless, what Champa did, THAT is selfish and I'm not against being selfish if it mean saving yourself and your family. I wouldn't hate Champa for it. Sometimes I wish Sugni was selfish like that, too.

As for Sugni marrying Adi because of what Vikram said. I think it did hurt her a lot to hear something like that from the person she thought she loved. What she did was wrong, yes. But she really wasn't in the right frame of mind. I can't really blame her for that either. Its not like if she hadn't married Adi, Vikram would have stopped being a douchebag. I really do miss old Vikram, I hope that now Adi is being a jerk, Vikram would come to his senses and ask her why she tried to have him killed and actually listen to her this time and use his brain!
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Champa is not married to a thakur nor is a thakur in love with her. She has no form of protection. Sugni just wants the truth to be revealed so that she can "save" Kuhu and prove to Aditya that she is "honest".

Champa chose what was best for her situation. Had she revealed the truth, the marriage may or may not have taken place but Sugni would definitely be safe in Vikram's home. Whereas what would be Champa's situation.
Sugni is an impulsive person who never thinks of the consequences of her actions. She has no concern for the people she hurts nor does she ever apologise for her wrong doings. She keeps running into one disaster after another because she has no maturity to think a situation through before acting.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: ronshaan

I didnt call her selfish or greedy

I my self cant understand sugni's actions
why cant she say sorry ? why did she call vikram back if she didnt want to go back to him ? why did she sell her self ?
why does she think its okay to marry some one who has gf and was engaged to her ? why does she think its was okay to sell her self to any thakur and no one would mind it / that person's wife wouldnt mind it ? why she trust reva even she knows reva is oversmart ?
I wish she get one behdni in adi's life so she can understand what others feel and why they hate those ladies


Thing is, from what I have seen, it looks like she does want to say sorry but she just can't find the words or the other person doesn't let her because they feel so betrayed they don't want to listen to what she has to say.

And I agree, I wish that Adi becomes the villain and Vikram goes back to his old self. I think he would once he finds out that it was Reva who tried to have him killed and framed Sugni but they won't do that. :\ Probably going to drag it out until the end!!
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: hunniah


You're right, at first I was livid when champa lied about Sugni. But she shouldn't have created all this hoo haa over it. She could have said she didn't know what Sugni was talking about. Regardless, what Champa did, THAT is selfish and I'm not against being selfish if it mean saving yourself and your family. I wouldn't hate Champa for it. Sometimes I wish Sugni was selfish like that, too.

As for Sugni marrying Adi because of what Vikram said. I think it did hurt her a lot to hear something like that from the person she thought she loved. What she did was wrong, yes. But she really wasn't in the right frame of mind. I can't really blame her for that either. Its not like if she hadn't married Adi, Vikram would have stopped being a douchebag. I really do miss old Vikram, I hope that now Adi is being a jerk, Vikram would come to his senses and ask her why she tried to have him killed and actually listen to her this time and use his brain!

what will she do now when adi said the same thing??
there is no male around that she can go and marry ?
why didnt she try to prove to vikram that she is not what he was thinking ?
why didnt she didnt use the gun to leave ?
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: hunniah


Thing is, from what I have seen, it looks like she does want to say sorry but she just can't find the words or the other person doesn't let her because they feel so betrayed they don't want to listen to what she has to say.

And I agree, I wish that Adi becomes the villain and Vikram goes back to his old self. I think he would once he finds out that it was Reva who tried to have him killed and framed Sugni but they won't do that. :\ Probably going to drag it out until the end!!

did she give any one time to say his words ??
vikram wanted to say his side why he lie but she never listen .. and gulabiya was there with her she could say sorry maaa sorrryyy
vikram was angry but sugni rushed into marrying adi so how would he believe that she and adi had nothing ????
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: ronshaan

what will she do now when adi said the same thing??

there is no male around that she can go and marry ?
why didnt she try to prove to vikram that she is not what he was thinking ?
why didnt she didnt use the gun to leave ?


Because she's stupid and not perfect? Because she didn't think of the consequences since she was in such a state of mind? Because people make mistakes, sure normal people make small mistakes but Sugni is such a simple minded fool, she makes huge life altering mistakes? Because if she had done that, there would be no Sugni/Vikram Vs Sugni/Adi, because executives were hell bent on creating this stupid love/hate triangle? Take you pick!

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