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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: addenise

ohhhhhhhh tanyaz.....it is so obvious....in the last few episodes but today's episode in that grey tee...it showed so much.....ha ha ha....check the forum pics....pg 27....when he was standing on landing reminiscing about the puja..lol

Also, when he enters the room walkin towards shravani...I cudnt help noticing😆
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Ok I will check , I think it is Archana's cooking that is doing this . We knows he enjoys her sabzi ....
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Posted: 15 years ago
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@addnise:Agree with u.

How Archu can tolerate so much is beyond everyone...she definitely doesnt belong to normal human category.
The only thing tht keeps me goin is tht Archu's tears have reduced n with Varsha' engagement,she'll b happy for once....I want her to smile
second positive thing is Manav is showin concrete,absolutely unbreakable commitment for shravani...which may b bad for ArMan reunion...but atleast it'll help Archu to move ahead in life.
As for Manav,I'm at loss of any idea as to how he'll redeem himself.
I'll refrain from sayin anything abt shravani since I do not understand her at all.Her dialogues,expressions n every other thing abt her can b interpreted in several different ways n I'm nt sure which one is correct
ha ha ha...love ur comments.....i am siding with u somewhat about shravani..her character is hard to dissect, eventhough today she showed some anger and attitude.....and sillyyyyyyyyyyyy manav ran to her to appease herrrrrrrrrrrr..how can ppl still side with him....jeezzzzzzzzz
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Gauri , you are so right when you say that the only 2 things that are even keeping me happy now are that Archana 's tears are considerable going down in frequency ...😆 I have a feeling that she wil lbe a lot more careful , now only we have to have baba stop pushing her into activities that involve Manav ..
And manav is showing a stronger and stronger commitment for Shravani . I honestly wish this guy best of luck and I really liked the way he advised her , meaning well and hoping that she will not mess up her life . Hope that she listens to him , he is her well wisher no.1 and he is doing everything he can to make her happy and give her and her baby a nice family ...😊
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Posted: 15 years ago
#45
Kools, I have already said it on the first page itself that I am with you on Shravani's issue. I will reply to one point however. (highlighted and italicized)

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

See this is where we fundamentally differ . I dont 'hate' any character as such , even Manav although I have criticized him so much . My criticisms of Manav are based on the degradation of woman in this serial and him calmly adhering to a chauvinist mentality , not being 'different ' enough to justify the craze his fans have for him ...........which boils down to that his popularity is due to his hot looks rather than a unique diffrent character being played on the small acreen . Many will jump and say nno this isnt so , but I am afraid it is so . All male characters on the Tv screen have this two wife scenario , all rush to take responsibility , all watch abuse silently but get heated up when their own sisters and moms r abused even briefly for some time . Manav Deshmukh is no different . So he fails to impress me , but i dont hate him .

Kools even I have a general rule about all the characters (and in general about people)- a universal fact actually- to make mistakes is human, but when you stand up and take responsibility of them and try to correct them, not for just your own sake but for everyone's sake, you are exonerated to a large extent and deserve a second chance, like sage Valmiki who was actually a dacoit and plunderer and had murdered a lot of people.
This was the aspect which I tried to bring out in my version of the reunion of ArMan- that Manav feels he cannot forgive himself for the injustice he has done to Archana, and stands up for her to the extent that he takes abuses and humiliation from family and society for her and breaks relations with his Mom, and in this he clearly specifies to Archana that you are under no moral or legal obligation to return to me AT ALL. Do as you wish.
And this is also the base which I apply to all characters. They may anger me at times when they do and support wrong things, everyone has, from Sulochana to Manav to Archana, but I feel they can be exonerated. There was this bad phase when I was very angry with Sulochana for not giving Manav a fair chance (when he saved Varsha, she admitted he is a good guy and may even be innocent) since Savita is bad... and by fair chance, I mean she should have walked upto him and told him the truths about his mother and explained why she couldn't send Archu to that house and asked him to consider living separately if he wanted his marriage with Archu to survive. But in that same post, I also said that I want Sulo to accept her mistake and bond well with Manav in the future since he is a good man and deserved a good mother and she deserves a SIL like him and not a DIL like Manju.. It is an application of same rule.
Personally even if Shravani does some nasty things in her anger against Archu, I would be angry but not hate her for it coz I understand it is what maybe any mother and woman would do given her circumstances. I would even forget it later if she repents coz humans do make mistakes in the flow of emotions.The only time I have been angry with her UPTIL now was when she did not ask her father to not pressurize Manav (sindoor and engagement) even though she knew his vulnerable and highly disturbed state. I found that insensitive, any how we have debated on that A LOT
My point basically is that I, (and maybe many others too, I dont know) like Manav for the following reasons:
1.) 'Old Manav' who has been portrayed as excellent and refreshingly different.
2.) The track and his situation is understandable and so everybody here sympathesizes with him, even though they are angry coz of the way the creatives chose to show his dilemma (sindoor scene, engagement nonsense etc) for TRP's sake (They could have shown him simply going ahead with the marriage but that wouldn't have guaranteed the twists and suspense in the plot.)
Just the same way as everyone here understands Shravani's situation and is sympathetic to her.
3.) PR has never been a show of typicalities. Manav was always a 'normal human being' with a lot of goodness. Right now too he is being shown as a normal person- with weakness, faults, (or as you would like to say- chauvinism) etc. Personally I would like it if they do not show him as a typical filmi hero who is ultimate and superhuman but rather as someone who has faults and slowly realises them and corrects them by standing upto them. This is evolving as a character and a human being. It takes more strength and heroism to do that. (And Manav shows signs of this, read below) And yes, I agree with you, Manav is NO GOD!
4.) Ultimately koolsadhu, we are moving as per the creatives. And going by how this character has been conceived, I would be very disappointed or rather shocked, if the creatives do not show the above. But my hopes are high, coz the creatives keep giving hope that the old Manav will be back in full form to be exonerated by his acceptance of his mistake and selfless efforts to correct them. If he has been shown to be silent in a scene while his mother abused Archana coz he wanted Archu to 'hate him' , then there have also been scenes when he defends Archu on her first day in the house saying she is no bikharan, give her basic self respect. And it has kept happening, repeatedly, thereby giving us all the satisfaction that even though he may not be able to do it all the time ( to make her hate him, coz of weakness, to avoid fights, whatever) he does respect her enough to stand up for her whenever he can. And if he can do it in such bad situations, then what will be his stand and his behavior the day he decides to stand by Archana, is what makes us expect good out of him and so still like him.
koolsadhu, no one in this forum, not even his most ardent fans will ever say he is great, coz he is not, he is very much human and not God...but we do believe that this character still has THE POTENTIAL TO BE GREAT... reasons- his underlying selflessness and sincerity, his love, his commitment to family and friends, his responsible nature, and his guilty conscience. These traits haven't changed with time AT ALL. In fact the creatives keep highlighting them again and again, maybe to keep assuring us of the same. The creatives can do a complete 180 and salvage this character if they still want to, is what I believe, and they keep giving hints of it again and again.. that he will rise hero above his own weaknesses- this I believe is true heroism. Manav's frustration and rising anger against his Aai, his frequent fights with her over Archana, and even his indifference by saying 'Jo karna hai karo' is the best example.
In the end, I would like to say, that I too DO NOT support woman abuse and degradation of women and cannot tolerate it, but if I am still a Manav fan, it is coz of reasons above and not coz he is hot and handsome... (anyways I think he is cute bcoz of his behavior (old Manav) and not coz of looks)
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Posted: 15 years ago
#46

Archana will get "back" my support the day she stops crying totally and not being affected by anything that family does. Stop partaking in any activity they have, even if she is there. Stop behaving like a maid.

Yes, and she should put a stop to baba...i know he is the only sincere one but she has to tell him enough is enough..she has moved on.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: addenise

@addnise:Agree with u.

How Archu can tolerate so much is beyond everyone...she definitely doesnt belong to normal human category.
The only thing tht keeps me goin is tht Archu's tears have reduced n with Varsha' engagement,she'll b happy for once....I want her to smile
second positive thing is Manav is showin concrete,absolutely unbreakable commitment for shravani...which may b bad for ArMan reunion...but atleast it'll help Archu to move ahead in life.
As for Manav,I'm at loss of any idea as to how he'll redeem himself.
I'll refrain from sayin anything abt shravani since I do not understand her at all.Her dialogues,expressions n every other thing abt her can b interpreted in several different ways n I'm nt sure which one is correct
ha ha ha...love ur comments.....i am siding with u somewhat about shravani..her character is hard to dissect, eventhough today she showed some anger and attitude.....and sillyyyyyyyyyyyy manav ran to her to appease herrrrrrrrrrrr..how can ppl still side with him....jeezzzzzzzzz

I am actually somewht happy tht he ran after shravani to appease her....tht showed his level of commitment...cheers!!
Archu got clear signal to move ahead.
I side with him since in his utter foolishness,he's gone beyond repair but in the process he's actually makin Archu stronger.
As this show progresses,Manav is hittin the nail harder on his toe.Just waitin to see which kind of a bomb will finally make this guy cry out loud n clear.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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@Nikita:Very well said.
The creatives can do a complete 180 and salvage this character if they still want to, is what I believe, and they keep giving hints of it again and again.. that he will rise hero above his own weaknesses- this I believe is true heroism.
This hope,somewhere still alive,is the reason I can not hate Manav.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Yaar gauri , can't wait to see Archu dolled up in a nice saree, a little darker make up and some jewllery , about time ...
After all it's her darling sister's engagement . I am getting excited . Hope it's a nice event . can't wait to see the 3 pretty sisters all dolled up .
I a mso happy Archu is getting a nice jeeju like Satish , Archana needs people like Satish as part of her life . Varsha has to stop being so angry . If her mood is so bad then why get married in the first place ...
Contrary to what some people here say ,I a mvery happy that she is doing so much house work .
she is good in this and I hopeshe continous to do it till the last day in this house . It keeps her busy and that is good . Plus Manav is not her husband , he considers himself Shravani's fiance . he is giving her food , she is living under his roof . He spent money on her medical expenses ,even gave her 100 rupees today , she should not be a muft khoori person. If she cannot return it back with money ( as she is not working ) the least sh can do is work as much as she can in his house , maybe like a maid or cook or what ever .
Being a maid is better than being a muft khoori person ...
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: gaurimisha

she is only trying to focus on this relationship as Akash rightly said coz the baby needs a happy couple

When has tht been conveyed through any of the scenes?
Her dialogues do not convey it. Her character has not been given any dialogues by creatives , more of silent grief and a lot of contemplating . Still u guys say she doesnt grieve for sAchin . And I wont blame the creatives for not reiterating the baby point now as they r frankly concentrating on making Archu a Devi currently and giving her many emotiobal dialogues . But the premise of this whole compromise thing was the baby and PLENTY was said earlier ..........once the decision has taken place what shud we expect to see , shravani constantly stroking her tummy and saying Baby oh my baby ? Or moving aside quietly in another room to give Archu Manav privacy ? Even we in real life dont do that when we get pregnant .Hell , ladies travel to job and forget the baby inside the tummy and work like men till 6 in the evening , come home and start cooking..........what is this exact display of Baby love that you guys want ?😆😆
But telling Varsha , Manav Vaishu that I want this marraige to proceed [ Shravni and manavs] and then in private going boo hoo hoo on his shoulder is indeed a blunt mixed signal . Like I said the man seemed to have more control over his emotions than her .She cud have congratulated him quietly and then sobbed her heart out in private .
She only said it when Manav asked her to move on.Had Varshu n vaishali asked her to move on,her answer wud have been same.Along with tht ,its really difficult to always stick to wht is right than wht u want...here in the kitchen Archu had her vulnerale moment. One vulnerable moment ?😆😆 My dear , before the engagement she had already told him I cannot bear to see u getting engaged [ in private again] while asking for ;permission ' to go to maayka for the day . After the engagement , right after telling the chawl girls off , again this vulnerable moment .In the temple when he is putting sindoor [ after putting sindoor in Shravnis maang btw] she has one more "VULNERABLE" moment where she shuts her eyes in bLISS as if she has been rewarded . Lady get a grip and dont demean urself this way as u represent women ! Clearly the man , although currently coming across a bigamist , is having marvellous emotional control over himself ......what the hell r u doing ? Just like the old saying too many cooks spoil the broth , too many vulnerable moments make a woman look pathetic !😆
agreeing to savitas demand that shravni shud sit for pooja and then wearing her sari coz someone forced her and sitting for pooja without having any bloody personal stand on the matter is again a mixed signal . If I were in Shhravnis place I wud start eyeing archna with disbelief and raised eyebrows . This woman says toh nice nice things and seems also sincere , but her behaviour is ekdum ulta , is she the chuparustom type ? Would be my nagging doubt .
As I said earlier,what shravani feels for Archu doesnt anger me as a viewer.She's perfectly natural tht way.
Archana for taking such blatant shit and abuse and degrading women in general inspite of being a lead . I dont feel like giving the excuse to both of them saying that they r emotional fools , they r made that way etc etc as then what is happening is creatives r getting succesful in their ploy of making us get used to their chauvinistic portrayal .........we r swallowing it and now gradually even accepting it
Had they showcased Archu as Damini or some strong woman,I wud hav thot otherwise.Accepting Archu n Manav doesnt mean accepting chauvinistic portrayal,rather its accepting two human beings for wht they r than to expect the contradictory.Meek n submissive people, most of the times fail to stand up for themselves,does tht mean we shudnt accept them as such.Ah but there ur ! Damini was NOT a dominating , feminist , hard as nails woman at all ! She was a simple , meek housewife who worshipped her hubby , adored him just like Archu . Her inner true strength came out when she stood for a principle ..............AGainst abuse of a woman , against rape of a woman although it was from her own sasuraal , her own brother in law who did it . Archu is ready to put Ajit behind bars but allows Manju to go scot free coz she is pregnant , and allows Savita to go scot free although she is a vile abusive woman simply coz she is her husbands mother . And this is what I am constantly talking about that this is a kind of double standard ..............The inner strength of Damini is NOT THE STRENGTH OF A WOMAN IT IS THE STRENGTH INHERENT IN EVERY INDIVIDUAL TOLD IN THE GITA . Damini earns our respect coz she stands for a principle ........Archu seems to have no principle whatsoever .She seems to have only one policy ........'unconditional , egoless love for Manav " which can easily be construed as pathetic weakness due to a misplaced idea of love , resulting from a lovesick condition that has arisen due to being bottled up for 26 years .😆
The fact remains tht PR is a show where the leads r meek,submissive,emotional,uneducated and suffer from inferiority complex,in short u can call them as losers.And wht I meant by acceptance is ,to expect otherwise from the CRs wud b rather foolish.Ah , so my expectations r foolish then !😆Well I dont mind if anyone says that but they stay . To each his own . In my opinion dear , thinking what nonsense Archu is doing as something great and 'understanding' Manavs acts as pressurized due to circumstances is incomprehensible .

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