PR Today: The Mystery of the Body in the Boot - Page 3

I m silent reader of this forum

but i must say

i love ur analysis😊

Arjun must act immediately by calling his dad in this situation or he is doomed

i love arvi😊
now i dont know what will happen to them😒

Well don't know what to think of this show anymore. Everytime when we think things will get better it goes back to point ZERO
I hope and I mean so hope that Arjun calls DK, coz honestly I have had enough of this mechanic crap to proove his love.
And I want DK to take Arjun home after this whole issue is over! If Purvi really loves Arjun than she will have to choose and make the final decision
Either she chooses for her love and live a happy life OR she stays with her so much sanskaari aai and become like her also

I am so sick and tired of these ArVi separation tracks that keep popping up all the time that it makes me wonder when in goodness name will we get to see some real happy ArVi moments !! Yuck !
All we get to see these days are rainy dream sequences which become boring also

I really hope this track works out well and fast also, coz it seems like PR is just stuck somewhere and is going in circles without going anywhere

The reason we have to think of other peoPle now is that most probably DK is out of town/country whatever. They are going to make it complicated that way to put him in an impossible situation, i think :(..even on Monday all it is going to be is Arjun pleading the cops, probably Purvi getting to know that he is in jail, i dont hope to see anything productive to the case :(

Jyoti,

If DK is out of Mumbai or even India, he will come back by the next flight, and in the meantime he can arrange for a good lawyer through his solicitor in Mumbai.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: jdronamraju

The reason we have to think of other peoPle now is that most probably DK is out of town/country whatever. They are going to make it complicated that way to put him in an impossible situation, i think :(..even on Monday all it is going to be is Arjun pleading the cops, probably Purvi getting to know that he is in jail, i dont hope to see anything productive to the case :(

My dear,

What a charming id you have!

I am glad you agree with me and do not think that Archana is going to help him!

As for what is going to happen to Arjun and by extension, to Arjun-Purvi, I have no idea. It is what has happened in BALH that makes me concerned; if they can jail the female lead there for 14 years for something of which she is not at all guilty, there is no reason fro us to be sure that they will not do the same to Arjun.

I do not think they will, but I am not sure, that is all. The BALH track was fairly plausible, and the actual culprit has got away scot-free up to now. So much for these serials promoting the belief that good always triumphs in the end!

For now, I think DK's presence is the main requirement.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: kushluv

I m silent reader of this forum but i must say i love ur analysis😊

Arjun must act immediately by calling his dad in this situation or he is doomed

i love arvi😊 now i dont know what will happen to them😒

Dear Talira.

I do not mean to sound unnecessarily argumentative wrt , @ red. , but how, pray is Archana going to help Arjun? I keep hearing comments to this effect, and that she will let Purvi visit him in jail, and maybe she will go along as well, as though the visits were to be some great favour to Arjun,

Let us get into specifics please.The rationale you have offered is fine, but how precisely is Archana going to get Arjun out of jail? She could not do it even if the charge were petty theft; she is not a lawyer, nor does she have money for a lawyer's fees. Even if she did have the money, I am pretty sure she would think that Arjun being jailed was a great vardaan from Bappa, and an answer to her prayers, for now there is no chance of his marrying Purvi.

This charge is, however, not one of petty theft; it is going to be either murder, kidnapping, or grievous assault not amounting to murder. All of these are non-bailable offences. Tackling them and getting Arjun off the hook in court will need a very good defence team, and plenty of money; not Purvi shedding tears from across the bars and making Arjun even more miserable, or Archana looking at him with her perennially droopy face, which is normally enough to give anyone a depression.

So, I would request you not to repeat this mantra of 'Archana the saviour of Arjun'. It is a non-starter if ever there was one. I respect your and everyone else's right to your/their own opinion(s), but this is not a matter of opinion, but of cold, hard fact.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: TALIRA

i think arcana will help arjun bcz of sulocana...as sulocona like him very much and arcanas stubborn mind is break but very slowly and also arcana start feel purvis pain...so she help arjun...

i think this is up to security guard and this conspiracy made by ovis mind bcz she want to take away arjun purvi so may be ...

thats conspiracy will held by teju and arcana ...and they will reveal this...may be teju wont do it but 1 thing sure arcana should be reveal it for sake of purvi,,,,,i think this time she shouldnt sacrifice for anythingand nt even ovi bcz purvi also her daughter and she s right .arcana thinks it always ...and may be purvi find out about security guard...

.if there is any cc camera especially parking side so its can be so easy ...but where arjun gave car key obviously there is raped in with cc camera and there is a doctor when he gave key so its so easy find out the truth...

.Well I am back after my Caribbean vacation and find I have been missing quite a bit in PR land!!! And so I start here as I begin to play catch up!!! 😉

Originally posted by: archverma10

.Well I am back after my Caribbean vacation and find I have been missing quite a bit in PR land!!! And so I start here as I begin to play catch up!!! 😉

Shyamala, fabulous post!!! Love how you listed out each of the parts, including why you think the body was put in the car by the security guard at the hospital...and not in the garage. I am not going to dwell on this because I have long since realized that the show and the CVs are perfectly capable of the wildest tangents and leading us on a path that is neither logical or factual and utterly lacking in sense. So I am going to reserve judgment here...for now.

There is one point I would however like to get some clarity on and hopefully you an help me out my friend 😃I am not at all versed in the Indian legal system so I would need some clarification on this for sure. You mention that due to the points you have listed there is strong circumstantial evidence against Arjun and that he is going to have to turn to DK and his Kirloskar roots or pay the price, Veer-Zaara style, with the end result being many years behind bars (or at least until some Rani Mukherjee types comes along to clear things up) 😆

In the US, and I can only speak to this...circumstantial evidence is of course not enough to convict a person. The case would be thrown out unless hard evidence is produced...and that too beyond the shadow of a doubt...I guess what I am trying to say is that..proving that Arjun could have, or even very likely killed the man and threw him in the boot is not enough. It is not enough to prove that Arjun could have done it...you would have to prove that there is no way that Arjun couldn't have done it...does that make sense? 😊 I know it's confusing...but that's our good old justice system.

However as I said I am not familiar with the Indian legal system...it could be entirely different and the cops can get a conviction ln a murder charge and throw someone in jail based on circumstantial evidence. Is that the case? If so, I shudder to think of all those cases in which those hapless folks may still be behind bars even as we speak! If not, then I am happy to say that I think the CVs will find a way to clear this MU..without making it look utterly unbelievable. I also think that this has been done to accomplish several things. 1) separate Arjun-Purvi yet again...but this time with no MU between them. I am 100% sure that Purvi would never believe a murder charge against Arjun or that he would place a dead body in the trunk of a car he is bringing her grandmother to the hospital in!

2) it may however, force her to step up to the plate and realize a few things on her part. Seeing Arjun suffer and be roughed up by the cops (there is no doubt in my mind they will definitely beat him up and leave a couple of visible bruises and scars to tear at her heart strings even more) may push her beyond tolerance level and force her to see things in perspective. Can it be coincidental that for once we got to see her daydreaming about him...for the first time ever I believe...and that too in the same episode as her Aaji's hospitalization and Arjun's arrest. Not reliving actual moments mind u..but all out dreaming of an actual physical interaction with him...pure lovers imagination style...like his "shirt da button" dream...this is a first for her. If she has before, then I may have missed it so please point it out 😊 Maybe she will begin to realize that her guilt/obligation feelings towards her Aai because of all her has done for her are not that much different than Arjun giving up everything for her as well. Indeed she says this to DK herself...and Sulo also helps us out by pointing out to her what lengths Arjun is going to for her love. 😊

Optimistic...maybe too much so I know...but one can always hope!!

Welcome back Archana.. Hope u had a good vacation. we missed you here..

I must admit to have thoroughly enjoyed reading this analysis. I have been unable to watch the episodes this past week, but this has made up for it and I am not even inclined to catch a repeat!

Now, given that everyone knows about Lady A's challenge to the Suitor Lad, I am inclined to think that the Body in the Boot is a *creative* device to keep the Suitor Lad from fulfilling (or at least delay the fulfilling) the challenge and winning the hand of his Lady. Further, given that this is an Indian soap, would it not be fair to surmise that Lady in Boots -- the one who would stand to gain the most by thwarting the Suitor Lad from winning the hand of his Lady -- is perhaps also responsible for the Body in the Boot? And, having turned down the princely sum of rupees ten thousand, the Suitor Lad is surely not going to earn thousands , whilst he is behind prison bars, is he?

With due respect, I would reckon that the probability of the Suitor Lad taking recourse to the family name, to haul himself out of the predicament he finds himself in, is quite low. In their (characters and the creatives who sketch the characters) view, would not the challenge to lead a life without the aid of the family name and earn a specified amount in a month preclude taking recourse to that very family name to bail him out of jail, even if it be for a completely unaccounted for turn of events?

My dear Archana,

So you are back from the sunny Caribbean climes and into the old rut, alas!

Coming to your question, the Indian judicial system, like the US one, is based on the British legal system and the Indian Penal Code was basically drawn up in British times.The rule of proof beyond all reasonable doubt applies here as well (which is why so many perfectly guilty folk get away!). Here the system is further skewed against the police, as, unlike the case in the UK and the US, a confession by the accused to a police officer is not admissible in evidence; it has to be before a magistrate.

There are other differences. The NYPD can get away with riddling an innocent foreigner with dozens of bullets when he did not understand their Freeze! order and made what they perceived as a threatening move. In India, the policemen concerned would be immediately suspended and chargesheeted for undue use of force and for second degree murder; this has happened in many cases of police firing on rioting mobs, and also in counter-terrorism cases of the so-called 'encounters'.

No one in India could have shot a (Japanese) teenager who entered the lawn of his residence on Hallowe'en and killed him, as the house owner in a US town did, and then cited self-defense against 'threatening trespass'.

So there are differences in the laws to some extent, and more so in the way they are applied, but it is true that circumstantial evidence has generally to be backed up by hard evidence. However, I doubt if "the case would be thrown out unless hard evidence is produced", an not just in India. Both British and American legal annals are full of cases where convictions were secured purely on circumstantial evidence, some of them for the death sentence (and some were later proved to have been wrong). This is true of most judicial systems.

But I should add that the most unreliable, and thus the most dangerous of all evidence is identification by eye witnesses! Then there is deliberate manipulation of forensic evidence, as in the Harrison Ford movie Presumed Innocent.

Then again, convictions for capital crimes attracted the death penalty in the UK till it was abolished in 1969 for murder (and comprehensively in 1998), while the US still executes more people every year than perhaps any other country except China. That means that a false conviction that attracted the death penalty in the US would be irreparable – any number of such cases come to light all the time, mostly due to the new DNA techniques. In India, the last hanging, for the rape and murder of a 14 year old girl by a watchman in the housing complex where she lived (he, by the way, was a Bengali Brahmin, not a dalit), was in 2004. It is used only in 'the rarest of rare cases' and in fact I think that for heinous crimes against women and children by monsters in human form, it should be used much more often.

To revert to our PR, I agree that the circumstantial evidence against Arjun could not justify a conviction for murder. But once he gets into the maze of a prosecution, if it cannot be proved that he could not have done it because of the time factor, the fact that the body was found in his car would weigh heavily against him, however unfair it might seem. Let us suppose that it was not Arjun, but the real murderer. He too could argue that the body was planted. This way, every criminal would have to be given the benefit of the doubt and would be acquitted.

In fact, Arjun is lucky that there are no purported eyewitnesses. One can have no idea what all they can imagine that they saw, with a little help from the police. Have you read the Perry Mason novels, and how the DA's office neatly organizes the identification parades AFTER having informally given the witness a good close look at the accused? No wonder then that the witness is then so categoric in identifying the accused – often completely wrongly – and such is their self-belief that they cannot be shaken by the toughest cross-examination. Such things, dear Archana, happen all the time even in your "good old justice system". And I am here not even talking of biases based on colour or other factors, which are everywhere, including in the police. In India too.

As for the charge, one has as yet no idea what it would be, and that would depend not only on whether the man in dead, but also on what the background to the crime is. For example, he could be accused of transporting the body to help out a gang. If he insists on remaining 'just Arjun', he will be a sitting duck for this kind of charge. The Mumbai underworld has any number of footsoldiers!

That is more than enough, I should think! Bye for now.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: vgiri

Welcome back Archana.. Hope u had a good vacation. we missed you here..

Few things that came to my mind...

1. When the cops opened the trunk, they immediately untied the person's hand and removed the tape from his mouth. Usually they dont do that if the person is dead. so we dont know whether he is dead.

2. Arjun had no clue about the body in the trunk which means he has not touched the body. so they cannot find Arjun's finger prints. Arjun has never been convicted before.

3. From what I know, things can easily be manipulated or setup in India and people make deal with legal authorities to give verdict in favor of the highest bidder. At the moment Arjun is a middle class person. so things are not looking good for him. (Archana..do u remember Scott Peterson case.. he was given death sentence based on circumstantial evidence..whereas Casey Anthony escaped without hard evidence)

Let us see what happens tomorrow..