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Posted: 10 years ago
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I loved today's episode, which is saying a lot considering it had so little Abeer-Meher interaction; I am so happy that they are building strong supporting tracks! Even though Meher's dad can be painful to watch, he is such an interesting character and raises such important questions about Meher's family dynamic, which is what I wanted to discuss in this post.

Today's episode made me a fall in love with the relationship between Meher's mother and Bua. I love how they depend on each other for emotional strength and support each other as co-parents to Meher and Tunnu. It's an unconventional family but in many ways a complete one. From their mother, the children learn sensitivity, generosity and humility and they get the discipline, confidence and independence from Bua. Actually the two women make an excellent parenting team which is already evident in the way Meher conducts herself: despite significant pain and loss, she is a mature, successful and emotionally stable individual. This is the kind of stable and sensible guidance that Abeer has never had. He has grown up trying to hide his pain and fight his demons completely on his own, which I think accounts for a lot of his immature behavior.

But here's the catch. Even though the two women have worked together to raise the children, I think it is Bua who has had the dominant voice, which is why she came across as much stronger...until today, when I glimpsed an unseen side to Suman. Her conversation with Meher towards the end of the episode was fascinating to me and made me wonder if she wasn't actually the wisest of them all!

A recurring lesson that keeps popping up for the characters is not to misjudge silence as weakness. Today's episode really made me wonder if we have been doing just that with regards to MM. Meher seems mature in the face of Abeer's daily pettiness, but I think she falls short when compared to her mother. Suman, unlike her daughter never felt the need to prove that she was over her husband, even though he left her in much more damning circumstances, to pursue another relationship. She may not say anything when he turns up but the very fact that she is able to treat his other wife and child with kindness shows that she is above any kind of bitter feeling towards them or him. Unlike Meher who is motivated by vengeful feelings to show Abeer up (therefore taking the Groove job), Suman silently carries on with her life, never seeking out her husband and dealing with him only when he shows up. Given that he is the father of her children, and that is an undeniable relationship, I would argue that her approach is actually very smart. As long as she doesn't engage his nonsense, the worst he can do is show up once in a while, say a few inappropriate things and leave.

On the other hand, the results of Bua's antagonistic way of dealing with him clearly show that he is capable of doing embarrassing and even dangerous things if angered. And there is no denying that the man isn't afraid to stoop to any low and knows just where to hit the hardest. All of Bua's bluster and self-righteousness crumpled in one go today when he brought up the fact that she had no relations of her own. Thats because in the end, most of her strength comes from her pride and ego, a trait she has very visibly instilled in Meher as well. Pride is what made Bua fight so bitterly with Abeer and his dad despite knowing that her brother was in the wrong. In the same way, Meher;s pride and ego were hurt when Abeer left which fuels her need to put him down to regain it. It fits in beautifully with the theme of the show: one's own heart being the enemy of love. Meher and Bua understandably hold their pride very dear, considering how hard-earned it is, but in their zeal to guard it, they isolate themselves and miss out on other important aspects of life, especially relationships.

Suman seems to have realised there is nothing but destruction to be had from letting your ego take so much importance, and I think she sees that that is what came between Abeer and Meher. That is why she still has so much hope for their relationship, and why I think she is gently trying to teach Meher to let go of her ego a little more, something that is essential for a successful relationship. Today it was she who remained strong when her husband tried to destroy the peace of their household, she who managed to keep calm despite everything that had happened and somehow I can't see her the same way after glimpsing the strength of her silence.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Wonderfully written 👏 eventhough meher's mom has a different way to deal with her husband...i do feel that she needs voice out nd take a stand against him..meher is grown up now and is in a better position to deal with her father..but meher's mother needs to understand what her children have gone through..one thing is to not have a father figure in life nd to let them live in peace... but another thing is to go through mental stress coz of their father's frequent visits to their home to bring disturbances..and that too for money...and i also feel that the reason meher's mom hardly reacts to her husband's actions is because of meher and bua..coz they are the one who mostly deals with him..i wonder wether meher's mom would be calm if she was alone with her husband and was the receiving end of his disgusting behaviour?😊
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Posted: 10 years ago
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You explained it sooo goood. totally agreee ..
At the end of the road Meher will understandd her mum more i think.. she will realisee her momss behaviourr

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Beautiful post...really well articulated. 👏

You've made me think 😆

I think there is a balance between self respect and pride. Bua's ego (and Meher's to some extent) can be detrimental. And that definitely played a part in the downfall of Mehbeer. But I don't know if I can completely respect the way Meher's mom handles things. The father's behaviour may not affect her anymore but it does affect her children's lives. He ruined the relationship with Meher's inlaws and in his greed he doesn't even care about Tarun's future. Given an opportunity he would destroy both his children. This guy is like a toxic presence in their lives. So I think her children suffer for her inaction-- thus in my mind she should've taken a stand a long time ago. Not out of anger or pride (like Meher is doing) but out of self preservation and for her family's benefit.

In fact I would argue, its Meher's mom's inaction wrt Meher's dad that has led to Meher's oppositional behaviour with Abeer. Meher doesn't like the way her dad treats her mom so she sublimated that into her own relationship with Abeer and that's been detrimental to her because Abeer is not the same as her dad.

For the most part I think Meher is pretty balanced between bua and her mom. She has traits of both of them. Meher wasn't the one talking back at the police station-- she spent most of the time listening-- she only said something when she absolutely had to.

But yes her aggressive stance with Abeer is more a reflection of how her mother was treated... which is why I find Abeer's reactions somewhat understandable (which is not the same as excusable mind you). I mean really Meher kind of brought this whole thing on herself by taking the Groove channel job. But then I can't fault Meher for her actions because I absolutely get it. She shouldn't have to spend her whole life running from Abeer-- if she needs to prove something to herself then so be it. She has had to bear the cost of it but I think she was prepared for that.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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I feel that Mehers mum should stand up to him, she doesn't need to take his bulls****
Meher doesn't like it either, when her dad insults or hurts her mum

If Meher wishes to mantain any kind of relationship with her dad than she can meet him outside of the house but not welcome him in her mums house (yes I said mehers mum house because I am sure even Meher thinks that, although she pays for it)

I am suprised that Meher even mantains a relationship with him because I don't
I am in the same situation as Meher (not divorced) my parents however are divorced
And even when they were seperated I didn't like my father because he insulted my mother (she did insult him back which is realistic)

now both of us live happily ever after

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Posted: 10 years ago
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@S.kitty: I actually think she would be calm even if she was alone with her husband simply because her approach is different from that of Meher and Bua. The truth of it is that I don't think her husband's visits would stop even if she stood up to him so her way of dealing with him is actually smart... she reduces the drama and fighting that her children have to see.

@WM123:
Thanks! I think that that is where the story is heading as well.

@malikakas: Thank you, glad to hear it! 😆

From what we have seen of Meher's dad, it seems that nothing would stop him from upsetting their lives every now and then by showing up in search of easy money. I honestly don't think that Meher's mother standing up to him could really make any difference in that respect. When we discuss, we assume that it is her inaction that is allowing him to visit, but in fact I think her inaction is what is making his inevitable visits least harmful to her children.

While I agree that this has been harmful to an extent, especially as you pointed out in making Meher unfairly defensive towards Abeer, I think that Suman has done the best thing she possibly could give the circumstances (which is to ignore and try to move on with life). Even if Suman stood up to her husband, I don't think Meher would feel that differently about men in general. That is a problem with her father specifically, one that her mother's attitude alone couldn't solve, one way or another.

The question remains, why did she have to throw it in Abeer's face in order for her moving on to be legitimate, even to herself? If she had truly moved on, would this be necessary?

@chair1992: But that's why what Suman said is so important: she doesn't invite her husband into their house but she has a certain way of dealing with him when he is there. I am not saying that that is the only way, but given her husband's character, I think it is the most prudent way. Provoking him only makes him stoop lower and lower, as we saw in his confrontation with Bua, so it seems smarter to remain silent and not give fuel to his fire.

@zaya-firdose:
Thank you!
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Girl ur post answered my every doubt regarding Suman and Meher . I knew Suman is strong in her way . Simply shouting at Shyam and objecting him to visit home deafinetly ll not bring any difference bcz this man is shameless , he will shrug and make another visit . So she decide to keep silent . To her there is no hope on him , and she accepted the fact , being his wife , she might have seen his worst side , so she composed herself to truly be indifferent , not for name sake . She neither bursts nor entertains . It's something very difficult to do . She has well command on her emotions . She saw his worst , so his words cannot make any more difference . That I seriously adore about her .
Now I really correlate to her dialogue saying to Meher " he is just another person to me " and yes she acted ame way .

To be frank Bua and Meher have unbreakable bond with Shyam unlike Suman . They entertained his nonsense , they cannot withstand , but it was they to break first of his foul mouth unlike Suman . As a matter of fact if Suman wants she can ask him stop paying visits , but Meher and Bua they cannot . If notice , it should be Suman to go police station but Bua and Meher left so hurriedly where as Suman is quite and behaved casually.

Though Bua and Meher screams saying why u letting him come and all , but foul mouth is their responsibility and it's clear by the way Meher and Bua taking wrong side in police station. It's undeniable fact they are bound to protect him in need .

Suman has become immune to his venom unlike Meher and Bua .

I see some talking about her ,ms he is weakness , ( in fact at one point hearing everyone ,even I felt ) is the reason behind her intentions to make Meher and Abeer together , but what I feel is she saw his sincere love for Meher , which she never got, and she wants her daughter to have it . I like her intentions but her approach should be different , the process shouldn't put Meher in Moore pain .

Eg: making Abeer to sleep in her room when she is completely not willing , I mean it's not the correct way. She behaved like typical mother .

And as for Abeer , u said he is immature , agree ,but he is not insensible for sure . He respects whom he love , he cares for them. His immaturity is what making him very expressive either love or hatred. It's good as well as bad . You can see it in police station scene too, he couldn't bear his father talking to Meher rudely . Where as Meher she didn't put a stop to her creepy dad when tried to provoke Abeer. When Abeer answered to defend him , Meher tried stopping him saying not to talk with her dad rudely.

This shows very clearly selfrespect and pride always dominated her love for Abeer .

Where as Abeer he doesn't mind about self respect but his immature behaviour made her to embrace her pride. Resulted in divorce .

Bottom line is self respect at the cost of love only leaves us in pain. And taking everything for granted as in Abeers case landed him in misery.

What Suman said is correct, " pagalon ka Apna tareekha hota hai 😆"

Some one should strongly show them , there is no happiness with out pain. To get something should leave something . They should correct their ways to to be together .

Nothing should be above Love to live in mental peace .

I donno what I ranted too, but great post dear !! Sensible and practical way of taking things . 👏

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Samanalyse


@malikakas: Thank you, glad to hear it! 😆

From what we have seen of Meher's dad, it seems that nothing would stop him from upsetting their lives every now and then by showing up in search of easy money. I honestly don't think that Meher's mother standing up to him could really make any difference in that respect. When we discuss, we assume that it is her inaction that is allowing him to visit, but in fact I think her inaction is what is making his inevitable visits least harmful to her children.

While I agree that this has been harmful to an extent, especially as you pointed out in making Meher unfairly defensive towards Abeer, I think that Suman has done the best thing she possibly could give the circumstances (which is to ignore and try to move on with life). Even if Suman stood up to her husband, I don't think Meher would feel that differently about men in general. That is a problem with her father specifically, one that her mother's attitude alone couldn't solve, one way or another.

The question remains, why did she have to throw it in Abeer's face in order for her moving on to be legitimate, even to herself? If she had truly moved on, would this be necessary?


Hmm... all good points. 😛 I guess we don't really know what someone like Meher's dad would do if they just cut ties completely? He is completely shameless but I wonder if that's because he has never been forced to face the consequences of his actions. His sister just bails him out. Technically-- isn't it an offence in India to remarry (or commit adultery) while still married? Couldn't Meher's mom threaten him with jail to get him to leave them alone?

I just think his presence is very detrimental to the kids and just tolerating it must be very frustrating for everyone to deal with. It makes a person feel powerless and I think that's the main problem Meher is battling-- I don't think its that she can't trust men in general (she trusted Abeer to a certain extent) but more that she doesn't want to "feel" powerless as she perceives her mother to have been. The way Meher talked about it on Monday's episode -- it seemed her reason for taking the Groove channel job was to act in an opposite manner as her mother.

But you are right, Meher's mom just doesn't care anymore and if Meher really had moved on she wouldn't be feeling the need to prove to herself she has. 😆 If she truly was happy and conformable with where she was and Abeer really didn't matter anymore-- she wouldn't have had any need to face her past. But Meher is obviously still in love with Abeer and I think a part of her knows that those feelings will always be there. So if this is what she needs to do to feel in control then it I get it.

Meher's mom's behaviour feels weaker to me because she allowing the father to attempt to use the children and that's what I can't tolerate. I respect the fact that she is indifferent to his behaviour regarding his second family but you can't let someone's behaviour go so out of hand that he starts asking your daughter's FIL for money or wanting to sell your son's future. Live and let live but he is not letting them live. That's why I think she should take a harsher stand. I don't know -- this guy just really irritates me and Meher's mom's passivity is frustrating. 😡
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Posted: 10 years ago
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@samanalyse: it's quite refreshing to see the issue in a different perspective. I do agree with the fact that meher's mom has a different way to approach things and she is quite strong in her own way. But it's just that i don't connect with the way she is dealing with the issue. Maybe i would if it was just between her and her husband. I connect more with the way meher and bua is dealing with him. Apart from how they tried to save him in the police station. It would have been fine if they just back answered kuber because he thought the whole family was money minded. But instead they choosed to save their excuse of a father/brother. In that particular scene it was just their ego and pride speaking. When it comes to meher's mother it's not just about standing up against her husband, she does have the upper hand in the whole issue to make her husband stay away from them. The cards are in her hands she just needs to use them. That man is living on their money and having a second wife without divorcing the first one. I have no idea about indian law but if I'm not wrong it's illegal?😊
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Ah! It's wonderful to continue this discussion! My responses in blue. 😃

Originally posted by: malikakas


Hmm... all good points. 😛 I guess we don't really know what someone like Meher's dad would do if they just cut ties completely? He is completely shameless but I wonder if that's because he has never been forced to face the consequences of his actions. His sister just bails him out. Technically-- isn't it an offence in India to remarry (or commit adultery) while still married? Couldn't Meher's mom threaten him with jail to get him to leave them alone?

But that's just my point. Taking legal measures sounds easy in abstract but is in fact a very lengthy and laborious process. And from what I have seen, it seems that her dad would not back down just in the face of threats, they would make him even more irritated and likely to do stupid things as he did today. So unless she really had a point to prove from her side, taking legal measures would have put her family through even more ups and downs than they were already going through. I am not necessarily saying it's what I would have done, but I can see where her thought process has merit.

I just think his presence is very detrimental to the kids and just tolerating it must be very frustrating for everyone to deal with. It makes a person feel powerless and I think that's the main problem Meher is battling-- I don't think its that she can't trust men in general (she trusted Abeer to a certain extent) but more that she doesn't want to "feel" powerless as she perceives her mother to have been. The way Meher talked about it on Monday's episode -- it seemed her reason for taking the Groove channel job was to act in an opposite manner as her mother.

I think you hit the nail on the head about Meher's hatred of feeling powerless! I loved this whole bit of your post. For eight years, it seems, our Meher has nursed the humiliation of how powerless that 2.5 crore cheque made her and just in order to regain her perceived sense of power she wants to be in a position that is superior to Abeer. You can kind of see where Meher's immaturity comes in here, and how it might have affected the marriage.

But you are right, Meher's mom just doesn't care anymore and if Meher really had moved on she wouldn't be feeling the need to prove to herself she has. 😆 If she truly was happy and conformable with where she was and Abeer really didn't matter anymore-- she wouldn't have had any need to face her past. But Meher is obviously still in love with Abeer and I think a part of her knows that those feelings will always be there. So if this is what she needs to do to feel in control then it I get it.

I get it too, from Meher's perspective and I was totally on board until yesterday, but the question that Suman's attitude in yesterday's episode raised for me is this: should Meher's real objective be control in the first place? I can totally see why it is from her perspective, but from her mother's vantage point and for that matter the audience's, it is clear that if she were to concede this need for complete control, Abeer might just see how hurt and vulnerable she really is, how much she does still love him... and that might, god forbid, actually lead both of them to happiness instead of mutual destruction! 😲😆 Neither of them is willing to back down even an inch though, which is what has allowed some kind of obvious misunderstanding to grow into this life-destroying monster of a vengeful ego battle!

Meher's mom's behaviour feels weaker to me because she allowing the father to attempt to use the children and that's what I can't tolerate. I respect the fact that she is indifferent to his behaviour regarding his second family but you can't let someone's behaviour go so out of hand that he starts asking your daughter's FIL for money or wanting to sell your son's future. Live and let live but he is not letting them live. That's why I think she should take a harsher stand. I don't know -- this guy just really irritates me and Meher's mom's passivity is frustrating. 😡

I was totally in agreement, again until yesterday. After seeing his behaviour, I am just not convinced that she would have any success at all if she tried to stop him. I mean, if she had that kind of sway over him, he wouldn't have committed the ultimate fault of leaving and marrying someone else in the first place. I am just not sure why everyone is assuming that her harshness would have any effect on him. The way I see it, it would only make him stoop lower, as Bua's harshness has. He is unfortunately going to be a part of his children's lives forever, and the way I see it, she is training them to deal with him in a way that is least trouble for everyone. I am not saying her ways are perfect, but they do give a viable alternative to Bua's confrontational ways.

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