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Posted: 14 years ago

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

samarth ..........I would not describe Savita as a Kumata . A Kumata is one who harms her own offspring ...........sells it , maims it , kills it , eats it . Savita hates Archana , not her son ,She loves her son deeply in her own way . . I am angry at the CVS for blurring her character and retreating hurriedly realising they went too far with the burning incident . However I wud still not call her evil , i wud call her psychologically crazed with grief and the losses she had incurred by then . Coz they were TREMENDOUS . She has no right to burn the child of someone else's womb yes ...............but had this burning attempt been shown on the day Sachin died , over his dead body , the furore wud have been lesser . People wud have put it down to a crazed mother's grief . Not that I justify it ..THEN or NOW . Unfortunately CVS showed her just yelling and screaming over his dead body and this attempt was shown much later when the girl had waltzed 3 times in and out of her life , disrupting it with her so called sacrifices and each time walking away after throwing her life in havoc . First time by labelling her son characterless , second time when she hERSELF requested her NOT TO GO after ensuring she got attached to her , third time by disrupting an entire bana banaya wedding when she had so many days to discuss this rationally and do it . . I have not asked Manav to go back . I have asked him to provide his family with expenses for their upkeep , and look after baby Sachu who is his dead brothers son . I have asked him NOT to make MOTHER WIFE comparison dialogues tactlessly in front of his ignorant uneducated motherand IN FRONT OF HIS WIFE as that wud further complicate things adversely . I also strongly feel that he shud not flaunt his camaraderie with his bogus sasural so openly on his crass , uneducated mom's face ..........coz she witnessed EVERY INSULT that sasural doled out to him . She was there present for it ALL . Each time she and her son had been thrown out or passed over due to their economic status . All She had was her son . They had EVERYTHING else . Today they have even her son .

You say DARK POSSESIVE LOVE . I somehow dont see u dwelling on the time she requested Archana to stay or the time when she told Archu Sukh Dekar tujhe dukh dete huye jaane ki adat hai , u shudnt have played with our emotions that way then if u intended to go .
When did Savita change Again to worse ? Only when Manav was jailed a second time . By the same family . The same pattern . Even her arch rival Rasika pointed this out matter f factly to her ..that all those who have gathered around u r hypocrites ...infact they r the ones who will look the other way while ur son rots in jail .
Cud she afford losing her only living son ? One she had lost and indirectly this family was responsible for it . She snapped and decided , NOT THIS GIRL AND NOT THIS FAMILY , NAHI CHAHIYE YEH LADKI .Let her be a beauty , Gunvan kalavati whatever , nAHI CHAHIYE . Mind u she had till that point been consistent in her love and acceptance for Archu ..she had gone to Archus engagement to give a good report to Archu's mother in law Prabha . The second jailing however did it for her .
She had not listened to Rasika and destroyed Varshas life by revealing her secret but had infact warned Varsha. This was not a woman who had Dark possesiv love . She was uneducated , crass , non diplomatic , blunt , tactless and openly and proudly greedy for wealth as she liked to taste the good things in life .
She never taught Vandita to behave badly at her sasural like Rasika teaches Manju even after she is a mother of two kids . No Samarth ...Savita is no Kumata . She is simply Savita .
Manju has repeatedly tried to BURN Archanas life ....even today she was there asking for fuel so she cud try again .These Burning attempts and their consistency is far more evil and alarming . All Manju wants is Archna to burn in hell and be miserable . Savita doesnt care if Archna lives or dies once she gets Manav back ..she is indifferent to Archana if she gets her Manav back . This is the essential difference between a dark character and grey character .
Although full of mistakes and a foul mouth , she still shines brightly compared to the picture perfect hypocritical Karanjkars who change colors like chameleons . For her only two things matter ...Her Manav and now that Sachin is no more ........her ggrandson Sachu . She doesn't understand why Manav is impractical enough not to understand that alliance with the K family will never come to any good . They will ALWAYS backstab him , they have proved it AGAIN and AGAIN .
Its not that she doesn't know that Archana is good .She DOES . This time , she CHOOSES TO IGNORE THAT GOODNESS . And if u look at her losses objectively , can u blame her ? Which mother in the real world wud have welcomed Archna as a bahu after the death of Sachin although directly she wasnt responsible ?
The gold necklace she took on the day Archna remarried Manav was more SPITE than greed .
Her grabbing of baby Sachu is again her crazed grief that knows no reason . VERY WRONG , but there it is . These r her FAULTS , but with reasons of their own ......very unfortunate reasons . The Savita we saw in beginning of PR and the Savita that remains today r two different people . Her husband actually manipulates her when he puts his mind to it .she is THAT transparent as a character .
For me this show is not about the Beautiful , graceful Archana or Ankita Lokhande . Its a story as a whole and without Savita AS SHE IS , the story crumbles . She is far more interesting a character compared to Archana .
All that is required is her anger to be channelised positively and her love to be directed correctly when Archana becomes pregnant .I have no doubts she will look after Archana like a mother and protect her in her own , crass , fierce way . I do hope CVS show this .

That was referred on spiritual side. As it was explained to us, an offspring can only partially repay his debt, if he/she were to help his parent reach to true dharma and peace. The premise being, a person, by his/her efforts has found correct path (dhrama), while his parent is to do it (not even exactly kumata).

A parent may yet be harmful spiritually, while not exactly harming her own offspring directly if she tries to sell/maim/kill/eat other human being in her blind grief. Please take it in this context.

Your anger on Cvs is wholeheartedly shared. They keep on heaping unfathomable inconsistencies on each characters- be it supporting characters or the leads.

Your advise on tact (I'd referred in earlier post), is best way available in the present scenario.

Manjusha or Karanjikar's harmful interferences are equally agreed upon.

The gold necklace carried in spite is… umm, a shaky logic stretched too far. Here let's agree to disagree.

In fact most of your points, I'm concurring. While your opinions or comments are your prerogative, as a special commentator, only thing I'd urge you, is to fleece them unhesitatingly on criminal lacunae like- half exonerated bigamy, bride burning, unsolved murders (Prakash), open dowry demands (and somehow 'enough' is not enough on this issues- I am so livid on them Cvs.😡)- as well as leads defects.

Your detailed response is appreciated. Thanks. More in the Evening and at your fresh spread of coffee (commentary).😊 See you.

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Posted: 14 years ago

Originally posted by: Tanyaz

wah wah 👏 , Smrth has said everything that I wanted to say as well....but I cannot even dream of saying it in his kind of beautiful language ....

I somehow identify with your feelings, especially when we have a friend to disagree to...as for the language...I cringe at some glaring shortcomings😕 ...always in hindsight😆

Edited by smrth - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago

That was referred on spiritual side. As it was explained to us, an offspring can only partially repay his debt, if he/she were to help his parent reach to true dharma and peace. The premise being, a person, by his/her efforts has found correct path (dhrama), while his parent is to do it (not even exactly kumata).

A parent may yet be harmful spiritually, while not exactly harming her own offspring directly if she tries to sell/maim/kill/eat other human being in her blind grief. Her psychologically crazed one time action .........will be her own karma , it wont affect Manav spiritually ...his spiritual development is complete and individual . If u really sit and evaluate this from a spiritual level u may be surprised coz before passing judgment on her action , the causes for her grief will be evaluated too . The HAI that she speaks of to Archana is very very real .......in real life aRchana wud have got THIS HAI only . I am sorry , I know I will be offending many ARchu fans here but death of a son is no meagre matter . Expecting her to be sane when her only living son is jailed again [ perhaps for life] is too much . Expecting her to be rational when later the same son is remarrying the same girl whose family caused this much havoc is again too much .I repeat , I dont justfy her burning attempt .I merely see the reason behind it . The Brahmasamandha in the Guru Charitra told the Lord that before condemning me look into my case and see how much this woman , whom I am troubling today , destroyed mE in the past birth ...I committed sucide due to her actions . U R fair , so look into it .And God AGREED that his rage was valid but still told him to leave the lady alone for it was now time to move on .

Even on spiritual side she isn't a Kumata. Even Rasika isnt a Kumata although she is far colder and meaner as a human compared to Savita . Rasika too , loves her offsprings . Savita hasn't liked the marraige her son has done FOR HIS SAKE . This marraige won't yield him any good is her firm opinion . The girl is good , but her family in't , they have harmed her son is her opinion . And it isn't wrong at all . The girl's family indeed is terrible . They r all a bunch of sophisticated hypocrites who use Manav and dump him . When Shravani had tried to taunt Archana when Manav was in jail the second time , SAvita had cut her short saying
This is between me and Archana . I know what she is , my issues r different , u stay out of this .
This clearly showed she did not share Shravani's dislike for Archana . Her issues were only concerned with HER SON .
U mentioned that day in ur post that the end result of all this is desolation and negativity . So it puts u off . Well turn it around like a kaleidoscope and see . The end result of SAvita's life ever since Archana has entered it is desolation and negativity only .
All the other gold necklaces she took.........be it Shravanis , or Archus from first marraige , were GREED . The one she took on the day Archu remarried Manav was SPITE . And only Archana understood it . Manav didn't .Archana did .
Btw an offspring HAS to look after his Kumata if he is unfortunate enough to be destined to have one . He HAS to go and meet his mother in jail and provide her food and meds wherever she is . But i repeat , I haven't spotted a Kumata in this serial . I dont believe even Kaikeyi was a Kumata .....she looked after Bharat's interests . SHe wasn't a spiritually highly evolved human being like Kaushalya but she wasn't a Kumata .
After the Manav Archana second marraige we don't see them as
Great Lovers . Theres hardly any romance with that chawl door open and now Vaishu staying there and Archanas maayka waltzing in and out .
Great son and bahu . Manav doesn't spend two minutes with his mother on her birthday , doesn't inform her he is going out of town , hardly goes to see her face , no interaction with Baby Sachu . No giving of household expenses .
Archana seems over involved with her maayka .While she doesn't exactly forbid Manav from doing his duties to his family like manju , she doesn't take any interrest in reminding him either . She doesn't enquire about Sachu , sasurs health [ she embraces Manav in FRONT of sasur , violating all Maharashtrian cultural etiquette] She doesn't secretly arrange for finances to be given to mother in law .......she didnt even invite her ma in law in on the day she came to congratulate Manav for starting a business but stands quietly with HER MAAYKA that was insulting her rampantly till yesterday .
This makes Manav Archana COMMON . And here I mean common in a negative sense . While they shouldn't be mahaan they shouldn't sink to being common either ........the USP of the show will be DAMAGED .
Scenes of Archana weeping in bedrooms with her sisters or Archana embracing Manav just coz he went out for some hours in a huff in front of ELDERS like Sasur and sister in law's husband Puts us off . Thats not romance , thats LACK OF PROPRIETY . The CVS r damaging these characters .
Ur points about the closed court case etc r noted .Will take that up in commentary .
Edited by koolsadhu1000 - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago

Kools, that was beautifully argued'Manav may not be hindered spiritually for her actions, but it is his duty by his mother to stop her plunging deeper and deeper into morass of vengeance, which is not only bringing her no peace but spiritually bogging her down lower and paler, the question being not only THAT one time action but far too many frequent and recurrent actions of malice. As God advised the seer- leave the malice behind'This along with the discharge of material duties.

You are right, per se she is not 'kumata', nor do I propose her as so. As you must have noticed, I'd mentioned her protective mien to her offspring or even her probable sacrifices in youth. But turn that kaleidoscope a few degrees into imagination. Suppose he is agreeing to her dictate and return to his mother abandoning his wife (I know, you too are not proposing this- just for a supposition), so what is he doing in effect? Making his wife's life hellish again and burdening himself with the sin of betrayal- hindering his individual spiritual development along ,side by side a total wrackage of his own happiness? so, is Savita's dictate not harmful in her willfulness? Is not that where her insistence turns into possessiveness from protectiveness, especially when she knows his son's unbreakable attachment and basic goodness of the girl?

Now we know, she is turning melable and inviting back that package as one.Perhaps dwelling upon her actions or character is not too wise a thing to do in this set-up, where characters and their flows are changing at the drop of a month or creatives. Savita will revert back to positivity again, that we have been familiar with for a stretch, not so far away in the past. Let's rest here
Edited by smrth - 14 years ago

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