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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: soapwatcher1

Dear Kalapi, everyone is a product of circumstance, that cannot be used as an excuse for these women. Purvi was not adopted into a rich family, the Karanjikars can hardly be classified as wealthy. And Archana didn't pick up Purvi from an orphanage, she picked her up after an accident, her parents 20 years were able to afford a car so obviously they were not too poor. Say no family had come forward to claim her and she had been placed in an orphanage, that doesn't necessarily mean she would have ended up in a "handicraft job" getting raped by an adult. She just as likely could have been adopted into a really nice well-adjusted family.

My daughter's best friend was adopted from an orphanage in Gujarat, my cousin's daughter (they have a natural born older son) was adopted from an orphanage in Delhi. Yes, Purvi's fate could have been different, for good or worse. We are all as I said products of circumstance, we could have been born to terrible parents, in war zones, or wherever. I am sure we will not be happy if anyone threw it at our faces, "well your fate could have been so much worse, you could have been left in an orphanage and that gives us the right to talk to you like crap." Most of us look at present circumstances not what fate could have had in store for us when dealing with life.

Similarly what Archana said or didn't say or whether it is mentioned exclusively on another thread should have no bearing on what Savita and Sulo did. I agree if Archana said (I don't remember her saying it ever) kids in India are raised better than kids in Canada that was wrong. But I don't see the logic in saying since Archana said that (about Ovi, I am guessing), it is okay for these two old women to lash out at Purvi.

As for people speculating when the baby was made before or after Ovi's marriage with Arjun, no one in the world can stop anyone else from conjecturing and that solely should not form the basis of Savita's behavior. Did she care when Shravani was an unwed mother and lived with them with Manav there? Did Savita care a fig for those wagging tongues when she orchestrated the divorce between Archana and Manav and arranged for the marriage of her divorced son with the unwed mother of her other son, both living under the same roof for months that too? Did Savita care a hoot for gossip when she forged the papers, wanted Archana to divorce Manav and separated the kids from their mother? Did she even wonder about what people thought about the bride switch the day of Ovi's wedding? She was too jubilant throwing that reception party.

Yes, we can all say we are objective and look at all sides of the equation, but we are only human and do have our personal biases. Savita is a hypocrite and it was uncalled for on her part to berate Purvi so. No one is begrudging her the right to advise Purvi even if Savita is not her grandmother, her style of advising, namely name calling and accusations are what is being questioned.

Janhvi, yes, Archana picked Purvi up from the road. If she didn't, it is fair to assume Purvi could have landed in the orphanage, right? Of course, from there on her fate could have been debatable. She could have been adopted by Royalty, or might never be adopted. This is as debatable as that of her fate if Onir didn't show up. Now, she did get a loving family in Archana, a excellent education that made her independent and much more importantly save too. I guess her being adopted by Archana was her fate. Generally when one compare, it is generally compared to the possibly worst fate...that many girls in her situation could/might faces...for the number of Royalty is limited. As for the car her parents were travelling, why no one knows if it was even theirs... it could easily have been rented. If she was rich and no one claim her, well, maybe she was really lucky to be adopted by Archana in that scenario also, anyway that was her fate, but still she did get a loving family, good education compared to orphans in her (similar) situations. But, ppl do compare what could be, especially when the outcome is exceptionally happy or sad... like look how great the adopted girl has become, she became the CEO, etc.

As for the baby being conceived before or after...don't know which India you come from (for I seem to have an alternate view of India), most gossipers could have happily jumped into the conclusion that it was after, esp. cause she was supposed to be married to Arjun. In that situation, no Karanjkar or Deshmukhs could have stepped out of their respective houses. And because it was Arjun, an tycoon involved it could be media news about playboy Arjun and his affair with Saali. Epic Scandal...

As for Savita not caring about Shravani's situation or her gossipers. Shravani's situation was totally different. In fact, Sharavani situation was shown as how helpless she was. Shravan's dad slapped her...and her sanskar was shown questionable, of course, in relation to Karanjkars. No one in the serial tooted Shravani's sanskar. Now about Savita's orchestrating MAnav's dvorce then, you probably haven't watched PR from the beginning. Archana left Manav after 15 days of marriage, in fact walked out of their ''marriage'' Satyanarayan Puja and Sulo filed for divorce. Manav and Archana's divorced was alreasdy in the Court, when Manjusha Karanjkar files a complained against Deshmukh's which resulted in all of them being arrested. All of Deshmukh's were mercilessly beaten up (including Savita and unmarried Vandu). Now, if you know the reality of such experience, I will not have to explain further. But if you haven't, here is a real experience, one of my relative's babu ... complained against her inlaws. All of them were picked up including her unmarried nanad and beaten mercilessly. The badnami that entralls in unbelievable and after that accepting that bahu back into the family, that is the great challenge any family faces. Now, back to the stort - after getting bail they were let got, Sachin's visa to USA got cancel that ultimately lead to his accident and death. No, MIL can accept all this going on by a Bahu and her maaikya (police beating followed by a son's death... all due to a newly married bahu, who voluntarily walked out of her marriage as she failed to trust her husband). Yes, at that point Savita didn't care at all for Archana, in fact who could? I couldn't either... if I was in that MIL. Most husband don't even look back at their wife, if she complains to police or takes him to Court. Besides, the divorce was already on, so Savita supported Shravani to get her married to Manav, because she was carrying Sachin Jr. Shravan wanted to go back to USA and even asked MAnav, if he wanted to marry. To that MAnav answered was Yes. At this point, Savita didn't care about gossip of getting Sharvani married to MAnav, after his divorce initiated by Sulo, because their relationship was on its death bed anyway, so why not get Shravani married and keep Sachi's nischani within the family...the story is very convoluted... Here, 2 families are going to be destroyed, Ovi already left and Onir's license has been revoked...and Purvi and Arjunstill meeting publicly...

As for Savita being a hypocrite...well, I am sure you think that all her concern and love that she showed to Purvi was a natak. Well, but it was shown to that she referred Purvi as samajdar. She also was shown doing things for Purvi. She even sided with Purvi over Ovi...saying Ovi was suspicious of her and Purvi couldn't have anything to do with Arjun. So, to me she was ready to give Purvi the BOD, In fact, she did say that Ovi ko jante nahi ho, or something. But, at some point everyone's patience gives away... the question is when ? These 2 ladies patience gave away now... it has gone too far for them, so they snapped. The Question is when will DK snap...I am more interested to see that now 😆

Edited by Kalapi - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: strega

Kalapi, if I may respond to you...yes, I agree that Savita did say exactly what you wrote. But, in my opinion, it was still wrong because the implication is that Purvi is sadak se uthai hui..This has been repeated many times with reference to Purvi. That is what I feel objectionable. She lost her parents in an accident. She could have a biological connection which has never surfaced. But even if she was really from the slums or if she was a street kid, it still does not make it ok to say it.

If she had said log kya kahenge ek behen ne dusre behen ke saat kya kiya, I would not be objecting. Even if I feel she should have said the same thing to Ovi when the marriage took place.

That's what I mean by content and tone. But that is how I think. To each their own.

Strega, no problem in you replying at all 😃. It is true those word are cruel for adopted kid for it brings out what the family did for them...almost saying, ""What a favor you have returned for taking caring for you?"" I agree it sounds rude and cruel, but for the oldies here, the circumstances are hardly a happy one. One family is broken the other lost his license (and is facing a public disgrace with no job). What is the reputation of these families now? And, inspite of it all, Arjun and Purvi ,to an onlooker, keeps meeting and hugging in public. When people are really annoyed and super mad, they hardly think what they say or how they say it. Many actually regret that they said something cruel and wrong in the heat of the moment later, right? It is an outburst that the people has no control at all. Even though, we do say all the time that we must control ourselves, but can we, when the stakes are so high? It is a situation taken from reality to me. And since Purvi is taken from the road, that truth comes out - a bitter truth comes out, when one is stressed...at this point, ppl hardly measures what they are saying and measure/debate if it is right or wrong? Who knows if things works out later, Savita might go and apologize to Purvi for saying those particular words, - although she said, what ppl will say (there is a difference here). Yes, it doesn't/might not take away from the hurt that was felt...but, surely, we have faced similar instances in real life too...but then bitter truth are sometimes hard to accept also...

Edited by Kalapi - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Kalapi, I get your point that deshmukhs have done alot for purvi. But, honestly I am not going to go any deeper in this situation because ultimately what is wrong is wrong. To me, savita came off as very rude. I understand that she has the right to say stuff, as sulochana also did. and honestly, I didn't have a problem with sulochana saying stuff like that because I understand where she is coming from, even though I don't completely agree with it. Though, whatever savita said came off as just something that people say to their doorke relatives or some family friends or something. It came off as, you do this, and keep out of ovi and arjun's affairs, so you will be happy and we will be happy. And If we are not happy, then it's your fault. And, I understand your sentiments in cvs trying to glorify purvi's character, I guess it does come off that way, but I still don't agree with savita's behavior towards her supposive adoptive grand-daughter. I don't think savita would ever behave like that with ovi, and maybe she does it because she hasn't raised purvi. Then, she should stop jumping to conclusion so often because she doesn't even know her.
Edited by coolpixie - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Kalapi, I come from the same India as you do, that is why I said there is no stopping tongues from wagging and hence we shouldn't make that our basis for behavior. Yes, the CVs didn't show gossip regarding the switch in brides but while we are conjecturing the might have beens about Purvi plus the new what the neighbors might be saying about Arjun visiting, why not accord the same to Ovi about her taking the place of Purvi as the bride? Maybe there was gossip about that too.

Anyway, you have said in all three of your (last)posts that Savita was crude and rude, that is all we are saying, she might be angry, she might think she is justified but that didn't prevent her from coming off as crass.

Being a hypocrite does not necessarily make one unkind. Yes, Savita has been nice to Purvi after Ovi's marriage and was worried for her/Archana at the time of the kidnapping. Manav has been called a hypocrite and he is a good and kind man. Kindness and hypocrisy do not always have to be mutually exclusive.
Edited by soapwatcher1 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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The only thing i will say is ...

People do say things when they r pushed or angry . Purvi had told Soham she wished the bullet had hit him instead when Archana was shot . Same thing here .








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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

The only thing i will say is ...


People do say things when they r pushed or angry . Purvi had told Soham she wished the bullet had hit him instead when Archana was shot . Same thing here .










Absolutely true. But it makes neither right. If I remember correctly, you did write that Purvi was out of line then. So, all I am saying is Savita was out of line here. Added to that she did have her facts wrong. Purvi did NOT invite Arjun.

Promise this is my last word on this:)
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: soapwatcher1

Kalapi, I come from the same India as you do, that is why I said there is no stopping tongues from wagging and hence we shouldn't make that our basis for behavior. Yes, the CVs didn't show gossip regarding the switch in brides but while we are conjecturing the might have beens about Purvi plus the new what the neighbors might be saying about Arjun visiting, why not accord the same to Ovi about her taking the place of Purvi as the bride? Maybe there was gossip about that too.

Anyway, you have said in all three of your (last)posts that Savita was crude and rude, that is all we are saying, she might be angry, she might think she is justified but that didn't prevent her from coming off as crass.

Being a hypocrite does not necessarily make one unkind. Yes, Savita has been nice to Purvi after Ovi's marriage and was worried for her/Archana at the time of the kidnapping. Manav has been called a hypocrite and he is a good and kind man. Kindness and hypocrisy do not always have to be mutually exclusive.

I did say that to Coolprix and not only that the fact that Ovi's engagement got cancelled and in her place Purvi got engaged, but later Ovi again got arried to Arjun, could be simply a huge scandal, but alas, no gossip is whereever Purvi is concern...
But as I said before no post was ever made to condemn Archana for her CAnadian raised comment (and here the reference was for Arjun, before Ovi was in the picture, so the indirect reference that since Ovi is considered the ''spoilt brat'; of the forum is justifiable) isn't right...
Nor, a thread was ever opened for the bade vs. chote log reference...and no separate thread was ever open to condemn Purvi on her very hurtful comment of ''wish that bullet struck you, Soham'' (thanks Kool, forgot that😃)
Add: As for making gossiping as our basis of behavior, I am not making it basis of my behavior nor am I am glorifying it. I am talking what happens in an Indian context all the time. No actually, I am talking in regards to what happens when a scandal break, it becomes a gossip everywhere and is discussed juicly (if there is a word), all over the world (depending on how famous the individual are) - in TV, in the radio, on chat sites...that is why it also spread fast and affects reputations and isn't taken lightly😊
Edited by Kalapi - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: strega



Absolutely true. But it makes neither right. If I remember correctly, you did write that Purvi was out of line then. So, all I am saying is Savita was out of line here. Added to that she did have her facts wrong. Purvi did NOT invite Arjun.

Promise this is my last word on this:)


She was out of line . The grannies were not . And i will tell u why . Not bcoz i don't like her , but for a solid reason .

I never criticized her anger towards Soham then . Her attachment towards Archana , the foster mother who gave her a life is understandable . If she had refused to speak to Soham or turned her face away it is understandable . But she told him she wished he would die .

To tell him that , she had not brought him up . She had not done a thing for him . That kind of dialogue is understandable in times of grief from an elder or a person who has done a lot for you . Sulochana said that day that it was good that Archana was still in coma . Whatever she is , she is her mother and yes she has done something for her . She has the right to express her emotions this way .

Purvi has done diddly squat for Soham . While he is the son of that house , she lives on the charity of that house . She has waltzed in their lives a year ago , claiming to be a beti of sorts . Its a different thing that she has done no deeds of a beti but created turmoil in that house . Sulochana has only slapped her after hearing of her deeds . She did NOT say i wish u were dead , if she had , it was perfectly understandable . Perhaps Archana would have said it ...the mother who brings up a child with so many efforts does say this in anger when she hears shocking news of an unwed pregnancy or criminal deeds .

The Aajis did NOT say this while reprimanding her oh so unfairly as many seem to feel here . Many are opining that what they said was crude and out of line and that it was meddling but i don't . I don't ind it crude or meddling at all . I find it perfect but too late .

They had a right to say all coz they did a lot for her . While Sulochana brought her up with Archana , Savita was very nice and accepting when she walked in their family , whatever her relations with Sulochana and Archana . Savita was that same way understanding to Punni when she was a child , although she had sour relations with Sulochana and Manju . Any real life granny would have literally shaken naatin's braid in India and say '' I slapped u that day but STILL u did not learn and have no shame and continue to meet him ...STILL .''

It doesn't matter what her motives r now , she should not even LOOK at her sister's husband , the visitation can be managed by Onir .

Purvi had not brought Soham up , fed him , given him a home , NOTHING . If his deeds rocked the reputation of the family so did hers . Except that hers were cleverly hidden then .To wish the son of the house dead by the girl who lived on the charity of the house was too much especially when the girl was not white as snow herself . The whole house had looked and looked for the missing son . Was that what they wanted ? And who was gonna be a substitute for him ...she ? With her own baggage of shameful deeds ?

But i understand her sentiments and attachment towards Archana . So i am not criticizing her anger at all . Would never have said anything if she had stopped speaking to Soham or said any other 'how could u ' . But wishing him dead was the same out of line talk that she had with Arjun when she warned him not to call her brother a gunda when poor Arjun had 2 bullets pumped in his body by Soham .

The grannies however were not out of line at all . They had done a lot for her and shown her much kindness and this was how she had repaid the family . Yet they did NOT wish her dead .


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Posted: 12 years ago
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Honestly, Let's just leave it here. There is no need to bother explaining and defending an action a fictional character took..At the end of the day it's a character and in the hands of the cvs. All I would say is what savita said was out of line just like when purvi said something out of line to soham. And savita should just get her facts right before going on this blame game. Though, I'm sure when this issue is resolved, she won't have any problems with purvi and say only good stuff to her. Whatever, it's her character in the end so I don't want to dig any deeper than is necessary.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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There was a post 100 chuhe khake savita haj ko chali. These 2 ladies r out of their mind. What r they trying to save? Marriage of arjun and ovi? Whts there to save? If ovi wants to come back in this mess again which she started arjun is ready to take rain bath with ovi. Whts the problem? Why all these drama? Asking purvi to stay away bt why dnt they ask ovi to go back to arjun? When ovi is nt ready so why they want to reserve arjun? For safety? I guess they want to keep arjun for safety of future so that they can provide him to ovi if again she starts pagalpan of bachpan ka pyaar.


Archana filed chawl case against manav and savita made every possible attempt to seperate archna and manav. I know it was for bhalai of manav. Lol. (amazing definations of bhalai given by savita and purvi). Archana and manav who wented to live with each other bt still for bhalai and protection she seperated both of them so why she is nt doing same bhalai with ovi? Why she wants to send ovi back to dhokebaz(according to ovi and her gang) arjun?

And sulo who never tried to save marriage of her own daughter and now on way of bhalai ovi. In all those yrs archu was living like a widow Inspite of having husband bt she never tried to even talk mith manav so now why she is jumping for ovi when she knows its beyond repair.? And if she wants to give advice to any1 so why nt punni who is running behind all young man of city?

And now all of sudden savita is worried abt log kya kahenge as if history of arman and arjun-purvi and ovi is a top secret. Everything happened in party. Infact grand party. So whts the problem now?

How many times arjun and purvi meeting in a day and for what or arjun is comin with his wish or purvi inviting him is nt mattern of concern for them. Their ovi is out now.. And after breaking all relations with purvi why both buddhis r worried abt wht purvi is doing in her kholi.?
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