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Posted: 15 years ago
#91

Originally posted by: archanamanav

When nobody is around Manav still tries to chat with Archu ignoring others advice...it is not just her who runs behind him..he takes so much crap from jay for archu...just like archu takes crap from Shravani..🤓

Yup. he does that when ever there is a situation that Archu has to keep away from him .That is when he starts running towards her..............
Today Jay was giving the nastiest threats but he didn't care two hoots .Within hours he was on the phone again trying to get in touch with Archana ....
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

Honesty does NOT necessarily have to have a good intention .

Honesty only means being upfront with yourself and others around u about what u want .
. Dharmesh looks out for himself and his business . And he doesn't hide it , he doesn't even camoflauge it . From day one he has been this way . In his private talks with Satish and Jay , he never hid it that he wanted to save himself . That he cared for his own butt and company . . When Jay told him Manav signed , he frankly told that he had a momentary spasm of sadness coz fundamentally Manav was a good man .But even then I still value my butt over his , he added immediately .Thats honesty for u . . Today he didnt pretend to be maganimous like Jay [ for all those who say we pick Jay over him] . He said I wont forgive , cant forgive . He was decent to Sulochana. He did not slap Archu back on his own turf saying ok , now we are quits , NOW I CAN FORGIVE . . He was decent to his saas who he felt had no hand in the matter ....it was between him and Archana . .
He may be morally wrong ..........and MORALITY is a subjective matter mind u .But he is very honest about being swarthi . He doesnt hide it . I am a limited man and this is it is his attitude .
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U may ask me .Kools , does this mean any paapi can get up and say ya so I did wrong so ?this is how I feel , ..........does this give Paapis a clean chit to do what THEY want ?
No . But I am also telling u guys that 95 % of the paapis do not honestly admit to their intentions..........neither to themselves , nor to others . They pretend like Jay .
As far as dealing with Dharmesh was concerned .............She did that police complaint , right ?Good for her [ although personally I dont approve of it for oTHER reasons] . That is the perfect answer ..........oh yeah , u tricked me and took signature , well Im DENYING it ! The slap was unnecessary and thoughtless and if she did not consider her sisters GRIHASTHI , she is wrong , period . She thought so much for Manav's Grihasthi ..........Savitas SUKH ..........she divorced Manav so Saas cud be happy with her grandchild SAChu , so why not think about innocent Vaishu ? Dharmu was a good hubby to her , she had no inlaw problems , she was happy .Why bring the Manav issue there and spoil HER Grihasthi ? Deal with it on professional level . 28 year old elder sister wud surely have this consideration before going that ballistic .
Archanas intention was good but she was not HONEST about what she did .She told everyone she was fighting for WORKER manav as SUPERVISOR Archu . That was a big time laugh . She wud not have gone to this extent for other workers . She was LOVER ARCHU all the way .ok , no probs .ADMIT it then ! But todate she won't .
Her intention was good yet she wasn't honest to herself , his intention was selfish but he is a more honest person than her anyday .
It is indeed true that she gave a damn about her heart attack suffering father and chose that moment , when he was barely out of the emergency , to drop another bomb ..........the jailing of her own relatives . Manav cud have easily stayed in jail for two days more ..........her Dad was barely out of danger . She didnt think of him . When Manav was in hospital she didnt move from his bedside and was in same sari for two days .
Morality is subjective issue .........Archana cannot force her views of morality on the world . If her views of morality clash with others , she must fight it out civilly and prove herself winning . I can point out hundreds of immoral things Archu did but I wont even go into that arena now .
As far as the annoyance against Dharmesh constantly saying your Pavitra Rishta Your Pavitra Rishta goes .........what do u expect , it was the Pavitra Rishta statement that riled Archu and he got slapped , will he leave the opprtunity to rub it in her face ? He is ANGRY , remember ?And thats what angry people do ...........Savita does it too , havent u seen it ? She does it about the sanskaars of the Karanjkars .........TUM SANSKAARI LOG she says sarcastically .
Also , why so much annoyance if he rubbed it two three times in her face .........she constantly rubbed MAINE AUR MANAV NE ZINDAGI DAAV PE LAGAADI in Shravnis face ! Whenever she wanted Shravni to stay put in that house she always rubbed that in ! This is the way ALL humans behave , including Archana karanjkar .
I voted for him not coz he is my MORAL HERO . I voted for him coz Archu needed to hear it exactly THE WAY HE TOLD HER ..........and if these dialogues were given to a current villain , fine , I voted him for giving her the reality check . She was so bloody self righteous when she talked to Satish ...........TUM MERE MAN SE UTAR GAYE ETC ............She deserved it .

Agree.Love this post😃
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: gaurimisha

Agree.Love this post😃

Dear Koolji....
So what shall be the quantum of punishment for him????? I mean for Bhaatawada?
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

Honesty does NOT necessarily have to have a good intention .

Honesty only means being upfront with yourself and others around u about what u want .
. Dharmesh looks out for himself and his business . And he doesn't hide it , he doesn't even camoflauge it . From day one he has been this way . In his private talks with Satish and Jay , he never hid it that he wanted to save himself . That he cared for his own butt and company . . When Jay told him Manav signed , he frankly told that he had a momentary spasm of sadness coz fundamentally Manav was a good man .But even then I still value my butt over his , he added immediately .Thats honesty for u . . Today he didnt pretend to be maganimous like Jay [ for all those who say we pick Jay over him] . He said I wont forgive , cant forgive . He was decent to Sulochana. He did not slap Archu back on his own turf saying ok , now we are quits , NOW I CAN FORGIVE . . He was decent to his saas who he felt had no hand in the matter ....it was between him and Archana . .
He may be morally wrong ..........and MORALITY is a subjective matter mind u .But he is very honest about being swarthi . He doesnt hide it . I am a limited man and this is it is his attitude .
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U may ask me .Kools , does this mean any paapi can get up and say ya so I did wrong so ?this is how I feel , ..........does this give Paapis a clean chit to do what THEY want ?
No . But I am also telling u guys that 95 % of the paapis do not honestly admit to their intentions..........neither to themselves , nor to others . They pretend like Jay .
As far as dealing with Dharmesh was concerned .............She did that police complaint , right ?Good for her [ although personally I dont approve of it for oTHER reasons] . That is the perfect answer ..........oh yeah , u tricked me and took signature , well Im DENYING it ! The slap was unnecessary and thoughtless and if she did not consider her sisters GRIHASTHI , she is wrong , period . She thought so much for Manav's Grihasthi ..........Savitas SUKH ..........she divorced Manav so Saas cud be happy with her grandchild SAChu , so why not think about innocent Vaishu ? Dharmu was a good hubby to her , she had no inlaw problems , she was happy .Why bring the Manav issue there and spoil HER Grihasthi ? Deal with it on professional level . 28 year old elder sister wud surely have this consideration before going that ballistic .
Archanas intention was good but she was not HONEST about what she did .She told everyone she was fighting for WORKER manav as SUPERVISOR Archu . That was a big time laugh . She wud not have gone to this extent for other workers . She was LOVER ARCHU all the way .ok , no probs .ADMIT it then ! But todate she won't .
Her intention was good yet she wasn't honest to herself , his intention was selfish but he is a more honest person than her anyday .
It is indeed true that she gave a damn about her heart attack suffering father and chose that moment , when he was barely out of the emergency , to drop another bomb ..........the jailing of her own relatives . Manav cud have easily stayed in jail for two days more ..........her Dad was barely out of danger . She didnt think of him . When Manav was in hospital she didnt move from his bedside and was in same sari for two days .
Morality is subjective issue .........Archana cannot force her views of morality on the world . If her views of morality clash with others , she must fight it out civilly and prove herself winning . I can point out hundreds of immoral things Archu did but I wont even go into that arena now .
As far as the annoyance against Dharmesh constantly saying your Pavitra Rishta Your Pavitra Rishta goes .........what do u expect , it was the Pavitra Rishta statement that riled Archu and he got slapped , will he leave the opprtunity to rub it in her face ? He is ANGRY , remember ?And thats what angry people do ...........Savita does it too , havent u seen it ? She does it about the sanskaars of the Karanjkars .........TUM SANSKAARI LOG she says sarcastically .
Also , why so much annoyance if he rubbed it two three times in her face .........she constantly rubbed MAINE AUR MANAV NE ZINDAGI DAAV PE LAGAADI in Shravnis face ! Whenever she wanted Shravni to stay put in that house she always rubbed that in ! This is the way ALL humans behave , including Archana karanjkar .
I voted for him not coz he is my MORAL HERO . I voted for him coz Archu needed to hear it exactly THE WAY HE TOLD HER ..........and if these dialogues were given to a current villain , fine , I voted him for giving her the reality check . She was so bloody self righteous when she talked to Satish ...........TUM MERE MAN SE UTAR GAYE ETC ............She deserved it .

I disagree totally.Honesty is considered a virtue - so that is why it is tagged with some goodness always.For example,honesty,integrity go hand in hand in general terms-so politicians,cops take bribes openly,they r honest??
As per ur definition of honesty,there is noone more honest thatn ArMan in this serial then.Savita and Jay shud be superstars,they were totally open abt their villainous intentions-speaking ur mind and being honest r not the same.
ArMan openly declared in the divorce court that they r bonded forever -their love so true that they agree with the decision of the other totally - such was their 'honesty' in their love,that everybody was in awe among the Ds and Ks,and that they were willing to be physically separate.But its just that the soceity moves on,and expects them to move on - Which is wat dhammu says is the way of life,but really,the soceity is not honest here then while they r.That is wat frustrates the rest.
See,he took her hand and said publicly,we will always be there for each other,na -in a court.
Even now,they r keeping it up -see how they look out for each other all the time - for them that is their PR,I am there when u r in need -emotional,physical,financial,doesnt matter wat society thinks.Whether tis a mere foo-foo to clear the eye or gettin him out of jail,they zoom in to fulfill wat they perceive as a vacuum or need in each other's lives. But it will never be physical adultery,hence the ambiguity here on whether it is moral or immoral - this is a definition which changes with society
But the right and wrong that Dhammu is ignoring-it does not change,it is a matter of law.He refuses to even accept they did a crime in front of the Ks,let alone make it up - satish seems more decently human with his moral dilemma..Jay is 'honest' then,he doesnt pretent to justify @all,its a crime,big deal,thatz it.
Archu did not slap him bcoz he mentioned PR,several times it has been mentioned bymany,she aint bothered about it,she declared it to the wrkers herself after the praks beating incident - she was LIVID when dhammu practically MOLESTED Manav's character - which is why I called him the devil,not jay. Dhammu started with defending himself,that hez innocent - then moves on to hide the fact they have declared falsely how manav is responsible for the accident on m/c in the statement - then moves on to degrade manav's character -he says manav cud have changed with time,become greedy,evidence is there against him,wat is the proof of his innocence ,and then the final blow-he is using u archu ...
See,the devil in the holy books never talks abt wat is right,he talks only about wat may not be wrong,that is the way of temptation-Adam-eve story is of temptation.Dhammu does exactly that - he has tempted the crowd that it is not wrong to think that Manav cud have done it - how shrewdly he changes a open crime into a family spat by dragging the PR and pins manav totally.This mentality is wat I objected to,showed disgust on,I find nothing honest about it -
who has not taunted the PR thing now?-from sulo,vinod,manju,rassi,shravni,savita,everybody has,big deal,dhammu said nothing new on it.
But this fella - his taunt has an ulterior motive - to degrade manav's innocence and goodness,
and thus silence archu's conscience,and also the rest - I see this fella like the manipulative villain in FountainHead -dont remember his name now -
And wat swarthi,swarthi he is going on abt?Like he was not swarthi !
Even in the Mahabharat,the pandavas fought to get back THEIR kingdom - so wat,they were jus swarthi?? Yet,they r considered to have fought for justice going against family-why?bcoz they r fundamentally good.
Same with Archu and Manav here
See,if u read a news about injustice like rape,or something in a newspaper,we feel outraged but we dont do anything abt it.But when it happens to someone u love,the rage turns to action.I see archu reacting against the injustice to manav in the same way-whether she wud do it for some unknown - wud the pandavas have been willing to lose all their sons for somebody else's kingdom,it wud be speculation.
the comparison to shravni archu is nothing here-archu feels she did a favor,she reminds her.
dhammu is not talkin of any such thing,he is on a different plane here altogether
The only thing I do not agree with ArMan's behavior is -he thinks there is a need for an honor marriage while she thinks there is a need for a political marriage ,with their respective fiances - woh zamaana khatam,they were 16th century necessities,and polygamy fulfilled it easily.Today's urban situation does not warrant it,its extreme regressive thinking
Edited by SaffyFlower - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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wow Saffy, brilliant post. 👏
Agree with everything you have written.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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In Kool's post , the part where I agree with her is that no matter why he shouted or whatever , from Archu's point of view I am glad she heard all this .
am one of those who don't like Dharmesh because I feel that he is a hypocrite and is only trying to save his butt and that is why he keeps talking about Archana's rishta with manav .
That distracts people from his criminal mistake and makes them think of how wrong Archana is ...
But at this moment I am only thinking about Archana ...
For her it is better that she hears all this and keeps away from Manav, disconnects his phone calls , immediately return the money she took ...
Just keep her parents happy ..
She has done so much for Manav and now she has to stop ...
It has to be Manav fighting for their love or nothing ...
As for Dharmesh ....let him shout as much as he wants .He is himself going to land in trouble when one day Jaywant will take his signatures on a dodgy paper ( just like he did with Archana ) . Then only will mister Business man will understand how easy it is to point fingers at others and not look at yourself as to where you are going wrong ...
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Posted: 15 years ago
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😆 Akash u made me laugh .With ur pronounciation . 😆 Punishment ? Heavy financial compensation for manav .U see , that will help Manav in a very CONCRETE way . Dharmu going to jail wont help him.........it will only make him jobless as dear saint Manav badly wants to work in Dharmus factory only so he can be near his ex . Besides Dharmu is personally innocent too .For what he did to Manav ........if he pauys financial compensation , Dharmy will be most affected coz he haggles even for a penny .He will feel financial pinch the MOST . He needs to step down from president post and be vice pres , with Satish taking major decisions and overruling him for next 6 months , that will hurt him badly too . He built this company so seeing his baby run by others will really hurt him bad .
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Posted: 15 years ago
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I disagree totally.Honesty is considered a virtue - so that is why it is tagged with some goodness always.For example,honesty,integrity go hand in hand in general terms-so politicians,cops take bribes openly,they r honest?? .
Do they take it openly ? They take it under the table . They say its mithai , khushi , chai paani ...........all names except BRIBE . My point is .........being upfront about ur motive is not everyone's cup of tea . Honesty is more of a trait than a virtue . Bali the Rakshasa king who was pushed into the netherworld by Vishnu in the Dashavtara story was HONEST although he was extremely arrogant . We see two tendencies there .........satvic and tamasic . Yet Vishnu acknowledged him for his honesty on staying put on his promise of giving 3 feet of land to him . Karna fought on side of evil but he did not break any war rule ............Pandavas broke many war rules . Karna was a more HONEST warrior than Arjun ...........he held up his hand and ceased warfare when his wheel got stuck in mud . Arjun listened to Krishna and shot him then ..coz he wud never be as vulnerable as that moment . Arjun threw a tantrum and made Drona ask as Eklavayas thumvb for dakshina simply coz he was jealous that Eklavya was a BETTER warrior than him . While dying , Karna admitted to Duryodhana that he did nOT do him justice , he was ALL the time conscious that he was fighting his own brothers ..........that Krishnas emotional blackmail had won after all . In all these instances .............the men r tamasic not satvik ............yet HONEST . If u ever read Elizabethan literature on biblical stories u will see Satan or Lucifer 's monologues on why he opted NOT to stay in Heaven ..........Its better to RULE in hell than serve in Heaven he says ...........HONESTLY at a point . Honesty is speaking the truth . The cause may vary ...........Pandavas had their own cause so did Kauravas . But not all Pandavas spoke the truth ..........in fact , Yudhistir LIED at a point to Drona that his son was DEAD and demoralized him . Arjun broke rules . So did Bheema when he defeated Duryodhan in the end ..........he hit him on his weak spot , his thigh . It was against the rules to hit below the waist in a duet of mace .
My point ...................not necessarily people with good inttentions r HONEST . And not necessary that people who r morally wrong , r dishonest .
ARMAn and honest ?😆 I wont even go into it here , they need counselling is my opinion . The Swarthis around them at least know what they want , these two to this date dont know what they want . See how they were once more trying to help each other yesterday . They give their rishta a name PAVITRA RISHTA to have a free license to do all things society frowns on . That is .....to hang around each other inspite of the divorce , even AFTER remarraiges is the future intention btw . We r just like RADHA KRISHNA is the favorite reasoning for these kind of rishtas . Their relation had no name and still it is worshipped . So is ours . What a bakwas , hypocritical reasoning ! Krishna was self realised and Radha was quite elder to him , its not LOVE as commonly one sees around but to know it , one must read it with depth . But serial wallahs they show all half baked nonsense .
I wud admire Archu if
She wud have not slapped Dharmesh but explored other options of punishing him on professional level and tactfully pulled her lover out of prison
If she wud have at least once said yES Im doing it for him coz I LOVE HIm , he is MANAV , i cant forget that , [ not the supervisor crap]
If she wud tell Jay , nope , U may want me as bahu but heres the news I DONT WANT U
And u wont believe this .........but if she DID NOT APOLOGISE after the slap .If u took a stand , stick to it . She fired Manju , then apologised , she slapped Dharmesh then apologised . It takes away the integrity of HONEST ARCHU .The apology is fake ..........its for somehow now keeping relations with her sis as an AFTERTHOUGHT .Apology shud be given when one is TRULY apologetic ...........I didnt see her feeling remorse at all .Why then apologise ? If however she felt ..........oh no , I did sumthing AWFUl , I dont care if Im hit back by him , I simply gotta do it , the way she told Sulo when she went for 3 month stay .that I am doing this to assuage MY GUILT not for THEM [ that was a rare honest moment with this character] I wud approve of her apology .
Her apology is fake . So were her reasons for freeing Manav . Even the zimmedari crap she pulled to Sulo when Manohar was dying in hospital was fake .that I gotta do AAKHRI ZIMMEDARI . What bull , Manav cud easily stay for two more days in jail . His butt was not gonna shrivel . She shud have been worried sick about her dad .........she wasnt .
I believe Dharmu when he said to Satish I am myself gonna tell her after few days when Mamla becomes Thanda . He wud have done EXACTLY that . He had planned that only after studying Archus destructive emotional nature . Yeh Ladki meri company ko doobayegi us ek aadmi ke liye , I must handle her differently was his attitude and jusgement .Accordingly he took her signatures without her knowledge , framed Manav and wud have told her after some days . Immoral ......yes , but very upfront about his plan and motive and unashamed of his goals . Archu was morally right but ashamed to say Im fighting for my love and said I AM FREEING MY WORKER . Most of what spews from her lips is hypocrisy and politically correct statements ..........I can say she is good person but not HONEST person .
My opinion purely .Not intended to argue with u .Respects urs .Lets agree to disagree .
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