Manav caught b/w the devil and the deep sea!!!!!!! - Page 2

@Tanyaz: Not possible yaar, they showed Ganpati Bappa and they showed them both praying together, this means some miracle is about to happen.. Archu is going to land up in Manav's house for sure...

Originally posted by: nikitagmc

Right now Manav doesn't really consider Archana his responsibility... she left him and went away long back while he was nursing his broken heart and sinking into depression... since then she hasn't looked back.. nor has she ever made any attempt to give a direction to their relationship.. he doesn't even know that she loves him still cos he thinks she is busy planning her future with Satish.. they have come to the last step of divorce.. so why will Manav consider her his responsibilty.. in fact.. being fair.. she really isn't his responsibility now that she has completely alienated herself from him... why shud he think of his responsibilty towards her and their broken marriage when she has never evr thought of her responsibility towards him..

In fact I even felt it strange that today when his Baba was trying to convince him not to get married, then instead of saying 'I won't let you ruin your life, he was saying 'I wont let you do injustice to Archana'... hello... wat injustice..??? the girl herself left him a long time back and has never looked back... I understand that she was not responsible for the complaint... but even then has she made a single attempt to reconcile..??? Even if he does not marry Shravani, he is anyway gonna get divorced in 3 days... just cos manav does not answer back rudely.. everyone says whatever they want.. instead of guiding his son in a difficult time as this and assuring him tht they will handle the situation, he does not need to ruin his life.. he is accusing him of being 'unfair' to archana.

@Tanyaz: Yes, I believe Archna shud try to come back.. I have a strong reason for it.. but before that I wud like to analyse Manav's psychology a little.

Originally posted by: nikitagmc

@Tanyaz: Yes, I believe Archna shud try to come back.. I have a strong reason for it.. but before that I wud like to analyse Manav's psychology a little.

First things first, Shravani is not Manav's priority, she is his responsibility. There is a difference in both the words.. priority is when you give preference to one thing over all others.. we wud have called Shravani Manav's priority if he had chosen her over Archana.. we wud call her his priority tmrw if he choses her over Archana... but as of now... there is no Archana.. cos Manav has no hope of Archana returning or matters resolving between them, so is fulfilling his responsibility.

Neither is Shravani his priority nor his responsibiliity . Who is Shravani ? His brother's fiancee who got knocked up before marraige due to his brother's irresponsible and fast behaviour . In what way is Manav morally , legally , or even ethically responsible for this act ? The only persons responsible for this huge blunder are Sachin and Shravani . The other person responsible after Sachins death is Girish as Shravani is morally his responsibility as she is his daughter . Manav comes nowhere in this picture . He is NOT responsible for Sachin's mistakes ..........his black marketing , his eve teasing , his impregnating girls before marraige . Neither r Sachin's parents anymore .......if they show moral responsibility for their son , it can at the most be looking out for their grandchild by financially providing something for him with the daughter in laws consent . No one can do anything much in this situation here . The two people who slept together before marraige were ADULTS . They were no one's responsibility ........They were responsible for their own actions . What Girish is in effect doing here is pushing his moral responsibility on Manav by tying the stone aound his neck , himself becoming free ..........as Shravani became pregnant when she was unmarried and still living with him . Ruthlessly he had cut off all ties with Sachin when it was confirmed that the police charges wud always mar his record . He wanted a winner for his daughter NOT a loser . And now with what face he is asking Manav to take any responsibility and in what way is idiot Manav taking it upon himself to fulfil it ? Marrying a girl upon whom he looked as a sister is giving the brother sister relationship a sinful aspect . What is he gonna do after the marraige , sleep with his back to her for the rest of his life saying now in private we r bro and sis as I always looked at you that way , the marraige is for the world only ? Or is he gonna touch her as a husband , suddenly forgetting he had harbored only brotherly feeling towards her ? How disgusting can this relationship be ? Shravani is so highly educated , rich , superior to Manav in each way that in every way she is more stronger than him to fulfil her responsibility which is actually solely HERS alone after Sachin's death . She doesnt even need Manav . If the badnaami card is gonna be played ..........how to survive in an Indian society blah blah card , well , both Shravni and Sachin , till one month back were itching and soaring to run to the United States as it is , so why not now ? What is stopping her ? Any parent on Girish's place wud take his daughter there , have the baby and pehaps settle her down there itself as no one asks any questions in the States like India . If his daughter is not aborting the baby its her problem . Obviously she is smart enough and confident enough to manage all on her own . If Savita and Damodar want to be part of the childs life its their understanding with Shravni . Manav is just a youth who cud not handle his own recent marraige , and is still reeling under the shock . Shravni uski kuch bhi nahi lagti ............na responsibility na priority .

There is no doubt that the guy still loves Archana... did you see him wiping a tear of his eye in today's episode after he talked to the lawyer regarding the divorce... He is not OK with his marriage coming to an end... he simply doesn't have any choice.... Archana's unresponsive behavior had led him to believe that she doesn't want to save this marriage.. the complaint and Sachin's death have worsened matters... today, try as he might.. he cannot believe Archana. The reason-???

Please dont tell me he doesnt have a choice Nikita . Of course he does . And let us not go into the reason.........it will be opening a can of worms if we really get into that debate . We have debated about this in the past too . If he is not believing Archana it is by pure choice . Damodar chose to believe her . Manav has decided to ignore Satish , Varsha , Damodar , all . That too I can understand , chalo , there is such a thing as anger and he is entitled to feel at least a bit of it towards Archana , given the circumstances . What i cannot understand is how he chooes to believe Savita each time inspite of her infamous behaviour and reputation , sometimes even above Damodar . Damodar doesnt believe her inspite of being her husband but Manav chooses to believe everything Savita says . Of recent , we see Savita teaching him any nonsense and he agreeing . I admit Archu did a mistake in not believing him ...............just like he is doing today she too had not used her reasoning faculties and had Not believed Varsha . So i guess this is more of an Ekta's tit for Tat game rather than a Pavitra Rishta which it is inappropriately called . What i had expected , believing in the title song , was Manav rising much higher than Archana and taking the correct decision inspite of the adversities . If each time he is gonna be a sucker and fall for the circumstances thingy , both Manav and Archu r equally dumb , so why get on Archus case all the time ? Both dont rise to facing the challenges when adverse circumstances strike them and others do detective work , analysing , rational thinking for them .

For the past 6 months, he has been dying to hear a single loving word from his wife... he is starving for love like a love lost puppy, but got nothing in return... on what grounds today can he trust Archana or her love for him..(I'm not starting the blame game here... just analysing Manav's psychology) more than anger, he is actually hurt that his wife cudn't understand his love and went to the extent of hurting his family... he is obviously broken inside... it is definitely not easy for Varsha or Archu to convince such a person by just saying once that Archu did not make the complaint. These wounds are healed by time alone and by love... the person he needs most right now is his wife, even though we all know that due to his anger he will not accept this fact. Archu needs to show Manav that she loves him by thought, words and actions, we need to remember that Manav is not stone-hearted. That alone will give him the strength to trust her that she cud not have made the complaint, cos no other proof is going to work here... it is just a case of whether you want to trust or not. Manav needs to be convinced that Archu's intentions were not wrong at all, and that takes some time. That is why I'm happy about Archu coming back to Manav's house cos she will get time and opportunity to work on her relationship.

Now, why i want Archu to try and come back:

In every relationship, it sometimes happens that one person falls weak, and even thinks about breaking the relationship... in that case it automatically cums up on the spouse to be the support and the strength and take the lead in order to save the relationship.. that is why its said that it takes two to make a relationship... This is what manav did when Archana left him never to return again.

Do you remember the time Manav burnt his hand to convince Archu of is innocence.. it did not have any major impact on Archana... at that time Savita says.."Its is easy to wake a person who is sleeping.. but how to wake someone who is pretending to sleep... that girl doesn't want to believe you.. she preferred to believe a pimp over her own husband.. " At that time Manav says, "She is mistaken and wrong right now, but I have to try my best and take the lead to save this relationship for OUR sake" and so he literally went through shit trying to convince her of his innocence... what I'm trying to point is that it is this attitude which saves your relationship, when one falls weak or goes on the wrong path, the other has to be the guiding light.

He weht thru shit not just coz Archu didnt believe him ............also coz he was too devoted to his mom and believed her like THE GOSPEL TRUTH . She was the one who hacked at his marraige by lying , manipulating him and teaming with Manju . Manavs devotion to Savita blunts his intellect .

Today the roles have been reversed. Manav has fallen weak... he is angry and hurt. He doesn't have clarity of thought or action. He feels his life is over now cos there is no Archana, so he is feels its ok to sacrifice his life for someone else. Marriage with Shravani is nothing more than a compromise for him.... it is inevitable that the person whom he needs most at this juncture is HIS WIFE that is Archana.. else he will end up ruining his life.... and hers too!!

I wud not have said that she shud try to come back if he had decided to get married to Shravani to move on in life... then I wud have advocated that Archu shud also move on in life... but right now what he is doing in the name of fulfilling his responsibility is EMOTIONAL SUICIDE!! And she needs to stop her husband from making this mistake in a moment of weakness... this is the trademark of a good couple... when one makes mistakes.. the other corrects... when one is weak.. the other needs to be strong. And this is the thing that I want to see in PR, cos this message wud make the whole mess we have been seeing all these months worthwhile.

After all, where wud it lead them if they fall apart: Manav wud get married to Shravani, living a mechanical life devoid of feelings or love.... and as always fulfilling his responsibilities towards his family...

Archana wud study, work, pretend to be happy in front of her family but be sad within... and obviously never settle down cos she declared in front of everyone that she cud never love anyone else. Is this the future they deserve cos of the mistakes and schemings of others??/

PS: why does Archana have to stop her education or work... can't she study or work in Manav's house... why wud anyone stop her?

Is she ? Really ? I too , dont see the need . It is stupid to show she stops all over again .

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

Neither is Shravani his priority nor his responsibiliity . Who is Shravani ? His brother's fiancee who got knocked up before marraige due to his brother's irresponsible and fast behaviour . In what way is Manav morally , legally , or even ethically responsible for this act ? The only persons responsible for this huge blunder are Sachin and Shravani . The other person responsible after Sachins death is Girish as Shravani is morally his responsibility as she is his daughter . Manav comes nowhere in this picture . He is NOT responsible for Sachin's mistakes ..........his black marketing , his eve teasing , his impregnating girls before marraige . Neither r Sachin's parents anymore .......if they show moral responsibility for their son , it can at the most be looking out for their grandchild by financially providing something for him with the daughter in laws consent . No one can do anything much in this situation here . The two people who slept together before marraige were ADULTS . They were no one's responsibility ........They were responsible for their own actions . What Girish is in effect doing here is pushing his moral responsibility on Manav by tying the stone aound his neck , himself becoming free ..........as Shravani became pregnant when she was unmarried and still living with him . Ruthlessly he had cut off all ties with Sachin when it was confirmed that the police charges wud always mar his record . He wanted a winner for his daughter NOT a loser . And now with what face he is asking Manav to take any responsibility and in what way is idiot Manav taking it upon himself to fulfil it ? Marrying a girl upon whom he looked as a sister is giving the brother sister relationship a sinful aspect . What is he gonna do after the marraige , sleep with his back to her for the rest of his life saying now in private we r bro and sis as I always looked at you that way , the marraige is for the world only ? Or is he gonna touch her as a husband , suddenly forgetting he had harbored only brotherly feeling towards her ? How disgusting can this relationship be ? Shravani is so highly educated , rich , superior to Manav in each way that in every way she is more stronger than him to fulfil her responsibility which is actually solely HERS alone after Sachin's death . She doesnt even need Manav . If the badnaami card is gonna be played ..........how to survive in an Indian society blah blah card , well , both Shravni and Sachin , till one month back were itching and soaring to run to the United States as it is , so why not now ? What is stopping her ? Any parent on Girish's place wud take his daughter there , have the baby and pehaps settle her down there itself as no one asks any questions in the States like India . If his daughter is not aborting the baby its her problem . Obviously she is smart enough and confident enough to manage all on her own . If Savita and Damodar want to be part of the childs life its their understanding with Shravni . Manav is just a youth who cud not handle his own recent marraige , and is still reeling under the shock . Shravni uski kuch bhi nahi lagti ............na responsibility na priority .