Daily Discussion Thread : 30th April - Page 14

Originally posted by: nikitagmc

hello people!

I know I'm very late, and a lot of discussion has already taken place. Unfortunately I'm running late now and can't on the whole episode.

Shravani was justified in every sense to shout at Manav. But I don't know why - that action of Manav- taking money from Girishji for Varsha and not for garage- it doesn;t strike to me as something to shout about. Just my personal opinion. I thought about it all night, but still couldn't think that if I had been in Shrvani's shoes I would have shouted that way. What to say , ur horribly noble then .😆Just like your Manav .😆 Me , Im not . Am khadoos .Had I been in Shravnis shoes I wud have not just shouted , I wud have grilled him till he went out of the room with electrocuted hair .

Truth is that I later felt- of course- I am not Shravani!!! Neither does Shravani's view point match mine. Manav's character is such- that he is not practical, he doesn't do things for himself- but for others. If suppose there had been an emergency of money for someone in his chawl, even then this golden hearted guy would have gone and asked Girishji for help. But he would never have gone for himself. I think Shravani was angry bcos he went for Archu and her family- I am telling you, if it had been to help someone else in his chawl, she wouldn't have shouted in this manner AT ALL!!! All I could see through today in her words was jealousy for Archu, that even today 'her' (?????) Manav cares a lot for Archu's family. Perfectly natural if u ask me . Any woman will feel exactly this way only .Especially as she FOUND OUT LATER BY EAVESDROPPING ? Noble Manav and Saint Archu had not told her about it . I wont blame Saint Archu here that much . but Noble Manav shud have , in all his shining nobility , gone to her and told her . He owed her that much .....as Girish did not loan the money to Manav out of love spurting like a water fountain within him , but due to SHRAVNI "S weightage . Jis ki wajah se paisa mila , use bolna nahi chahiye kya ? Btw ....for small small things Noble Manav was asking Shravni permissions . Like .......Can I go to Varshas engagement . Or Can I Go for 5 days to live at Archus sasuraal . Then how come he didnt phone Shravni on the cell and ask her before he asked Girish for loan ...saying Can I borrow from UR dad please ? Ha ?😆 Wasnt that requring permission ? And Shravnis record [ since u speak of proofs in ur later post] is that when she is told the truth and ASKED permission , she GIVES it . Right ?

So Her anger now stems more from the fact that she is kept out of many things.....not just mere jealousy of Archna .thats only partial . And we see Archu telling that ..........That Shravni too needs sum importance .........Like Telling her in the beginning itself that garage closed down ......[ Manav told Archu NOt Shravni .........again , a goofy decision . Archu kya karegi ? Shravni cud have done sumthing by phoning Girish immediately . } That # lacs r being taken from ur dad ...or insurance money is being used for Vandu . In small things Manav asks but in Big things he conveniently knows how to hold his tongue ! Truly noble , if u ask me .😆

This thing, that I am talking about, was understood by Archu, who was immediately overwhelmed at her husband's behaviour- especially cos he did it for HER family. At the same time, she understood Shravani's jealousy- kudos to her.

And at the same time, I can understand why Manav is frustrated with her.
Wow.. I understand all the three- and I still haven't gone mad!!!!

Where the self respect thingy comes in - I think there are two types of self- respect- (Yes, me the genius devised this new concept- copyright!)- internal and external.

1.) External self respect- One that you show in front of others- that you keep up in front of others- like slapping himself in front of Rasika. It meant no deal to him, tolerating BS when he was being accused of cheating Varshu and yet running after Varshu to say that Ashwin is cheating her. That is also self-respect, but Manav chose to ignore it. If you don't keep it up, you end up humiliating youself in front of others. Like Manav has done, a number of times.

2.) Internal self- respect- Very very very important! And it is the true self respect- the self respect for yourself in your conscience- tht taunts you when you feel guilty of yourself. The self respect for himself that Manav lost when he got engaged in front of Archu- the self respect that Manav would have lost for himself if he had taken money for garage from Girishji cos then he would have accepted he was not capable of solving his own problems and fending for his family. Till that time, he and Tarun were doing things to sort out the matters (okay, mainly Tarun, since Tarun has the money and means to tackle such matters, but he was involved all the same) during Varsha's marriage, he did take money from Girishji FOR VARSHA cos it was an emergency, but with a firm resolve to satisfy his self respect that I will pay it back definitely.

Did you get bored of the whole thing? Or simply confused!!! Doesn't matter.. you see this is just a figment of my crazy brain.. am happy and in a crazy mood today- so wrote whatever came to my brain and heart first... i tend to overanalyse a lot sometimes hahaha! The respect thing is a fantabulous analysis .

Originally posted by: nikitagmc

And yeah.. for all those who think Manav is marrying Shravani for a selfish interest - the baby- here's an evidence from the show that proves otherwise!

There was a scene in which Shravani comes to Manav's chawl and all the chawl ladies taunt her saying she fell pregnant before marriage and call her 'badchalan'. At that time Manav shouts that Shrvani is not 'badchalan'. Turns out to be his day time nightmare. But it leaves him horribly perturbed. In the next scene Manav agrees for marriage.

Repeatedly Manav claims in the serial- I am doing this for Sachin, I am paying for Sachin's mistakes etc. Why???

So what I understand, or rather what the creatives want us to understand, is this- Manav considers the pregnant Shravani as a package- a mistake left by his brother Sachin. As such, he considers it 'his responsibility' to shoulder what was originally his brother's responsibility- not only to take care of the child, but also make sure that Shravani is not ridiculed in society for his brother's mistake.

Frequent recurrences to this occur again and again- in the hospital, when Manav and Shravani were talking once- Manav says- "You are making a compromise for the baby, I am making one for my brother."
(not baby)

Also when Damodar aska Manav why he is doing this- he says Sachin is my brother and it is my responsibility to correct what wrong he has done. He says- my life is wasted anyway, let this life be used for someone else's sake. (No mention of baby here). Ok ........chalo , let us take your base of argument ok . That Manav wanted to rectify Sachin's mistake . What exactly was Sachin's mistake ? Defowering Shravni and taking away her virginity ? [ coz Sachin the chaalu who had shamelessly pinched women's butts and impregnated Shravni so fast even before marraige does NOT seem to be a holy virgin male like Manav and had probaly deflowered others too .......so Manav cannot go about marrying ALL of them like Sri Krishna , to 'SAVE ' Them from society and to RECTIFY SACHIN"S MISTAKE] . Did Manav marry Shravni coz Sachin had deflowered her ?😆 I THINK NOT .

Then what mistake was he rectifying ? Aha ! The Baby . Why ? Wud he have married Shravni if the baby was some other person's ?This is a very moot question . Perhaps he wud have given the answer that I am all burned out due to my divorce but I will help u as much as I can as a human being .But with Sachins unwed widow this option DID NOT EXIST . Why ? Coz the baby in her womb was Sachin's .......their blood ! This fact was NEVER UTTERED EXPLICITLY but all decisions were taken for that baby alone and ultimately THEIR BLOOD BECAME MORE IMPORTANT THAN ARCHU EVEN .............THE BABY BECAME MORE IMPORTANT THAN ARCHU . When she begged for a chance , this man did NOT BUDGE . Coz clearly the Baby was more important .

You presented so many proofs to substantiate that Manav agreed to this faaltu compro marraige to 'SAVE SHRAVNI" . But u omitted one proof ............The scene where Savita stands near the door and tells Shravni in her thoughts that I will Love u the most coz U will be giving me Sachin back ., his nishaani back . It is here , that for the fIRST time , The BABY 's LINK TO DESHMUKH BLOOD is UTTERED VERBALLY ...........which hitherto is an UNSPOKEN BUT UNDERSTOOD FACTOR IN THIS SERIAL .

And that is why I had said, that Manav has no hope in his marriage, so is letting himself be used as tissue paper to SAVE SHRAVANI'S RESPECT AND ALSO BRING SOME HAPPINESS BACK IN HIS FAMILY.How ? The 'Some happiness back to family ' is very vague ....can u be explicit ? I can . How was a deflowered , non virgin Shravni [ a sacrilege btw in PR society ] gonna bring happiness back via marraige to Manav after Sachins death ? Shravni had only two things to offer as a HAPPINESS PACKAGE . Her money [ which made Manavs mom happy] and the PB in her womb which made everyone in DEshmukh family happy as they were gonna seek THEIR SACHIN in him !

None of these are my interpretations. These are straightaway proofs from the story. Manav wants a future for Shravani and her baby- he clearly says to his Dad- if I don't marry, who will???? He doesn't have a vested selfish interest- the baby- unlike Savita. He wants a happy future for all. That's it. Thats why i asked .........why is he marrying Shravni ? To rectify his OWN BROTHER"S MISTAKE { YOUR WORDS} NOT TO RECTIFY SOME ONE ELSE"S MISTAKE . THEREIN the vested self interest comes in . HIS brother goofed up , it is HIS brother's child . Their blood . Hence the decision to take responsibility for his brothers mistake . Whether he deprioritised Archu for the baby or ultimately Sachin can be debated till the cows come home , but fact remains that in both cases he deprioritised Archu for HIS BLOOD , HIS FAMILY . Whether it was SAvita , or SAchin , Or the Pavitra Bachcha........ALL r HIS BLOOD FAMILY .

Personally , he wont mind if Shravni marries another man and leaves , taking the PB with her .Thats why i mentioned in my earlier post .......he is indiffrent to it on personal level . But it matters to his mom [ who is todate not asking for this divorce to stop] and what matters to his mom , matters to manav as it is his goal to keep his family happy .

I hope that answers your questions kools. Would love to read your views on this.

Originally posted by: stillhopeful

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Originally posted by: Tanyaz

very very very good arguments .....

Am going to comment too ...First I think I should open the new thread for today ....

Originally posted by: stillhopeful

Ok, Why did Manav not confide in Shravani about the garage and his problems?

Well, manav always recognized Archana's kindess, understanding nature and maturity. This is what attracted him to her. Also knowing that she was the eldest daughter and inherently responsibel for her younger syblings made it easier for him to relate to her as he too was the oldest child responsible for the deeds and misdeeds of his younger siblings. The garage is Girish and Shravni's and his .....NOT archna's , plain and simple . Shravni managed the accounts .......Girish was owner .Reason suffiecient for peanut brain to tell THE RIGHT PERSON . Archna may be kind , mature , older sibling......none of this is gonna help in solving hgarage problem quickly . Oh yeah , they will at sum point show Satish doing sumthing . And of course make Archu the heroine ultimate .But I am talking of the situation when it arose ....there is NO justification for Manav whatsoever , from mY POV of NOT telling Shravni and HIDING .The only justification I can see is he has a peanut brain .😆

He always looked on Shravani as a kid, he never saw her growing up as she was in boarding right? First she was Girishji's kid and then she was his kid brother's fiance. One does not expect a degree of amturity from their younger siblings or from people they consider to be kids. Also, she picked Sachin so in his mind really how mature or sensible could she be? they say love is blind and he knew that she was aware of Sachin's shortcomings but picked him anyway because of a youthful desire to reform him (i.e. send him to US and give him reputation and respect like her dad had).

While he supported her decision to keep the baby (because he felt guilty that it was his younger brother who had got her pregnant and he also must have felt that he being the older brother should have seen this coming) but even at that time he found her insistence immature.Disagree , disagree disagree !😆 Objection ur honor . As Elder bro saw it coming ? Then what .he was gonna marry many girls whom his chaalu bro deflowered ? I doubt . The bachcha my dear , the bachcha made KAKA MANAV marry Shravni and become PAPA manav . The Pavitra Bachaaaaaa [ Here I am singing like Pavitra Rishtaaaaa in title music].

Later, after the engagement he expected some maturity fro, her as his future wife which is why he asked her permission to go to Varsha's engagement (he gave her a chance - so it is unfair to say he did not- he trusted her to a certain degree knowing fully well the repurcussions should his mom find out through her). However, after the may 2 epi where she accosted Archu (and we were all outraged) and the march 22 epi when she did it again (where he clarified that Archu was his wife until the divorce happened) he has totally given up on any expectation of understanding or maturity from her.Disagree again . He asked for permission to go and stay at Archus sasuraal AFTER the episode where Shravni showed jealousy and immaturity by pulling Archu by the hand . So u see , he was asking permissions .Only in financial matters he conveniently forgot .Unforgivable , if u ask me . Desrves a smack on his NOBLE head so that his peanut brain jiggles a little .

In his defense he did not tell Archu about the garage problems either. She found out through other sources but even when she confronted him she did so gently (never raised her voice - created unnecessary drama - gave him kasam, etc) so he felt comfortable confiding in her like a friend the way he did before when they were married. Again he did not tell Archu about the loan -others did. He is not purposefully hiding things from Shravani. Archu just seems to have better investigative abilities, does active listening (a coimmunication technique) and has amazing sources. 😆 Peanut Brain did NOT TELL ANYONE . He HID , then , told Multipurpose Tarun Do sumthing , and ran off to first wifes sasural . HIDING is his forte . rain did Not tell anyone , and expected God to

I think the very reasons that stopped him from telling Shravani about the garage problems also stopped him from telling her about he loan. Totally agreed here ....although there r not MANY reasons ....only a SINGLE reason . That is .......PEANUT BRAIN .😃



Why did Dam baba and Kaka not tell Shravani orseek her permission before breaking the FD?

Except for Manav (and only Manav) every other person including Archu has referred to the money as Sachin's money not Shravani's. They all firmly believe that Shravani'ts involvement as a nominee was purely circumstantial (rightfuly or wrongfully) and that the cirmstances no longer exist as she is no longer Sachin's fiance. In their minds, the child will eb provided for by Manav as Manav is to be the baby's adoptive father (one way or another).

Sachin is not alive to ask his permission and knowing how close-knit this family is I thinkt hat they might ahve felt were Sachin alive and able to undertake this financial responsibility individually or jointly with Manav he would not hesitate. SO I think that is what Dam baba and kaka's reasoning was. It was only after Manav brought the perspective of Shravani's baby into the equation that Dam baba apologized to Shravanai, I think. Will need to look back at the actual scene. Dam Baba and that Kaka r DUFFERS who need to be given a strong lecture on what financial responsibilities r and shud be ........no wonder Manav has turned out so incompetent in making financial decisions . Garage is shut down , and on top of it these guys r using insurance money to fulfil Rasikas whims ? And then how were they gonna look after Pavitra Bachacha , ha , by spreading hands in front of his maternal Grandpa Rich Girish the MeduVada ? Here their Self respect or esteem was not taking a dive , was it ? So in reality these idiots were puffing their butts like air baloons in front of Rasika and then running like delated baloons to Girish to help them out financially ? They WERE NOT OBLIGED TO GIVE VANDU ANYTHING AS THE MARRAIGE HAD BEEN DONE WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT OR BLESSING . Still if they were giving , It shud be ..........LATER , Right now even our garage is CLOSED . Or u come here and STAY .......simple ! But the duffers r handling things by juggling their Samdhis ......placating Rasika , Then begging in front of Girish , Then lending to Manohar ...........horrible idiots , I tell u ! Saamke Pishe Log ! Itle Pishe Ki I feel like Laughing .😆

Anyway, there is my two cents.

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