Will Arjun spill the beans?

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sashashyam

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Posted: 13 years ago

#71

Dear Janhvi,

When you love someone, and that someone is in a mess, you try to help the person out of that as much as you can, no matter how bad or hurt you yourself feel about it. You don't say that I will help only if the responsibility is 50:50 or 25:75. If you do, you fail both yourself and the person you love.

If they get married, and tomorrow Arjun lands in some sticky situation of his own making, what would Purvi as his wife do? Say that this is not my fault and so let him cope alone? You will say that this is different as her heart is involved. It may be so, but the principle is the same, especially since, if she knows anything about him at all, she should know that he is no two-timer, however stupid he might have been. Is she going to cherry pick when she is going to be his strength and when she is going to let him twist in the wind? This is not love, at least not as I understand it.

Actually, I do not think Purvi has an understanding or forgiving nature except where her Manav Baba is concerned. What Manav has done and is doing to Archana is far worse than anything Arjun has done to Purvi, and yet she turns a blind eye to to all that and hero worships him. With anyone else, in a crunch situation, she would probably stand in judgement and behave exactly as Archana did towards Manav in the chawl demolition affair. It was not her fault that he did not land in jail for a stiff sentence. And yet she claims a pavitra rishta with Manav. Purvi is very likely made in the same mould.

If for Purvi, "setting things right ... might mean making her mother and baba understand as well", she must be cuckoo. Let her just try and make her family understand why she is "robbing" their beloved Ovi of her "right".

Nor can Arjun clear the situation without revealing her name. DK insisted on knowing it, and even if Arjun avoids telling Ovi, he cannot escape with Manav. Even he does not tell them anything, and it comes out later, as is inevitable if they ever want to get married, do you think that will make Manav and the rest more forgiving towards Purvi? Not at all. She cannot expect to stay in hiding and emerge like Cinderella, she will have to come out and face the music with Arjun, or else give him up.

Nor can Arjun or anyone else " make things as before between them."? What is to happen to Ovi will scar the minds of everyone concerned - Manav, Archana, Teju, and Sulochana - and even if they come round eventually, it will never be a whole-hearted acceptance. That is the cross both Arjun and Purvi will have to bear, and she more than he, for she cares far more about being loved by these people than he does. Today, when he tells Ovi he wants to discuss something important with her, one can, for the first time, see the shadow of what will inevitably follow darken Purvi's eyes.

It is unfair, and to her more than to him, for she would have any day preferred to be left alone. But then, who said that life is fair?

Shyamala

Originally posted by: euphoric

hi... yes its Sonia 😊

bingo! rightly put... absence of Purvi is disoritening him. While for her a lot is at stake. Its not just her life, her whole family will be strained further more. When Arjun turned to Ovi in today's epi i Purvi sort of had an... awakening??🤔 u cud see realization hitting her hard and fast

And why blame Purvi? How would have Arjun reacted if it was Purvi flaunting an engagement ring and hanging on another man's arm while proclaiming her love for Arjun?

Sonia

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soapwatcher1

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Posted: 13 years ago

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Shyamala, yes when you love someone, you do help them out. Purvi would help Arjun out if he was in any kind of mess that didn't involve her.
You talk about after marriage, this is betrayal, a wife will not help a husband sort out his feelings and get out of an affair wih another woman if he does not have the guts to get out of it himself. If he has intentions to break off the affair, the wife should not be expected to help.
Yes, if she loves him enough and believes there is a chance to mend the relationship, the wife may take measures like counseling, sorting it out, etc. These things do not apply in the present situation.
Purvi is the outside person, the other woman so to speak in this circumstance and she cannot be expected to hang on his arm adoringly and in private till he sorts out his mess. He knows she loves him, she didn't deny it even at the office this morning and that is all she can do. He needs to sort it out in his own head, have the gumption to act on his resolve to break it off with Ovi.

Arjun is all talk, he is selfish as he seems to care only about how he feels, how he feels towards Purvi, how he feels towards Ovi, his dad, his self respect, etc. If he wants a Chupke Chupke Pyaar with Purvi while he musters enough courage and waits for the right opportunity to tell all, Purvi is the wrong girl. Her morals are beyond reproach and I hope the CVs maintain that in her character.
I almost puked that he is more concerned about Ovi today than what he is putting Purvi through.
Sadly, Arjun will NEVER spill the beans voluntarily. Mr. Kirloskar that is another gauntlet thrown by a fan, see if you can rise to the challenge.

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sashashyam

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Posted: 13 years ago

#73

Dear Janhvi,

I see that this is another of those East is East and West is West and never the twain shall meet kind of situation, and as we cannot inflict a ping pong match on the rest of the forum, I am bowing out.

Faced with a fast deteriorating script and lousy character development, I am sure lambasting Arjun and sympathising with Purvi it makes you and a lot of others feel better, and why not? As for me, I have never been a Purvi-phile like you and Trish, and am now less and less of an Arjun-phile, so I am fast approaching the "a plague on both your houses" phase, which will probably lead to my ultimate liberation from this quagmire. Frankly, I do not know WHAT I am doing typing out posts past midnight, when I know that nothing I say or anyone else says is going to make the least bit of difference to a script that is fast approaching stasis. it is a ridiculous waste of time, to put it mildly.

You have, I see , addressed only the first two paras of my post, but the rest matters just as much or more, for that is not merely an assessment of these characters, but an assessment of how things are likely to turn out for them. The main point that is being slurred over in the desperate desire to have Arjun tell Ovi all is that once that is done, there will be another and worse set of problems, and these mostly for Purvi. There is no logical and really happy ending here. I do wish it was a Greek tragedy and they would just kill off the main leads and leave us in peace.

Good night, though it must be broad daylight for you.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: soapwatcher1
Shyamala, yes when you love someone, you do help them out. Purvi would help Arjun out if he was in any kind of mess that didn't involve her.
You talk about after marriage, this is betrayal, a wife will not help a husband sort out his feelings and get out of an affair wih another woman if he does not have the guts to get out of it himself. If he has intentions to break off the affair, the wife should not be expected to help.
Yes, if she loves him enough and believes there is a chance to mend the relationship, the wife may take measures like counseling, sorting it out, etc. These things do not apply in the present situation.

Purvi is the outside person, the other woman so to speak in this circumstance and she cannot be expected to hang on his arm adoringly and in private till he sorts out his mess. He knows she loves him, she didn't deny it even at the office this morning and that is all she can do. He needs to sort it out in his own head, have the gumption to act on his resolve to break it off with Ovi.

Arjun is all talk, he is selfish as he seems to care only about how he feels, how he feels towards Purvi, how he feels towards Ovi, his dad, his self respect, etc. If he wants a Chupke Chupke Pyaar with Purvi while he musters enough courage and waits for the right opportunity to tell all, Purvi is the wrong girl. Her morals are beyond reproach and I hope the CVs maintain that in her character.

I almost puked that he is more concerned about Ovi today than what he is putting Purvi through.

Sadly, Arjun will NEVER spill the beans voluntarily. Mr. Kirloskar that is another gauntlet thrown by a fan, see if you can rise to the challenge.

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soapwatcher1

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Posted: 13 years ago

#74

Dear Shyamala, I do see your point of view and like you, am growing to be somewhat indifferent to this set of lovers, might not seem like that by my pro Purvi posts but the CVs are butchering the characters to such an extent, they push them this way and that like a pendulum, that I am fast losing interest. My arguments are solely based on a real life Arjun if any.

This Arjun took us by storm with his charm, his intensity and his sincerity but the CVs have left no remnants of the original Arjun Kirloskar.

Yes, it is broad daylight here, past noon but I entreat you to not stop writing as your play with words even if they are about airy nothings and inconsequential things are still a delight to indulge in and worth more than a single read.

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sashashyam

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Posted: 13 years ago

#75

Dear Janhvi,

As for a real life Arjun, I am much older than you are, or at least I presume so, and I have seen a few of these, though not, thankfully, at the personal level! They are not villains or even selfish people, on the contrary, they are in fact sincere and very involved in their affections. But in a crunch situation, they hesitate too long, and when they finally get to the point, it is often too late. One cannot really blame them for not wanting to hurt those close to them more than can be helped, but as Chairman Mao famously said, you cannot make omelettes without breaking eggs, and to reword him a bit, a love affair is not a tea party. Someone or some people, are going to get hurt, and the whole question is at what point do you start feeling that it is simply not worth the burden of guilt.

I do not think you would have seen this post of mine in response to a rather nice one from Dabulls23, so I am just copying it below for you. Just leave out the penultimate para on Purvi, which is bound to irritate you, and take a look at the rest. You might find it of interest. Dabulls23's post (and of course my response), can be found on the My Two Cents thread by newbie20000, which is a delight not to be missed (naturally I feel that way in part because we see eye to eye on Arjun-Purvi! But there is more to it than just that, so if you have not done so already, please take a look at that thread when you have the time).

One little prediction for tonight. I think Purvi, now having come face to face with the prospect of Ovi being told about her, and this after having watched Archana gift the little Ganesha idol to Ovi and bless her, and her aaji put the kaajal mark on Ovi's neck to ward off the evil eye, will decide that she cannot cope with the consequences if Arjun does spill the beans (why beans, one wonders. Why not peas? It is worth looking into). As she cannot invent a plausible excuse for taking him aside and talking to him, she will SMS him, and he will get it just as, having primed himself adequately, he clears his throat for the nth time. She would have worded it not as a request but as a fiat, and as he is really rather afraid of her, he will suspend operations till he has been able to talk to Purvi about this.

The precap with Ovi probably comes right after this. Ovi might have to leave immediately to avoid being sued for breach of contract, which means that Arjun will be back to the long distance option for coming clean.

Meanwhile Purvi will consign him to the deep freezer, not because he had not told Ovi, naturally, since that was because of her, but because she now feels this is a non-starter. So do I, and if he was not so interesting an actor even when he is being terminally asinine, I would give up on PR straightaway, if only to avoid having to listen to Hai Rabba, mainu kee kara in umpteen more repeats.

Let us see how far my attempt at entering into the minds of the CVs has been successful! Well, I was right as far as Savita not landing up at the party was concerned, but as I conceded, she will arrive soon. Then the shift in focus from Arjun-Purvi to Archana-Manav will become more pronounced. I feel quite sorry they have left Punni stranded in Nagpur. She would have been a potent ingredient for this witches' brew of a 'script'.

Shyamala

Sashashyam: Posted: 12 May 2012 at 11:33pm | IP Logged

Dear Dabulls23,

Thank you for this very thoughtful and well analysed post.

I agree with what you say - that "Ovi should have been told abt breaking up engagement, Purvi should have been told abt him being engaged to Ovi at one time and than confessing his love for purvi. All clean and everyone on same page so no one feeling he cheated or betrayed." I suppose Arjun's only defence is that he did not plan to fall in love with Purvi, and that as he had no experience or even understanding of love, he had no idea what he had got himself into before it was too late, and he was in too deep to get out easily, or at all.

His agreeing to marry Ovi seems to have been a quixotic decision taken, as he tells Aashana, to please her and both their families (that scene was exceptionally badly written; to rescue a childhood friend from the unwelcome attentions of another man, you just have to warn him off, you do not need to provide a locus standi as a fiance! But this was of a piece with a lot else in this incoherent serial). So he probably thinks of it as something that can be repudiated without too much of a problem, and in fact when he calls Ovi the morning after the scene with Aashana, he tells her, without any hesitation or any preambles, that he loves someone else.

That is because she was then not face to face with him. Now that he has been unable to do it long distance, and has to look at her while he is telling her this, it is MUCH more difficult. I find Arjun most exasperating and wimpish these days, but his hesitation in getting to the point quickly with Ovi, much as he wants to do so, is something I can readily understand.

I also agree that if Arjun had got married to Ovi as planned, he would have been quite comfortable with her, as she would have accepted him and adored him as he was, and would not have made any demands on him or tried to change him. But that was not to be, as the deities who preside over the 'script', such as it is, have so decreed. So there is no arguing about that; besides, if that had happened, there would be no more story.

If he were to marry her now, it would be quite different, as he would still be besotted with Purvi and it would be very unfair to any other girl he married, and especially for Ovi, and equally, perhaps more, to Arjun himself.

Now, as you say, it is a mess all the way around, and there are no clean solutions that will not leave all three scarred to some degree or the other. So the CVs are helping things along by making Purvi so shrewish and harsh, and Arjun so weak and ineffective, that we are likely to end up saying "A plague on both your houses!" and stopping caring about what happens to either of them. Which is one way out of the mess (for us, that is).

You have also asked the most pertinent question of all - one that has so far never been raised in this forum - Arjun has changed for Purvi but has Purvi changed for him or does she accept him for who he is???? The simple answer is 'No'. Purvi will not change for anyone. She sees no need to, and since Arjun pampers her so much and puts her on a pedestal, this tendency towards self-righteousness must have been reinforced. It is just like with Archana: we are always told "Wo to galti kar hi nahin sakti", no matter if she fails her husband when he needs her the most, during the chawl demolition episode, or when she hands Soham over to her psychotic sister overriding Manav's objections.

With Purvi, what is worse is that she cannot find in herself the compassion needed to understand, if not forgive, the failings of others, even if they are those of a person she claims to love. Even if Arjun eventually marries her, Heaven help him if he commits any folly and gets caught!

The one point on which I do not agree with you concerns the comparison between 4 year old, 2 weeks old and a few days old love. The strength of love does not depend on how old it is - after all, not just Romeo but many others have fallen in love at first sight and stayed in love with that person all their lives. And Arjun was never in love with Ovi and now he will never be, whatever happens to his relationship with Purvi.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: soapwatcher1
Dear Shyamala, I do see your point of view and like you, am growing to be somewhat indifferent to this set of lovers, might not seem like that by my pro Purvi posts but the CVs are butchering the characters to such an extent, they push them this way and that like a pendulum, that I am fast losing interest. My arguments are solely based on a real life Arjun if any.

This Arjun took us by storm with his charm, his intensity and his sincerity but the CVs have left no remnants of the original Arjun Kirloskar.

Yes, it is broad daylight here, past noon but I entreat you to not stop writing as your play with words even if they are about airy nothings and inconsequential things are still a delight to indulge in and worth more than a single read.

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