pointing at Indian culture - Page 2

oh plz...spaire indian culture ko...

Originally posted by: pari87

I will only answer your first question as it is directed to me...Ermmm...babies end up paying for it because they do not get a father's love and care while growing up...they are also faced with taunts throughout their life by other kids...as kids do not understand the reasons behind the situation...they only say what they know is not normal in their eyes...i don't know whether you are from india or what,,, but the fate of unwed mothers is seldom as fancy as purvi;s...they do have a hard time getting married...unless they are uber rich and well off and can support themselves without a need for a husband...purvi was neither rich, nor well-off and clearly she had no idea about what she was gonna do in an anjaan shehr bringing up teh child by herself...the fate of that baby without onir would have been very different my dear...

So that is what i mean by being irresponsible and subjecting your child to a life without a dad, a difficult time growing up and not the best and most normal sense of family...

With some of the arguments defending Arjun-Purvi being amar premis make most of us also go 😆 on this forum :P

By the way I searched my post carefully to see if I had mentioned anyone's name or directing any question to anyone specifically but I could not find it. So I would suggest that you be cautious in your comments in the future.

I am of Indian descendants so I can tell you that although these things do exist, we dont have to support it as being right because somewhere in my heart tells me that it is not right to engage in such behaviour. At the same time I am saying that it is not right also to have pre marital sex. However, in purvi's case, it was quite different as she was going to marry the man she had sex with teh next day. so as far as I see it, it was not irresponsible totally. Also the responsibility of avoiding pregnancy should not be placed at the feet of the woman only. It should be equally shared.

Regarding 'other kids', children learn from their elders. We the elders are the role models for the children, so if we involve ourselves in such acts, the children will grow up with those teachings and we will have a never ending cycle.

The mere fact that PR is portraying these topical issues are to show that there are changes happening. As Onir accepted purvi knowing the situation. He also accepted pari knowing the situation. Arjun and purvi are leading separate lives and living in separate marriages but purvi and arjun are interacting and sharing responsibilities for pari together which is what happens in most society these days. Lastly, many children born in such situations even if they grew up with mother only when fathers shirk their responsibilities turns out to be well rounded and good individuals.

Originally posted by: nikki1591

so how does someone being poor translate to illegitimate children being responsible for overpopulation. a lot of these poor people are married

Exactly what I was thinking.

I am wondering too if the rich people are not involved in over population too. A child is a child no matter how rich his parents are or how poor they are legitimate or illegitimate.

Originally posted by: hillydee

Every culture is against premarital sex, once their beliefs are God driven. The cultures we know and are familiar with, yes. There are cultures that allow multiple legal marriages, both western and eastern, it is all how the people who follow that culture interpret and glorify the practice. There are still tribes in Africa that not only deify pre-marital sex but also have a day every few years when partners (married) are legally allowed to change partners. Marriage itself is a man-made institution as is the practice of religion, my POV. Marriage was made so that there could be law and order in society so that a man and woman are together as a unit to raise a child. Marriage, I am sure if we look at social anthropology, was more of a recent advent into society. That said, I would personally deem it as a necessary institution probably out of purely selfish and ulterior motives.

At the same time, it is usually the Indian culture that tries really hard to uphold this value(hence the mention of the Indian culture by some members), while other cultures have become more tolerant to the point of acceptance of premarital sex. This is not right no matter how realistic and modern we want to look at life. Lots of things happen in this world, but that does not mean it is right, it only means the world is getting worse everyday. While many of us might hold that pre-marital sex is not acceptable, it does happen in the real world and while the act itself might be criticized as wrong (depending again on each individual's moral compass), the people who are indulging in the act cannot be hated or tarred, there can be no witch hunts led against them. I personally am a teetotaller but have close relatives who customarily engage in beer pong and other party games and even nieces/nephews who think binge drinking (college freshmen) is fun. I hate what they do but love them nonetheless. So while you may abhor the act that you don't believe in, abhorring the person that indulges in it may be wrong, again my POV.

However, from observation on this forum, the efforts of those who try to uphold the Indian values. are going down the drain. Debating on the forum does nothing to make Indian values go down the drain. If we (generic use of the term) resort to hating the person doing the wrong deed, we would all be hated for I am sure we have all erred in one sense or the other, lied, dissembled, been unkind, etc. Also, propagating that it is wrong to do certain things is okay but dooming the doer of said act for their mistake, spreads despair instead of instilling the right values as despair will only lead to further wrong-doing in my opinion.

We live in a world where evil is accepted by a lot of people, and those who are trying to live good, a lot of them are afraid or too weak to stand up for what is right. Evil in this sense is personal perception, many of us believe that only our beliefs and values are right and everyone else's is wrong. Going back to what I wrote in the first paragraph, it depends on the age we live in and the culture we are brought up in. Certain cultures do not agree with women working outside the house, women did not even have suffrage until fairly recently in history, women are not allowed to talk to the opposite gender in certain countries or allowed to show their faces to outsiders. Can we because we vote, work outside the house, talk to paraya mardh be deemed as immoral? I went to an all girls school, my daughter goes to a co-ed school, my grandpa would have freaked out if I had talked to boys who were my classmates and that belief was the norm where I was raised and I believed in it as well at that time.

I am not afraid, and I will never stop saying premarital sex is the wrong way to live. Whether or not it is done by the majority. I will join you in that I too believe pre-marital sex is wrong, and we may very well be in the minority. At the same time I will not say that all people who indulge in it are bad or that they do not deserve a fair chance at happiness.

In PR, Ekta could have shown the Premarital sex, but she should have shown that it is wrong, I think Ekta did show it as wrong, Purvi did not hold her head high and live in Mumbai carrying her ex-fiance's child, she did skip town, she has been much maligned by the family and Ekta is showing that there are repercussions to every act, good or bad. At the same time, she is attempting to show that making one mistake does not have to be the end of the road and that there is a way back to so called social respectability.

so viewers stop glorifying it and make excuses just because they like Purvi, Downright stupid. I would not call viewers or their making excuses for Purvi as stupid, that would be putting them down for their reasoning in making sense of this illogical tale.

Originally posted by: soapwatcher1

Purvi's child did not have to face the problem of being pointed fingers at so the point is moot in my reckoning. She made sure to marry Onir and give the baby respectability. So, why wonder about the would have been, could have been, fate of the baby?

Why this insistence on Purvi having to pay for her "sin" of having pre-marital and unprotected sex with her fiance the day before her marriage? Yes, it does happen in real life where the single mother is ostracized by society, the poorer the economic straits of the mother, the harder it becomes for her to raise the child alone. The CVs fortunately had other plans and saved their parallel lead from the stigma of unwed motherhood. Purvi is educated and would have managed to raise her child alone but fate did one better and landed her Onir.

Being sanskari or even being brought up by Archana does not make Purvi less human than any other girl out there who sleeps with the man she loves and believes will be hers for the rest of her life. Had the apple cart not been toppled, all would have been well and no one would have been the wiser as to when or how Pari was conceived.

Human beings are the same the world over, Indian culture or any other culture. Some cultures hide it or cover it up as a mark of shame, other cultures take it in their stride, does not mean it happens in one and never in the other.

As far as I remember, purvi did not marry to Onir to save face, Onir proposed to her. She left her home not in search of a man to accept her because she would have to save face. Oh please. She could have easily aborted her child and save her face if that is what she was up to. I sometimes wonder if all of us are watching the same PR

Originally posted by: rayadallie

As far as I remember, purvi did not marry to Onir to save face, Onir proposed to her. She left her home not in search of a man to accept her because she would have to save face. Oh please. She could have easily aborted her child and save her face if that is what she was up to. I sometimes wonder if all of us are watching the same PR

Originally posted by: pari87

ohhh..so what did she marry onir for? Physical needs? Mental needs? what? A man comes and proposes to me tomorrow, I will agree randomly? For what reason? Is that how people get married? lol...news to me! Hey, I am pregnant and you proposed to me..let's get married...lol...are we honestly in the same world, forget same show ?

Purvi has not a spine in this world...Ovi told her give up arjun for archana, she did without using IQ...and then Onir told her let's get married, she did...without even wanting to...and now Arjun will say, re-unite with me, she will again do it as told...Purvi has no thinking prowess or no brains or what?

Is the lead of this show such a brainless twit? Who follows orders blindly? hahahahahahahahahah

My dear, I usually base my argument on what i see in the show and not what I assume. So lets agree to disagree here. Peace out!

Originally posted by: rayadallie

My dear, I usually base my argument on what i see in the show and not what I assume. So lets agree to disagree here. Peace out!