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Posted: 14 years ago

Originally posted by: Dabulls23

Kools no one said Manav is giving up Soham

But helping with license is not same as giving up your child..SYmpathize or empathize with Satish but Manav is doing what he needs to now as his son is being asked in return or favor of a friendship..
Until now Manav has been very courteous to Satish too but now what Doctor, Satish, Archu, Savita all have asked for is to gift Soham to Varsha..Manav finally reached a limit..He cant help Satish with Varsha-SOham obsession...He is right with his stand..Satish should not even expect any understanding from Manav...May be from Archu as she is Varsha's sister but not Manav...I am not being cruel to Satish...He should have nipped it in a bud when this psychotic woman aborted their child w/o his knowledge...He has not done what he needed to do as a husband..Sorry for saying this kadva truth...


I differ .

It cannot be dismissed as helping with license is not same as giving up child . It has to be noted that he was in jail due to someone trying to frame MANAV . Ideally it shud have been Manav's butt that shud have been in jail , not him and his reputation . But he went in coz Shibu misunderstood and framed him by MISTAKE .

Even there Manav was asking him for that license . WHY ? Coz IT WAS HIS NEED . NEED makes a man go down on his knees ...Manav of all people shud know that . Who else shud know meaning of NEED than Manav ?

Satish was not getting BAIL or unable to see FAMILY members . His life was at stake if Manavs bacha is at stake .

After coming from jail , Satishs financial position was NEVER the same again . He lost business . Reputation .

This Manav had given Soham up for 3 years . Where was this spirit then ? This means he CAN understand when he chooses to .

And all I am saying is he can REFUSE POLITELY to this man . Join hands and say I have reached my tether , Sorry but NO . Say it .But do not IGNORE him as if he was a beggar and go . Today you have wealth and a baby BOTH ...remember the days when u needed something and was BEGGING people . Treat Varsha differently as she was arrogant . But THIS MAN WAS DECENT TO U .

I believe in one on One equation . No need to compromise on ur stand but who to respect even while refusing is entirely a matter of choice .




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Posted: 14 years ago

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

But Who is saying Manav shud give Soham up . All i am saying is while refusing show the man respct .Seeing him coming up the stairs Manav was walking away with annoyed face .So soon he forgot how he was chakkar marofying Satishs office to get that damned license ? Arre he was in JAIL on DRUG charge ...a non bailable offence ...yet he remained polite and calm and gave Manav that damned license . If it is true that when it comes to kid you are beyond politeness etc then it is equally true that when it comes to LIFE and imprisonment , one is BEYOND politeness and respect . But Satish has been tremendously decent to Manav in HIS tough times . Today shoe is on other foot . Dont give ur baby but show him respect . He DID when Manav was in trouble .


Manav never asked Satish to go to jail or any big favour that demanded Satish to break his family. The jailing was unfortunate and Manav did the best to extricate Satish out of it. Manav may not have give equal benefits to Satish in their friendship but he too has proved to be good friend to him. Sudama was no less a friend to Krishna even though he was poorer and less talented.

Like I mentioned before, two people approach things differently. Satish has always been a better man. But just like Satish failed over his love for Varsha and made the request, Manav too failed in politeness to protect his child.
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Posted: 14 years ago
Satish needs to ask similar type of help than..Do not mix personal and business...Just like for misely few lakh FD Savita is scheaming to break up ArMan and their family same way What Satish is asking (Soham) in return for letting Manav use license or going to jail...Manav did not ask Satish to go to jail..Yes Satish let him use license that is where it should end..
BTW Manav has already return Satish's favor by putting up with his psycho wife due to Archu's blind love for her..So far Manav has kept issues seperate...Now child's life is at concern and no father would allow that his son be given up to pay for a help regarding license...
Satish and Manav both sould have thought it through use of license by a third party...The repurcussion if something goes wrong the owner of the licese would be in trouble..Neither thought it from business-practical POV...
Why dont Satish go to a professional and get the help his psycho wife needs? Instead of going somewhere where he can't really get the help he needs...
I have been writing since yesterday that I do not feel sorry for anyone..THey all deserve what is coming to them as they all have played stupid part-role and decisions to get where they are..
My only concern is children now...Hell with all adults be it Manav Satish Archu Varsha or Savita...😡
Edited by Dabulls23 - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
Kool , it was never shown that it was Manav or even Archana's intention to give up Soham for good..I know it's a stupid story line but it was changed ..It was made to look like Varsha would come and take the child away for many days and Manav and Archana ( specially Archana ) feeling sorry for Varsha would let her stay with their son so that Varsha's pain would be lessened .A horrible mistake but one that was done uncosciously ...at least this is what the story teller is trying to say I think ...
One of the reasons wh y Manav let his son stay at Satish's was because of respect and care for him and Varsha but after Varsha kidnapped Soham ...Manav is just very very angry,don't blame him at all ...
Till now , Manav or Archana have never wanted Soham to live with Varsha for ever ...but I think tomorrow could well change that ...and the day they give up Soham for good , they will stop being special to me ...I don't think I will like them very much after that .
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Edited by Tanyaz - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
Manav never asked Satish to go to jail or any big favour that demanded Satish to break his family. The jailing was unfortunate and Manav did the best to extricate Satish out of it. Manav may not have give equal benefits to Satish in their friendship but he too has proved to be good friend to him. Sudama was no less a friend to Krishna even though he was poorer and less talented.

Like I mentioned before, two people approach things differently. Satish has always been a better man. But just like Satish failed over his love for Varsha and made the request, Manav too failed in politeness to protect his child.

Did I say that Manav asked Satish to go to jail ?😊

But the fact remains that Manav was USING his license and goofing up in his raw business attempts and affecting Satish's reputation in business circles .

It was Manav who had enemies like Dharmesh and Shibu . At that time this no relative was ready to touch Manav with a barge pole . No job , no business was Manavs condition .

The bottom line was The trap was laid for Manav and Satish walked into it and got ensnared .

one feels a human guilt for this kinda thing ...arre baba unnecessarily coz of me This poor man went in jail ...THAT kind of human guilt .

Even in that jail , Satish sensed his dire need and gave him the license .

Its the SAME MAN at his door step now . With HIS need . The form of need changes but I am talking about NEED and how it makes a man HELPLESS .

Today Manav has money and baby both . Satish has less money than him now and no baby and to top it an insane wife .

Well REFUSE HIM . Refuse to lend him Soham even for 2 hours by saying I dont believe it will help , SORRY .

But show him RESPECT . Is that too much to ask ? Why ? If ur not gonna compromise on ur stand why not show some parting respect to a decent guy ?




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Posted: 14 years ago

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

I differ .

It cannot be dismissed as helping with license is not same as giving up child . It has to be noted that he was in jail due to someone trying to frame MANAV . Ideally it shud have been Manav's butt that shud have been in jail , not him and his reputation . But he went in coz Shibu misunderstood and framed him by MISTAKE .

Even there Manav was asking him for that license . WHY ? Coz IT WAS HIS NEED . NEED makes a man go down on his knees ...Manav of all people shud know that . Who else shud know meaning of NEED than Manav ?

Satish was not getting BAIL or unable to see FAMILY members . His life was at stake if Manavs bacha is at stake .

After coming from jail , Satishs financial position was NEVER the same again . He lost business . Reputation .

This Manav had given Soham up for 3 years . Where was this spirit then ? This means he CAN understand when he chooses to .

And all I am saying is he can REFUSE POLITELY to this man . Join hands and say I have reached my tether , Sorry but NO . Say it .But do not IGNORE him as if he was a beggar and go . Today you have wealth and a baby BOTH ...remember the days when u needed something and was BEGGING people . Treat Varsha differently as she was arrogant . But THIS MAN WAS DECENT TO U .

I believe in one on One equation . No need to compromise on ur stand but who to respect even while refusing is entirely a matter of choice .



Satish was not to be in jail forever...loss of child is not bigger than monetary loss.

Manav never crossed his limit in his needs...monetary help and asking for license are things are acceptable norms.

Soham being with Varsha for three years is an assumption. Its been mentioned on the show that Varsha took Soham away for long intervals and Varsha used to visit Archana to see Soham before that. and manav has himself mentioned that he was never comfortable with Varsha taking Soham to her place for such long intervals but considered it understanding her need for maternal instincts.

Satish was decent to him at all occassions but if Satish can be understood for his request in duress than can be manav in his over protectiveness for Soham. They both are wrong somewhere but not intentionally instead situation has made it like that.








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Posted: 14 years ago
I havn't watched the epi, but was Manav disrespectful towards Satish? if so then totally uncalled for, Satish has done a lot for Manav, the least he can do is be courteous and make him understand his POV
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Posted: 14 years ago
Kools I have no issue with manav saying no to Satish with respect...Given..Just like Satish is over whelmed with Varsha's psychotic behavior and does not know what to do same way Manav has troubles pouring from every which way especially his wife was gungho on giving their child up, Sachu is feeling neglected...Problems from everywhere too...He is overwhelmed too..The thappad Satish gave Varsha today was required long back when she did not take the adoption and started obsessing over Soham..I do agree why did ArMan let Sa-Sha have Soham for 3 yrs? CVs keep changing that story...Yeah if they did I blame them into varsha's condition along with SaSha themselves..
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Posted: 14 years ago
Manav should not have been disrespectful but circumstances made him do just like Satish had to make the request due to circumstances.

Both should be weighed equally considering the duress that they are under.

Anyway, way too late. Man-Sat Zindabad...only not this time. GN to all.

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Posted: 14 years ago

Originally posted by: Dabulls23

Satish needs to ask similar type of help than..Do not mix personal and business...Just like for misely few lakh FD Savita is scheaming to break up ArMan and their family same way What Satish is asking (Soham) in return for letting Manav use license or going to jail...Manav did not ask Satish to go to jail..Yes Satish let him use license that is where it should end..

BTW Manav has already return Satish's favor by putting up with his psycho wife due to Archu's blind love for her..So far Manav has kept issues seperate...Now child's life is at concern and no father would allow that his son be given up to pay for a help regarding license...
Satish and Manav both sould have thought it through use of license by a third party...The repurcussion if something goes wrong the owner of the licese would be in trouble..Neither thought it from business-practical POV...
Why dont Satish go to a professional and get the help his psycho wife needs? Instead of going somewhere where he can't really get the help he needs...


NEED is NEED when it strikes Varsha . When the thunderbolt of NEED strikes , one only runs to somehow tackle it , all these segregations that its PERSONAL , NOT BUSINESS goes down the drain .

He has an insane wife on his head . He is running around trying to seek some relief .

Professional has only advised this so he went .Did not we all see it ? Second opinions r NOT provided in PR .

Today he has heard professionally and also tried leaving City . He went to seek some kind of understanding , bas .

Nahi dena hai bacha to mat do . Why walk off with disgust on face . Zaroorat admi ko is had tak LAATI hai is kadwa sach .

Need brings a man to his knees .

Manav has NOT returned Satish's favor by putting up with his psycho wiife for HIS sake . He put up with Varsha coz it was HIS khujli of LOVING Archu's sisters like his own ...becoming their brother and Sulochanas BETA .

He put up with Varsha for ARCHANA's sake . We all called him joru ka gulam then .

Today he can behave with Satish on a man to man level . Forget archana Forget Varsha .Just see that its a man who was always decent to u .Refuse him , and tell him I draw the line now coz its my son , but let him down softly , will ya ? He was good to u .






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