Cracks in Manav's character?

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Posted: 15 years ago
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So far Manav was elder brother like figure to Shravni. This makes whole concept of Shravni –Manav marriage ugly as it sort of amount to incest. More over it is illogical for Manav's family's orthodox ways that a bona fide married couple was forbidden to consummate marriage before a certain Pooja while other lady engaged in premarital sex is embraced wholeheartedly.

This concept is also creating first time inconsistencies in characterization of Manav which was flawless, ideal and yet believable so far. For instance while creatives continue to show his lingering love for Archna, in front of Shravni he is vouching the oblivion to Archna's existence! If in this his intention is to fulfill his promise then what about certain earlier sacred promises [seven in figure?] given to other human being which were taken in form of unbreakable oaths in presence of his entire clan and in witness of his beloved Deity? Oh! The divorce is the modern way out, but then why not adoption of younger brother's child within the fold of old marriage after a discrete delivery?

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Posted: 15 years ago
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i agree... and i like how you worded everything ... i totally agree with last part and that manav should have adopted the baby instead of being its step father
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Posted: 15 years ago
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even the movie Hum Aapke Hai Kaun focuses on this aspect...what is the need to marry your brother's love when you can offer the same amount of love to his kid being an Uncle....
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Posted: 15 years ago
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I agree! I too love the way you have worded everything.

Firstly on Manav-Shravani being like brother-sister, I completely agree. Although it would probably never be a marriage in the complete sense, just the thought of them even being married as a compromise is sickening. Its comparable to a scenario in which if when Savita was pregnant with Vandita, and Damodar died, then she would have married Kaka. Just... ugh, I mean you can see that she treats him (usually) with the respect of an elder brother, and I felt like it was the same with Manav and Shravani. The whole idea just makes me shudder.

You are so right about how Manav has also made promises to Archana. Every single time I read that he has once again confirmed in an episode that he will marry Shravani due to his responsibilities, I think, well what about your responsibility to Archana? Okay, although I completely disagree with him, I kind of get how he feels he has a responsibility to Sachin and dead Sachin's child, and that he feels like he doesn't need to be happy in life (with Archana) if he can help save Shravani and child... BUT what about Archana's happiness? I don't feel like he has any rights at all to rid her of a happy married life with the man that she loves (aka himself). Someone needs to knock some sense into this guy's head. I don't like what he's doing with Shravani either, he's getting her hopes up and all, but looking down the line its doubtful that he'll actually marry her and that's just really a mean thing to do after giving her so many hopes and reassurances.
I too cannot understand how Archana can be called characterless and a host of other abuses when the most "physical" she's ever gotten was giving her husband a hug, while Shravani who got knocked up before marriage (and maybe even engagement?) is welcomed whole-heartedly.
Nice post though, I like the way you wrote it.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Beautifully said .

And Exactly my sentiments . If u ask me , Manav truly damaged the Pavitra Rishta . This word has been flung around like anything in this serial but nothing seems to justify it .

Manav signed the divorce papers first . Archana didnt .

Manav agreed to marry another woman . Archana didnt agree to marry another man .

For all Manav's lovable persona the script writers made him do the serious damages to the Pavitra Rishta .

A lot of flak was given to Archu's mom for frowning down on the marraige but it has to be noted here that Sulochana did not persuade Archu to file for divorce , Savita ........Manav's mom did it . So both the times the serious break up actions came from the Deshmukh end . Amazingly , the Karanjkars r hated more than the Deshmukhs .

The tragedy of Sachins death has made the biggest villain of all .........Savita , a certified victim . It has turned Manav into a hero of some sorts who is fulfilling his responsibility .

Manav stands quietly while his mom called Archu badchalan and manhoos . But he never asks even once his mom in private , as too what she will call Shravani now that she is pregnant before marraige . In fact , no one has asked Savita this question about her favorite bahu Shravani . And the son who had the highest morals........Sachin ! He pinched girls butts and then had irresponsible sex before dying ........and yet Manav does not once point this out to Savita who does rampant character assasination of girls from other familes .

The only person who stands upto Savita is Damodar . Manav does not stand upto Savita even half as much as his Dad and currently is falling for each of her evil schemes as much as Vinod has been shown falling under Manju's spell .

Manav ignores the one parent who truly has his best interests at heart ..........Damodar , and literally pampers Savita all the time . No one in the house is this blind to Savita's faults.........not Sachin , Vandu , Kaka or Baba. Only Manav is.

It never strikes Manav about the travesty of justice of the events following his marraige..........how his mom did not allow the consummation of his marraige and how that decent gal Archu honoured that stupid order . And how the girl who didnt even wait for taking seven rounds before the holy fire is being welcomed with red carpets by that same hypocritical mother .

What will it take for Manav to recognize Savita's blatant hypocrisy ? Is he honestly this dense ? Everything is right there in front of him , how come he doesn't get it ? And Sulochana is blamed for not sending Archu to that house ! Honestly , who will ? Whatever Sulochana was she really loved archu , unlike Savita who Doesn't love Manav .

Manav even fought with the chawl people asking them were they not ashamed of taunting Savita after the jail thingy . Hadnt he seen for so many years Savita jeering and taunting nastily other people ?

He dragged Savita righteously to the karanjkar home after the jail episode and asked archana did I ever troubled u in my house .........what about his mom's atrocities which he isnt aware of till this point ?

Frankly speaking Savita is such a chadheli only due to Manav .......he is the earning member of the house and alone has the power to seriously shut her up . But he chooses not to .

Manav doesnt hold it against Girish that he made the fatal ruthless phonecall that sent Sachin spiralling to his death .He forgives Girish but not Archana ? Odd !

Manav proposes to Shravani on his own , even Savita isnt responsible for it . He cud have easily told Girish I am burned out with my first marraige I dont think I can ever have a second marraige in this life time I am still dealing with the ugliness of the first .........but I will take full responsibility of the baby .

He cud have adopted the baby and given it the Deshmukh name if Shravni wanted to remarry .

The worst thing he did was in his bid to take on a responsibility that wasnt even his , he was untrue to his heart. Right now he doesnt even seem to miss archu or want her back........she is actually a hindrance in his plans to marry Shravani !

And Archana has to take 'prayaschitta ' to save her marraige .......may I ask why the onus of working on a marraige is largely on the woman only ? Was Manav perfect , without faults ? was the Deshmukh family perfect ?Who will point this out to Manav in this serial ?




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Posted: 15 years ago
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Yeah agree with u..
The whole sequence of Manav n Shravani is pathetic... I dont get it why thy have introduce such story...

ANd 2nd yeah if Manav is modern enough to get divorce then why isnt he modern enough to adopt the child???

Marriage is not the only solution to this problem.. We all been saying same thing from the time this track is introduced!!! Why marry Shravani for child.. I hate this track yaar..
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: samarth_050

This concept is also creating first time inconsistencies in characterization of Manav which was flawless, ideal and yet believable so far. For instance while creatives continue to show his lingering love for Archna, in front of Shravni he is vouching the oblivion to Archna's existence! If in this his intention is to fulfill his promise then what about certain earlier sacred promises [seven in figure?] given to other human being which were taken in form of unbreakable oaths in presence of his entire clan and in witness of his beloved Deity? Oh! The divorce is the modern way out, but then why not adoption of younger brother's child within the fold of old marriage after a discrete delivery?

Manav is not divorcing Archana cos of Shravani.. rather he is ready to marry shravani cos of the divorce. If you remember, the seven holy promises were broken by Manav when he came to know that the girl he had loved, trusted and respected for so long had inflicted horrific tortures on his fmaily. He makes this statement in the jail. Similarily he declares in front of the whole Karanjkar family that this relationship has broken forever from his side. At that time Shravani was nowhere in the picture. Then why did he do so??
Do you think if Shravani's pregnancy hadn't come up, he would have been ready to accept Archana back or refused the divorce? I for my part don't think so AT ALL... the reason??? Cos the respect in the relationship is gone. Although Manav can't help loving Archana the same way as earlier, he knows there is no future in the relationship cos the respect and trust he had for Archana is no more now.. and relationships don't survive only on love.. neither do they last only cos of the seven promises. This is just like Archana refused to go back to Manav even though she loved him- there was no respect cos she thought he was characterless.
So it is not like Manav is breaking the seven promises or his relationship so that he can get married to Shravani.. that is a horrible thought. He is getting married to Shravani cos from his side the relationship was broken long back, the day that complaint was made. He has no hope in it anymore (cos of all that I've written above). This is what he says to his father too. This is also the reason Archana refusing divorce in court doesn't make him happy.. for him the relationship is broken. If tomorrow, after coming to know the truth about Archana, if he starts trusting Archana but still decides to go ahead with his decision to marry Shravani cos of the promise and his so-called responsibility towards Sachin's child.. forgetting about the seven promises to Archana and his responsibility towards her... then THAT will indeed be a flaw in his character.
So even though I don't support Manav's decision to marry Shravani, the whole situation doesn't really come up as something going against his character given the current circumstances. His point of view right now is..'OK, my relationship is broken.. but I dont think I can ever love someone again or get happily settled in life.. I will never be able to move on.. so why not sacrifice my life for Shravani and the child.. at least shravani's honour will be saved and the child will get a name..' again.. not the right decision.. a decision taken in a weak moment...but one that goes with his character nonetheless.. doing all he can to save the honour of a girl in the society and give his brother's child a good future.
Agree with you on the part however that adoption would have been much more sensible than marrying and ruining two lives (actually 3.. Archana as well.. but right now he isn't thinking of her) Also agree that their relationship was always portrayed as a bro-sis relationship and so their pair looks real bad to me.
Edited by nikitagmc - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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I am extremely disappointed with Manav . His only mission is to get rid of Archana and take care of Shravani .
His divorce has been dismissed . The reason given by the judge is that there could still be room for making it work . It is now extremely obvious how much Archana wants to make the marriage work . Any duffer would understand that a girl who so desperately wants me back obviously loves me .
But this just does not mean anything to him . He is only annoyed and worried that Shravani might leave the house .
Creatives are ruining his character .At least for a second he should have shown a little happy that his so called Zindagi wants him back .
I am feeling very very bad for Archana because she is so much in love with this man , who wants another woman . She is going against the whole world for him............for what ?????
Humiliation and heart break .
No matter what Mr. Manav Deshmukh said in the jail about his saat vachan , he is still a married man whose wife loves him madly and he bloody well knows that. Is she also not a part of his life , is she also not his responsibility???
Feel very bad for his wife, his poor dad and even Bappa ...I mean wasn't even God trying to tell him that he should stay true to his marriage . But this man will not listen to anyone , just only his heart and his mother ....
Ok, if this is the punishment Archana has to bear for not trusting him in the earlier part of her marriage then I hope she finds out soon about Shravani and leaves Manav's house soon, do not get humiliated any more .
A marriage should be betwee 2 people wanting to be together , this is a one sided marriage with only Archana wanting to stay married .
marriage makes more sense now for Manav and Shravani. For whatever reason , that is where 2 people want to be married and stay together .
Edited by Tanyaz - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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@Tanyaz: Arey yaar, he does not know Archana loves him.... 6 mahine se mana kar rahi hai.. ek din mein ab woh thodi na maan jayega. Try n look at things from his point of view.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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nahin yaar I am very angry with your guy .Maybe I will be Ok later , for now I am angry .Usko akal nahin hai , why is she saying no to divorce if she doesn't want him back ????

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