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sashashyam

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Posted: 13 years ago

#11

Dear Kalapi,

I agree. There is a time and a place for everything, and that time has passed as far as Archana coming clean on this particular point is concerned. But then her actions are so often irrational and opaque. I would feel sorry for her, as so many others do, were it not for the heedless harshness with which she tramples over Purvi's dreams.

As Jyoti had highlighted in another thread, Archana, though she seems to literally haunt the Karanjkar residence all the time (her auto bill must be astronomical, and as she does not appear to be working at all these days, I wonder how she meets them!), is yet to sit down and have a heart to heart conversation with this daughter of hers whom she claims to love so much, and find out just WHAT had happened between her and Arjun.

If I was Archana, that is the first thing I would have done, instead of slapping the living daylights out of her, and then fixing her with stern, accusing glares whenever she comes face to face with her. No wonder poor Purvi shrinks into her shell any time her aai turns up, and stares at her like a rabbit transfixed by the headlights of an oncoming truck.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: Kalapi
Dear Shyamala,

Agree with you about Teju. Her loyalty lies with her twin sister and not Purvi, who she only met a few months back and who she sees as 'the' person taking away Arjun from Ovi. In reality, this is what is expected and true even though she doesn't want Ovi to marry Arjun anymore, but the fact remains that even though Archana's openly assured that she doesn't think Arjun deserves any of the girls, but putting forth a challenge (and that of peanut amount, not any huge unattainable amount) leaves the door wide open for a motive of actually aiding Arjun/Porvi's marriage while discouraging Arjun/Ovi's marriage at the same time.

It was only last week, I saw few posts defending Archana for not coming out with the truth about the challenge with the Desmukh. Well she needed to come out in the open only to prevent further misunderstandings between her and the Desmukhs. But, now the golden opportunity has passed and when and however the truth comes out it will be seen in the light that Archana is aiding Arjun/Purvi's marriage by challenging Arjun to earn $10K only and purposely misleading the Desmukhs (esp. how the whole Arjun/Porvi/ovi saga has played out so far and in light of Archana's huge alimony demands ' it is hard for the Desmukhs to think that she isn't playing another game with them). So, if Archana wanted to be in the clear, she should have told the truth that day when Ovi was accusing Manav. Alas, an opportunity missed, is missed forever.

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sashashyam

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Posted: 13 years ago

#12

Dear latanzia,

Thanks a lot for the kind words.

One point to be kept in mind: plainspeak is no longer going to work with Ovi, if ever it would have. No one could have been plainer spoken than Arjun yesterday, and the end result was, I think, to send her off the deep end.

She is not normal now, and the sooner Manav takes her to a psychiatrist the better. I was seriously disturbed by the way on which she took the large spanner to the headlights and backlights and the hood. She could very well take it to a person, Purvi, for choice.

I read a post yesterday that she would never hurt Arjun, whom she loves more than anyone and anything else, but this too might not hold for much longer. Right now, as shown in the precap, she is still clinging to the delusion that he loves her, but if and when Teju succeeds in destroying this bramh (illusion) of hers, she might cross the thin line between love and hate as far as Arjun goes.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: latanzia
awsome post, it is so true Archana i an absolute dormat when it comes to manav and his family. this girl does not know what she wants, she cannot or refuse to take control of her life,it's like she's a spectator watching her life fall apart. 😭
Where is the anger and strength that she unleash on purvi and arjun, i want to c that woman dealing with savita and family especially OVI.

I understand where Teju is comming from anyone in her position would react the same way. Archana is flipping both sides of the coin, u r either for the relationship or against it, there is no middle ground.

This Ovi situation needs to be handle differently,they need to take off the kids glove n deal with her as an adult instead of a delicate flower.

i was very disappointed with manav today, wishing he did not come to india, this is what u call burying your head in the sand. It is better everyone knows the truth now than after they were married n arjun had ended up having an affair on ovi.

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GManda72

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Posted: 13 years ago

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Originally posted by: sashashyam
Dear Kalapi,

I agree. There is a time and a place for everything, and that time has passed as far as Archana coming clean on this particular point is concerned. But then her actions are so often irrational and opaque. I would feel sorry for her, as so many others do, were it not for the heedless harshness with which she tramples over Purvi's dreams.

As Jyoti had highlighted in another thread, Archana, though she seems to literally haunt the Karanjkar residence all the time (her auto bill must be astronomical, and as she does not appear to be working at all these days, I wonder how she meets them!), is yet to sit down and have a heart to heart conversation with this daughter of hers whom she claims to love so much, and find out just WHAT had happened between her and Arjun.

If I was Archana, that is the first thing I would have done, instead of slapping the living daylights out of her, and then fixing her with stern, accusing glares whenever she comes face to face with her. No wonder poor Purvi shrinks into her shell any time her aai turns up, and stares at her like a rabbit transfixed by the headlights of an oncoming truck.

Shyamala

Purvi is not at all the shrinking wallflower that she is projecting herself to be these days, judging from her past behaviour.

She has been taking a lot of initiative to "arrange" Archana 's life for her when she confronted Sachin, spoke to the judge and got the court to send Archana to live with that psycho family, inspite of knowing very well what Archana herself wanted. All with "good intentions" of course .

But when Archana is strict with her then her past, present and extrapolated future behaviour is used to take potshots at her. At least she is upfront about what she is doing.

Purvi can use some of her "boldness' for herself and tell Archana to keep off. Instead of appearing like a tongue-tied drooping violet all the time. No sympathy for her in this respect from my side. Sorry.

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Posted: 13 years ago

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Originally posted by: Kalapi
Dear Shyamala,

Agree with you about Teju. Her loyalty lies with her twin sister and not Purvi, who she only met a few months back and who she sees as 'the' person taking away Arjun from Ovi. In reality, this is what is expected and true even though she doesn't want Ovi to marry Arjun anymore, but the fact remains that even though Archana's openly assured that she doesn't think Arjun deserves any of the girls, but putting forth a challenge (and that of peanut amount, not any huge unattainable amount) leaves the door wide open for a motive of actually aiding Arjun/Porvi's marriage while discouraging Arjun/Ovi's marriage at the same time.

It was only last week, I saw few posts defending Archana for not coming out with the truth about the challenge with the Desmukh. Well she needed to come out in the open only to prevent further misunderstandings between her and the Desmukhs. But, now the golden opportunity has passed and when and however the truth comes out it will be seen in the light that Archana is aiding Arjun/Purvi's marriage by challenging Arjun to earn $10K only and purposely misleading the Desmukhs (esp. how the whole Arjun/Porvi/ovi saga has played out so far and in light of Archana's huge alimony demands ' it is hard for the Desmukhs to think that she isn't playing another game with them). So, if Archana wanted to be in the clear, she should have told the truth that day when Ovi was accusing Manav. Alas, an opportunity missed, is missed forever.

agrreed

about supporting her sister, i was petrified that maybe she wud go all gaga over ourvi considering she stayed with the girl or turn her back to ovi however delusional she has become.

no brother/sister is going to take this lying down. what arjun blurted out in front of teju. thank god teju was civil to the guy who didnt even show a bit of remorse

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newt2007

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Posted: 13 years ago

#15

Archu got angry when she got to know about Arjun-Purvi realtionship. She just saw them hugging and blasted Purvi without giving her chance to explain the truth. Same attitude is reflected in Teju here. When she came to know Arjun doing all these to get Purvi. That too becasue of the condition placed by Archu. without giving a chance to Archu, Teju blasted her. Exact replica of her mother.

Teju is trying to find out the truth about Archu. She has doubt on Savita's word when she saw Manav's love for Archu. She is also worried about Ovi. When Archu replied to Savita's condition saying 'Arjun is not worth for Ovi and Purvi' her confidence increased on Archu.

Suddenly hearing a contradict statement from Arjun triggered Teju's confusion on Archu. Its natural and bound to change when she understands the truth. Teju is not blind like Ovi. Teju has the habit of looking things with more concentration.

Teju' emotion is also swinging between Archu and Savita now. we have to wait for few more episodes to see how Teju turns.

When Savita comes to know about this, she will taunt Archu more. teju will get affected by Savita's words and surely will start think about archu's challenge to Arjun.

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sashashyam

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Posted: 13 years ago

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@red. I do not see why you have to be sorry for saying something that makes good sense. Many of us, myself included, have been constantly irritated and exasperated by Purvi's inability to stand up for herself and for Arjun, most recently when Archana was excoriating him and not letting him get a word in edgeways. She could and should have said something, even while remaining within the bounds of the respect and affection due from her to her mother.

I do not however think that Purvi is 'projecting herself' as a wallflower. She seems to suffer from a sort of dual personality, one brisk and managerial and forceful, as in the examples you have cited, and the other as she has been for quite a while now, a spineless goongi gudiya in front of her aai, in which avatar she gets my goat time and again.

This contradiction is, to my mind, largely due to the same factor that drove her to take those forceful steps you have mentioned: a burning, over-mastering desire to see her mother happily settled with her lost family, and not to let her give up the chance of doing this for a foolish promise given to Sachin. Now, however, she is terrified that her aai will be so angry with her over Arjun that she will lose her love and approval and become, so to speak, an orphan again. It is an excessive emotional dependence that is crippling. One can deplore it, but it is there.

As for Archana, in PR I, despite her excessive goodness, her self-sacrifice syndrome and other irritating traits, I always used to feel very sorry for her. But now it is different. If Purvi had been my daughter, and I had known and loved her for 18 years, I would have first sat her down and had a heart to heart chat with her to find out just WHAT had been going on between her and Arjun. I would not have slapped her and shouted at her and cross-questioned her with a total lack of empathy. Arjun is one thing, he is after all a stranger, but Purvi is her own daughter, and Archana should have been far more understanding and should have got at the facts first.

It is entirely possible that you will not agree with much of the above, and I respect that. However, I feel all this quite strongly, and I just wanted to put it down for whatever it was worth.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: GManda72

Purvi is not at all the shrinking wallflower that she is projecting herself to be these days, judging from her past behaviour.

She has been taking a lot of initiative to "arrange" Archana 's life for her when she confronted Sachin, spoke to the judge and got the court to send Archana to live with that psycho family, inspite of knowing very well what Archana herself wanted. All with "good intentions" of course .

But when Archana is strict with her then her past, present and extrapolated future behaviour is used to take potshots at her. At least she is upfront about what she is doing.

Purvi can use some of her "boldness' for herself and tell Archana to keep off. Instead of appearing like a tongue-tied drooping violet all the time. No sympathy for her in this respect from my side. Sorry.

Originally posted by: sashashyam
Dear Kalapi,

I agree. There is a time and a place for everything, and that time has passed as far as Archana coming clean on this particular point is concerned. But then her actions are so often irrational and opaque. I would feel sorry for her, as so many others do, were it not for the heedless harshness with which she tramples over Purvi's dreams.

As Jyoti had highlighted in another thread, Archana, though she seems to literally haunt the Karanjkar residence all the time (her auto bill must be astronomical, and as she does not appear to be working at all these days, I wonder how she meets them!), is yet to sit down and have a heart to heart conversation with this daughter of hers whom she claims to love so much, and find out just WHAT had happened between her and Arjun.

If I was Archana, that is the first thing I would have done, instead of slapping the living daylights out of her, and then fixing her with stern, accusing glares whenever she comes face to face with her. No wonder poor Purvi shrinks into her shell any time her aai turns up, and stares at her like a rabbit transfixed by the headlights of an oncoming truck.

Shyamala

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sashashyam

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Posted: 13 years ago

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Dear newt2007,

I would agree with much of your detailed analysis, and I too feel that Teju, with her good nature and her good sense, will make things out for herself sooner rather than later.

However, it is not accurate to say that Teju blasted Archana without giving her a chance to speak up. She does let her talk and she does listen to her.

Archana is not able to give any convincing reply because, as set out in my post, she has, by issuing this particular challenge to Arjun, gone back on what she had, in effect, promised Savita that she would do. She is simply unable to explain why she changed her mind. And seeing the terms of the challenge, every suspicion that Teju might have had would be only reinforced.

Secondly, she is unable to explain why she did not come out with the truth when Ovi was fighting with Manav about Arjun having left his home.

In contrast, what Archana does, both when she is slapping and abusing Purvi, and later when she is chewing Arjun out, is exactly a you have put it. She literally does not let either of them get a single word in. Purvi is terrified of this avatar of her mother, and so she says nothing and merely weeps, whereas Arjun stands his ground and does manage to get across to Archana what his intentions are.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: newt2007
Archu got angry when she got to know about Arjun-Purvi realtionship. She just saw them hugging and blasted Purvi without giving her chance to explain the truth. Same attitude is reflected in Teju here. When she came to know Arjun doing all these to get Purvi. That too becasue of the condition placed by Archu. without giving a chance to Archu, Teju blasted her. Exact replica of her mother.

Teju is trying to find out the truth about Archu. She has doubt on Savita's word when she saw Manav's love for Archu. She is also worried about Ovi. When Archu replied to Savita's condition saying 'Arjun is not worth for Ovi and Purvi' her confidence increased on Archu.

Suddenly hearing a contradict statement from Arjun triggered Teju's confusion on Archu. Its natural and bound to change when she understands the truth. Teju is not blind like Ovi. Teju has the habit of looking things with more concentration.

Teju' emotion is also swinging between Archu and Savita now. we have to wait for few more episodes to see how Teju turns.

When Savita comes to know about this, she will taunt Archu more. teju will get affected by Savita's words and surely will start think about archu's challenge to Arjun.

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sashashyam

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Posted: 13 years ago

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Dear Inkpen4877,

Hear, hear, hear! Especially @ red.

I think Archana believes that Arjun will fail because she wants him to fail. That would suit her much better, otherwise, as she tells Sulochana after that ghastly scene when she slapped and berated Purvi, what face would she show to Manav and Ovi?

But then what of Purvi? Archana does not want to feel guilty about the suffering this will cause Purvi. What then is the way out? Why, just declare that Purvi is not in love with Arjun, she simply 'thinks' that she is in love with him! It is like what Humpty Dumpty says in Alice in Wonderland, " A word means what I say it means, neither more nor less".

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: Inkpen4877
I am pretty sure today was Tejus knee jerk reaction, Archana seems to believe that Arjun is going to bored and not want to work for Purvi, she's obviously going to be proven wrong well at least that is my hope.

I am also hoping that Purvi gets her backbone back.. I think that she feels guilty for keeping the truth about Arjun from her Aai and her Aai fervently defending her. Emotional blackmail is a powerful motivator & telling purvi to choose between Arjun and her is emotional blackmail in the highest form

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bee5

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Posted: 13 years ago

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Dear Shyamala,

I haven't read a lot of posts so I don't know where Teju's actions are being criticized (would definitely like to read them if you can give me reference). Anyway here are my thoughts:

1. A few days back Teju overhears Savita-Archana conversation:

For Savita, if Ovi, her granddaughter cannot get Arjun, then Purvi should also not get Arjun. It is a selfish streak and this is what Teju saw that day.

2. Friday's episode (29th June 2012):

Teju after coming to know about Arjun leaving company and house (from Ovi), is discussing the matter with Savita:

Teju says that Arjun was a simple and very intelligent person earlier, and something has changed in him after coming to India. She also takes Archana's "side" in front of Savita and says that "Archana Aunty is right, Arjun is neither good for Ovi nor Purvi" and also says that if Purvi was infact luring Arjun, then Arjun could have said "No"?. (Here Teju is forgetting to realize that Arjun-Purvi love could actually be mutual, but that is besides the point.)

3. In yesterday's episode she comes to know about Archana's challenge to Arjun.

4. Teju doesn't care if 'Arjun wins the challenge' OR ' if Arjun gets Purvi' OR 'if Arjun finally has to realize the importance of Ovi and comes back'. It is nothing of that. She seems to be clear that Arjun is not good for Ovi at any cost. But her grouse in all this is about Archana's stand. As far as she knows Archana was going to keep Purvi and Arjun apart. But as per the measley challenge and the fact that Arjun has come to stay right next to their chawl, the challenge of "keeping apart" is not going to happen. It is nothing about the end result of the "keeping apart" that she is interested in, but for her, why Archana gave such a simple challenge in the name of "keeping them apart" is her issue.

In addition, she also sees that:

5. Archana by giving the challenge has brought a well educated and well living guy on the "roads", make him quit his company, leave his house etc.

6. she also realizes that when Archana could correct the misunderstanding of Ovi that it was manav who is the cause for Arjun's current situation, Archana did not say a word.

7. Earlier, she had seen how Archana is so meek and accepts every thing coming from Savita without any revolt.

8. She had also seen how Archana was caring during her 3 month stay in the K house.

Given all the background and the current facts which are very conflicting, Teju cannot trust which Archana is the real one in all of these. This is the same issue with Sachin as well and also with Manav.

Archana's actions and behaviors are conflicting and hence Teju taking Archana to task was very valid, anyone would behave the same way. It is simply normal, when you see that a person is saying one thing, doing something else and hiding facts. Teju was starting to trust Archana and suspect Savita is not really telling the truth (Archana's reality and divorce matter were some examples for her), but this glaring fact about Arjun's challenge, uprooting him from his well-life, the challenge itself being too simple which would make Arjun the winner thereby negating Purvi's separation from Arjun, all are such facts that it all contradicts Teju's belief on the "good" Archana. So, what is she to do? Definitely not trust and takes her to task rather than keep quiet, which is not what she is and that too when the issue is about her family and her Ovi.

In all these I seriously do not understand is -

- if Archana thought that earning Rs.10K was too difficult and genuinely thought that Arjun wouldn't pass the challenge

- like Teju is accusing, Archana really has given a simple task so that Arjun would eventually win the challenge gets Purvi, that she geniuenly wanted Arjun to understand the difficulties of a small life?

For us and for Teju, we may think Rs.10K is a easy challenge, but may be Archana does not think so? I ask this because even in yday's episode Archana is so confident that in 4 days Arjun will get tired and run away to his old rich-life.

Purvi was bold and did know exactly how to get what she wants, but that was when the matter was about Archana's life. Purvi when the matter is about herself and also about love, she is never going to go against Archana.

1st it is because this is not Archana's issue, but her own. She will not be shown 'selfish'. (Was it in Monday's episode where they show Purvi again prayingin temple for Archana's life to become okay?)

2nd Purvi's boldness and go-get attitude is "relative". It depends on who is at the receiving end. If it is her mother, then no, she will not use it. Moreever she wants her aai's blessing out of free-will than using any force.

Edited by bee5 - 13 years ago

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sashashyam

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Posted: 13 years ago

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Dear bee5,

There is nothing that znyone could fault in your detailed and logical analysis. As for what makes Purvi behave in such a schizophrenic fashion, what you have noted is the same as what I had set out, at somewhat greater length, in my response above to GManda.

Your conclusion, that she will never go against Archana, should make Arjun's heart sink. And mine as well. The curious thing is that if Arjun had been in Purvi's place, and he had backed out because DK forbade his marriage to Purvi, we would all have excoriated him as a coward. Now when Purvi seems likely to do the same thing, if her mother is set against Arjun, I am sure there will no voices raised in even much milder criticism. What is this but double standards?

As I have noted above, catch any kids these days, adopted or not, being so crushed under the burden of gratitude that they end up having spaghetti for a spine when the parent is concerned! Our sanskaari Purvi, however, defies this 21st century norm. One's heart goes out to poor Arjun! Fate is playing Russian roulette with him.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: bee5
Dear Shyamala,
I haven't read a lot of posts so I don't know where Teju's actions are being criticized (would definitely like to read them if you can give me reference). Anyway here are my thoughts:

1. A few days back Teju overhears Savita-Archana conversation:
For Savita, if Ovi, her granddaughter cannot get Arjun, then Purvi should also not get Arjun. It is a selfish streak and this is what Teju saw that day.

2. Friday's episode (29th June 2012):
Teju after coming to know about Arjun leaving company and house (from Ovi), is discussing the matter with Savita:
Teju says that Arjun was a simple and very intelligent person earlier, and something has changed in him after coming to India. She also takes Archana's "side" in front of Savita and says that "Archana Aunty is right, Arjun is neither good for Ovi nor Purvi" and also says that if Purvi was infact luring Arjun, then Arjun could have said "No"?. (Here Teju is forgetting to realize that Arjun-Purvi love could actually be mutual, but that is besides the point.)

3. In yesterday's episode she comes to know about Archana's challenge to Arjun.

4. Teju doesn't care if 'Arjun wins the challenge' OR ' if Arjun gets Purvi' OR 'if Arjun finally has to realize the importance of Ovi and comes back'. It is nothing of that. She seems to be clear that Arjun is not good for Ovi at any cost. But her grouse in all this is about Archana's stand. As far as she knows Archana was going to keep Purvi and Arjun apart. But as per the measley challenge and the fact that Arjun has come to stay right next to their chawl, the challenge of "keeping apart" is not going to happen. It is nothing about the end result of the "keeping apart" that she is interested in, but for her, why Archana gave such a simple challenge in the name of "keeping them apart" is her issue.

In addition, she also sees that:
5. Archana by giving the challenge has brought a well educated and well living guy on the "roads", make him quit his company, leave his house etc.

6. she also realizes that when Archana could correct the misunderstanding of Ovi that it was manav who is the cause for Arjun's current situation, Archana did not say a word.

7. Earlier, she had seen how Archana is so meek and accepts every thing coming from Savita without any revolt.

8. She had also seen how Archana was caring during her 3 month stay in the K house.

Given all the background and the current facts which are very conflicting, Teju cannot trust which Archana is the real one in all of these. This is the same issue with Sachin as well and also with Manav.
Archana's actions and behaviors are conflicting and hence Teju taking Archana to task was very valid, anyone would behave the same way. It is simply normal, when you see that a person is saying one thing, doing something else and hiding facts.

In all these I seriously do not understand is -
- if Archana thought that earning Rs.10K was too difficult and genuinely thought that Arjun wouldn't pass the challenge
OR
- like Teju is accusing, Archana really has given a simple task so that Arjun would eventually win the challenge gets Purvi, that she geniuenly wanted Arjun to understand the difficulties of a small life?

For us and for Teju, we may think Rs.10K is a easy challenge, but may be Archana does not think so? I ask this because even in yday's episode Archana is so confident that in 4 days Arjun will get tired and run away to his old rich-life.

Purvi was bold and did know exactly how to get what she wants, but that was when the matter was about Archana's life. Purvi when the matter is about herself and also about love, she is never going to go against Archana.

1st it is because this is not Archana's issue, but her own. She will not be shown 'selfish'. (Was it in Monday's episode where they show Purvi again prayingin temple for Archana's life to become okay?)

2nd Purvi's boldness and go-get attitude is "relative". It depends on who is at the receiving end. If it is her mother, then no, she will not use it. Moreever she wants her aai's blessing out of free-will than using any force.

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