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Posted: 15 years ago
@koolsadhu: At no point do I mean to say that Manav can be exonerated by comparing him with Damodar. I even did not say ki Damodar does nautanki and all.
What I mean to say is that sometimes I feel that creatives don't drive in the fact well that he considers Archana as his daughter. Your logic that he is a side character and won't be given these many scenes and importance is absolutely correct. I just mean to say that they could have shown him to be more caring by his actions rather than making him say 'Archana meri beti hai all the time.' It would have made his stand clearer.
Coz many a times audiences get so involved in the show that they think in terms of the characters and not in terms of realistic things like he is a side character so he won't be given that many scenes or importance. Just like how everyone blasted Manav coz he didn't sleep near Archana or care for her at night. At that time no one thought that it was the creatives mistake that they used Archana's accident to build up on Savita's character at the cost of Manav's. That they had intended to build up on Manav's character as a doting husband but couldn't drive in the fact well that he was awake at 2 'o' clock that night and saw his Aai helping Archana for the simple reason that he had been checking on Archu all night. They couldn't drive in this fact well, they didn't show any scenes related to this (like Manav waking up again and again to check on Archana) which would have made it clearer., and so we were all angry.
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Posted: 15 years ago
nikita The accident was one chance for Manav to show love for Archu but he remained aloof , going around telling everyone that he is doing it out of sheer humanity , even gave Shravni explanations inside that dont think anything is between me and Archu . He blew it . There is no passion in his character anymore ..........why make so many explanations for him that indeed he was awake whole night ? 😆 Ok , lets assume he was , but it was not shown effectively enough and it is a blunder on creatives part as sindoor scene has really pissed off many viewers . Manav is lead .........expectations from him r indeed more ,and Damodar is a side character who has surprisingly risen over normal expectations . What they have shown that Damodar has done is far more for his character ...........a mere side one . while what the lead has done is far too less is the ratio.

I dont agree that Damodar only calls Archu beti beti and does nothing . I wud rather say Manav says Ha main Archna se pyaar karta hu to Tarun all the time but in reality does NOTHING . What titbits he does that too he himself goes around telling its mere humanity and washes the charm away.

PS : I agree with u at at the cost of building up Savitas character creatives blew Manav's .
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Posted: 15 years ago
@koolsadhu: Actually I am not trying to convince anyone that he was awake all night. I am going by my first impressions. Coz when I saw the video that day, I was like, okay, so Savita is awake to help Archu, but how the hell did Manav wake up... its 2 'o' clock.. not the time to stay awake or get up early... so why is he awake? And I didn't get any reason. Later I came to know that everyone was blaming Manav for not showing Archu care after the accident... this actually surprised me... for even though I had expected more out of Manav since as you rightly said, he is the lead and expectations will be more, but overall, I did not really find any reason to get boiled up that much. I was happy that he had been checking her from time to time. But I realised that the creatives had not made this point clear... they should have ideally, to salvage some of Manav's character. Everybody got a different idea of that scene, this is what I believe, so ultimately I leave everyone with their own interpretation of that whole sequence.
I understand all that you are saying about Damodar... in fact in my very first post on this topic I had said that he is a lovely and wonderful FIL and I hope I get one like him too (will take his drinking to task however.. must save his liver) but all I mean to say is that it would have been infinitely better if they had shown it in a better way, maybe standing up for Savita or something. Or maybe Manav and Baba both standing up for Archu together..? Or Baba supporting Archu and Aai shouting at him and Manav saying, 'what are you shouting at him for, he's absolutely right'... it would have pleased me more and would have done justice to Manav (since he is the lead and has to be shown as the hero in saving Archu) and also Damo.
After all, even though Sulochana and Varsha and Vaishali and Vinod are all side actors, this aspect of their characer is brought out well, right?
Edited by nikitagmc - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
I must clarify however that I didn't bring this issue up to justify or defend Manav... I just wanted to point that in my opinion the creatives could have demostrated Damo and Archu's relationship better... just my thoughts... I suppose my views on Manav are well known after all the long posts I have written in the last few days.
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Posted: 15 years ago
Well there ur , u said it urself dear . Exactly what I was trying to say .......that Damodars voice is often drowned by Manav 's stupid siding of Savita . U said that he takes his own decisions ...........so ok , even if u agree with that , if he takes decisions with his own volition , still in the end ......he ends up agreeing with Savita . Damodar really doesnt get any support from him in that aspect . I have said this so many times in my earlier posts . That Damodar is reduced to a muttering , helpless man ninety percent of the time due to Manavs teaming up with his Aai ......who throws triumphant looks at her husband and walks off . In karanjkar home , everyone voices their opinion freely . Varsha says her mind , Vinod does , Sulo does so does Vaishali and even Manohar when he wishes to speak up . Savita drowns others voices ..she shuts Vandu up and shoos her away , tells Manav to just keep quiet , completely tries to emasculate her husband . Yet Manav keeps quiet .
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Posted: 15 years ago
@koolsadhu: Why ? When he can fight for others, slap manav when he says I'm ready to marry shravani, slap savita when she does something wrong.. in short, is shown to be doing what he wants inspite of what others think, then woud it have been too much to show that he gives Archana a blanket and sheets? He was the one shown as taking responsibility for Archana when she came in that house, then why can't couldn't they have shown this teeny weeny thing? Okay he is the side actor and can't be given much footage... then there was no need to show such a scene, just show Archu sleeping with a blanket and saying later that Baba gave it to me, and later Manav coming and draping it properly around her since it came off a little in her sleep. Would have done justice to both.
As you agreed above that at the cost of resurrecting Savita they lost out on a chance to build Manav's character, so similarly at the cost of resurrecting Manav they somehow didn't do justice to Damodar is what I feel. The first thing I felt when I saw that scene was not 'oh manav is so sweet.. he gave Archana a blanket..' it was 'why is this girl without a blanket.. ok Manav is making a show of not being concerned or not even paying attention enough to notice she doesn't have one... but Damo was with her.. why is his beti shivering?'
Just my thoughts... I like Damodar's character and so I am not really liking it that to salvage Manav creatives are showing inconsistencies in his character.
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Posted: 15 years ago
nO nikita , here i dont agree with u AT ALL . They showed Damodar sitting with her for consecutive two days now . Ur expecting so much detail from a side character and making so many excuses for your main lead Manav ......pardon me dear , i say what i feel . U know me na...dont take offense plz . We both r frank with each other and know each other by now.
We as a viewership are watching Manav carefully for details , Nikita . Little little details like him putting blanket , sleeping on floor , taking her to bathoom , Savita shud Not have taken her , Manav shud have . He was her gusband and he was responsible for her . No viewer will think Arre whats this Damo didnt put blanket ..........why ??/Coz this situation is for Manav Archna and thats what we wanna see , details from Manav . What Damo has done is enough , viewers r now watching Manav . Even today , what the hell was he doing inside ? Why wasnt he shown looking at her secretly from inside ? When Damodar called him he came quickly enough . Damodar made them go to Ganpati temple together even , pushing them both in each others arms ........how much more can Damodar do yaar ? He has pushed them in each others arms , she doesnt mind being held , now tightening the embrace is Manavs job . Uske upar dhyan do Doctor . ur guy isnt delivering , why go after Damodar .
Edited by koolsadhu1000 - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
I am sure Dam Baba is the one feeding her and making her hair , giving her medicine etc . They are just not showing it . He is with her almost all the time .
Maybe the first night he is a sound sleeper ....but when he is up , he is always with her ...
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Posted: 15 years ago
yes Doctor Ji , if Manav held her tightly today it is all thanks to Dam baba .
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Posted: 15 years ago

Oh god... I guess no one here is getting my point... I am not trying to defend Manav at all... I myself said that I always expect more from him since he is the main lead and more importantly her husband.... Manav is not the issue here at all... my point is that it doesn't make sense that Damodar isn't shown to be helping Archana in any little way.. protecting against Aai... giving her blanket... etc. etc.

My point is that the creatives showed him to be boldly telling the Karanjkars that Archana is my beti etc etc. but didn't show him doing a little bit for her.. it is a flaw of the creatives...not of the character...I choose the blanket scene to describe it coz it was the simplest, easiest and non-controversial scene. As Tanyaz rightly said, Baba must be doing her hair, medicines etc. even I'm sure he must be doing it...but creatives chose not to show this...I somehow felt that the way they protrayed this loving sasur-DIL relationship was lacking. But I liked the scene in which he sat with her in the kitchen and ate with her... I expected something of that sort rather than the same dialogue 'beti-beti' all the time.

Plus I didn't really understand where from this temple going thing and Damodar trying to unite Manav and Archana came in all this. I was focussing only on Damodar and Archana.
In the end if I'm not able to get my point across, then lets quit it. There is not point rambling on it. Lets discuss something else.
and yeah.. I'm NOT making excuses for Manav.. I wrote my reasons for having thought so and so and even said I wont try to convince anyone... pardon me if I'm sounding rude.. I'm really trying not to.. but I can't think of any other way to put my point across now. Lets leave it.
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