IWMBUZZ segment - Babita is in love with HS - Page 3

Originally posted by: inlieu

Hey! Jump right in, dear! Exchange of ideas is great.

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I think Naeem Bi and HS are the only ones who understand what this means. I am also wondering if HS will one day realize that no matter how much he loves Minnie and her, marriage might not be the best idea.

He is lonely, and still grieving, and these two have brought light back in his life, but can they go the distance with him. In Minnie's case as well, no matter how much they love each other and become father-daughter, since they do not share DNA it has to be their choice to respect and honor that bond lifelong (or not).

Will HS take a hard look at things and also be a bit "selfish" in the sense that he looks for his own happiness too and has the courage to turn the other way if Babita isn't worthy of him? I don't think he'd judge or test Minnie because she's his daughter and he will never expect anything from her. Even if she turns the other way, she will always find him where she left him with no change in his selfless love for her.

I have a feeling Babita's success will get to her head, the way HS keeps worrying it will, and then she will lose him. Whether that is temporary or permanent remains to be seen. Are the CVs bold enough to show a Gone with the Wind kind of ending? So many possibilities!

HS has to fully grieve Imarti and his child's death before he even thinks about marriage. He also needs to be aware of the fact that this won't be like the first time. Whatever equation he had with Imarti will not be the same as his and Babes. He also can't be looking for hints of Imarti in Babes. Not in Babes' cooking, or when she's doing the tulsi aangan ki aarti. Babita is Babita and Imarti was Imarti. Yes, they may share similar qualities but at the end of the day, they are two completely different people.

I'm glad that they haven't HS blinded in Babes' love. He's fully aware of when the mother-daughter take him for granted and begin showing attitude to him whenever they want. That's not right and there's a limit to what he can stand. The only reason he hasn't said anything to them is cuz he respects them. They can't confuse his respect for fear or be under the assumption that they can get away with treating him like trash and HS will forgive them all the time.

It's tricky cuz in one way he doesn't have the right to expect anything from them since he isn't blood related but on the other hand, he has DONE so much more than a blood relative did for them. If anything, the only he can ask for is to respect his love for them, and to treat it with some dignity however they seem fit. If they don't want him as a husband and father, then present their choice in a dignified manner. Don't insult him or his feelings and I think at the end of the day that's what he wants.

There will definitely be some downs in Babe's career and that's just the reality of it. It doesn't have to be anything too overly dramatic. They can become stagnant and not getting any new customers in the immediate area and delivering it to other cities could become expensive. Or maybe they're falling out of touch with some of the food trends that are going around. Or maybe they can address Minni's anger in relation to the brand. The bigger that Patiala Babes gets, the more reputable they become and in today's cancel culture, reputation is everything. If Minni gets into yet again another physical fight or a verbal argument gets recorded and becomes viral, it will undoubtedly harm Patiala Babes in the long run. If it gets cancelled, Minni will see first hand as to how damaging her violent temper really is. She would've single-handedly ruined everything that her mother worked so hard for and this time she can't blame anyone but herself.

Originally posted by: asmaanixx

Right back at ya!

I'm in two minds about Babes and her being with someone else. On one hand, of course she has the freedom to choose whoever she wants, but as a viewer, this new person better be worth it. The writers need to invest enough time to prove why this new man is a good for both Babes and Mini. Is he considerate of their past? Has he made the efforts to know them? Does he have any expectations of them and if yes, what are they? Not to mention, his family and their expectations of Babes and Mini. Does he live with his parents? If yes, what kind of people are they? What kind of daughter-in-law do they want and would they be okay with having a teenage step-daughter? What are their views on a divorcee? Or the fact that Babes has been living with another man for almost a year (even though it's just as a tenant, this issue has been brought up many times before, it will most definitely be brought up again).

It's not a bad thing to introduce another good man. It will simply showcase how there are both bad and good people. HS isn't the only good man left in the world. There are others who are also capable of being just as good as him. Plus, it'll give Mini another perspective on men too. Yes, she sees HS as a role model, but she still harbors a lot of bitterness and resentment towards men as a whole. She was like that with Mickey and when she found out about HS's feelings towards Babes, she was quick to judge him too.

As a viewer, we have seen first hand how HS has handled Babes and Mini during all their turmoils. He intimately knows all their pains and sufferings and has seen how they have risen from ashes to the top. And I think he told this to Naeem Bi that he doesn't want a Babes who is wholly dedicated to him because he knows it won't be true. She has a traumatic past and a lot of relations that she can't just let go of overnight. It's the same thing with him. Imarti's passing hasn't lessened his love for her. Rather, it grew immensely to the point that it bled into his daily life and in some ways, into his relationship and love for Babes too. Yes, he took Babes and Mini in because that's what Imarti would have wanted, but him giving Imarti's karchi and diya to Babita was in a way keeping her alive as well. In the same way, yes, Ashok has been sent away to London, but that doesn't erase the fact that his presence is still there with them. Mini's whole existence will be a reminder of him. As well as Babes' catering business and any other ventures she goes on. If it weren't for Ashok's cruelness, she would never have gotten the push that she needed to embark on this self journey.

Babes absolutely has no financial problem in leaving the haveli but I think the only thing that's making her stay is HS. When Minni was insisting on leaving, she could have agreed. After all, her daughter's happiness comes first, but she didn't. In some ways, HS has become such an integral part of their lives, it'll be hard to keep going without him in it. In some ways, it's all the happiness and sorrow they have shared, but it's also just about having that company around. It really is like having a family. If even one person is gone, it feels like something is missing.

I agree with you on that. Despite Imarti, HS was able to find love again. However, having a child and being a father is something he was never able to experience until Minni came around. If Minni gives him the status and rights of being a father to her, then he would willingly sacrifice his love for Babes just so that he can keep that father-child bond alive. I also feel like Minni will become a lot more mature because of HS. He has his own share of sorrow, griefs, and trauma but he still manages to have an optimistic outlook on life. There have been many situations where HS has been angered and as a police officer, he could have taken undue advantage of his power and authority but he never did. He never once let his anger dictate his actions and this is something that Minni could benefit a lot from learning. She lets her anger take complete control over her and she ends up doing a lot more damage than good.

It will be very complicated because I can't see Minni giving anyone else a fatherly status than HS. If Babes marries someone else, then I can see Minni sharing very superficial things but when it comes to some sort of crises, or just wanting to rant/vent, share some highly good news like an acceptance for a college etc. - all these would be shared with HS first. Minni didn't really ever have a father and all the things she shared with HS, she didn't do it with the mindset of I'm doing this because you're my dad now. She simply shared and he helped her. He continues to guide her even when she makes really bad mistakes and that's something Minni can't just ignore. If she can't let some random person into her Babes' life, then there's no way that she'll kick HS out for them.

That's true, the other person has to be good and deserving of Minnie and her, and I'm sure she will choose well this time, if that's how things turn out. Likewise, they must also be deserving of him. I think it also depends on how long they want this show to go on and what avenues they want to explore. He would have to be open-minded, generous, and loving to both of them as well as be able to appreciate that they had a certain past that they've grown from. I don't think Babita would accept him otherwise.

I also agree with you that it would be a good way for Minnie to learn that there is good in the world apart from HS. Also, that her Hanuman Uncle is human after all. He is better than a lot of men, but he isn't without his flaws. She should not make the mistake of hero-worshiping him to the point where she sets too high a bar and is unable to accept other men, either as a stepfather or as a husband in future.

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Regarding HS' attachment to Imarti, I think the first few times he used to talk about how he sees reflections of her in Babita, and maybe this will come up in conversation too. He should love Babita for who she is and not for what she reminds him of from time to time. I also, think part of the attraction to her is the fact that she was an abla nari who he was able to sort of 'rescue' as penance for not being able to help his mother. Does that make him biased in a way that a new man would not? A new man who would see the stronger more independent Babita, and choose her as she is? I see merit in that too. I speak from personal experience that this is quite important for one's growth because when you change you will meet people who deal with you based on your current self and not on a past they may or may not have been privy to.

Yes, HS has become part of their family and if he hadn't developed feelings for Babita, this could have gone on for a long time, i.e. they could have lived in his house for years. But now I don't see how that would work. Sooner or later the feelings are going to get in the way, especially now that Minnie is on a mission.

@blue - absolutely loved the way you described this.
I also feel that even though HS had long accepted Minnie as his own daughter, the recent events and his declaration of that status, plus his conversation with Minnie in the hospital have changed something in him forever. If she exits his life, he will be heartbroken, full stop. He was even willing to remain friends with her if they moved out and be there for her no matter what. By that, I also feel he implied continue to help Minnie grow into a mature and good human being, help her learn to manage her anger, and give her a balanced perspective on life, just like he has managed to keep considering what he's been through. I will also credit Imarti with that. She gave him a purpose in life and showed him another side of life that he had been completely deprived of, growing up. Her essence truly lives within his soul, and in his company, I see a lot of it transfer to Minnie as well. He will always be her go-to person, even over Babita.

I would want Minnie to be able to put HS first one day, the way he has been able to. No, he would never expect her to make such a sacrifice, but if she really becomes like him the way she claims to want to be, then she will make that big move for him one day. The other thing is that he not only helped her and looked after her but he gave her a role model and a completely new perspective in life that she had never imagined possible. I remember how she was telling Mickey that she had never met someone like HS in her life, partly because she had seen a somewhat sheltered childhood. Now out in the world she will face trials and have to make her own decisions, something for which HS is a great mentor to her.

As for a man other than HS becoming her stepfather, it is also another lesson in life that a lot of divorced people with kids end up remarrying and the new spouse does not share a true parent-like relationship with their stepchild. And that is fine, such is life.

I can't believe how much this show makes me think! It's rare for ITV. 😆

Originally posted by: asmaanixx

HS has to fully grieve Imarti and his child's death before he even thinks about marriage. He also needs to be aware of the fact that this won't be like the first time. Whatever equation he had with Imarti will not be the same as his and Babes. He also can't be looking for hints of Imarti in Babes. Not in Babes' cooking, or when she's doing the tulsi aangan ki aarti. Babita is Babita and Imarti was Imarti. Yes, they may share similar qualities but at the end of the day, they are two completely different people.

I'm glad that they haven't HS blinded in Babes' love. He's fully aware of when the mother-daughter take him for granted and begin showing attitude to him whenever they want. That's not right and there's a limit to what he can stand. The only reason he hasn't said anything to them is cuz he respects them. They can't confuse his respect for fear or be under the assumption that they can get away with treating him like trash and HS will forgive them all the time.

It's tricky cuz in one way he doesn't have the right to expect anything from them since he isn't blood related but on the other hand, he has DONE so much more than a blood relative did for them. If anything, the only he can ask for is to respect his love for them, and to treat it with some dignity however they seem fit. If they don't want him as a husband and father, then present their choice in a dignified manner. Don't insult him or his feelings and I think at the end of the day that's what he wants.

There will definitely be some downs in Babe's career and that's just the reality of it. It doesn't have to be anything too overly dramatic. They can become stagnant and not getting any new customers in the immediate area and delivering it to other cities could become expensive. Or maybe they're falling out of touch with some of the food trends that are going around. Or maybe they can address Minni's anger in relation to the brand. The bigger that Patiala Babes gets, the more reputable they become and in today's cancel culture, reputation is everything. If Minni gets into yet again another physical fight or a verbal argument gets recorded and becomes viral, it will undoubtedly harm Patiala Babes in the long run. If it gets cancelled, Minni will see first hand as to how damaging her violent temper really is. She would've single-handedly ruined everything that her mother worked so hard for and this time she can't blame anyone but herself.

I love this post of yours! Again, I feel as if you are mirroring my thoughts.

HS' grief is still not something the makers have touched upon fully. Either they will not explore it beyond the bare minimum that Babita and Minnie need to know (to my disappointment) or they will go deep into it and have some fabulous tracks to peel off more layers of his character and expose his soul to us one day. I really pray it's the latter and I know Aniruddh is going to kill us with his performances.

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I cracked up at this but I agree that he needs to see her as an individual different from Imarti. I really hope Babita challenges him on this one day. As Naeem Bi reminded him, Babita is not a blank piece of paper like Imarti was. She comes with her own baggage.

I am also glad that he's not seen as a hen-pecked or blind lover. Just as women shouldn't be like that with their husbands, so must men not be that way with their wives. Again, it's good for Minnie to see all this when growing up, that things must be in balance. I hope one day he does explode when he's fed up of their tantrums. They fail to give him the respect he deserves sometimes. You'd think after what they went through that they'd be kinder to him, and if not, then at least show him basic courtesy. Yes, he's noble and extremely generous, so he will not expect anything from them. He may not in theory have the right to, but normal people (not him) end up having expectations when they do something for someone, no matter how sincere. If nothing, he has the right to feel hurt, both as a landlord and as a friend/confidante.

Minnie's anger issues should land her in big trouble, otherwise she will never learn things the hard way. Very soon she will become an adult, so if she is arrested for physical assault, even HS won't be able to shield her. I'd love to see what he does in that case. He would be disappointed for sure, because their first meeting was because of her "violence" and so many months/years later she is still unable to shake those tendencies. Also, her know-it-all, overconfident attitude will lead her to make mistakes because she is just a kid after all and doesn't know the ways of the cut-throat world of business yet.

Frankly, I wish Ashok were still around so that Minnie could learn to deal with both the good and bad in their lives, and that she could have steady reminder of where blind rage gets you. (Also, because I wanted a dad vs dad fight with Minnie choosing HS and declaring him her dad in public). Maybe one day, if he comes back on the show, but this has been one of my dream sequences.

Originally posted by: inlieu

That's true, the other person has to be good and deserving of Minnie and her, and I'm sure she will choose well this time, if that's how things turn out. Likewise, they must also be deserving of him. I think it also depends on how long they want this show to go on and what avenues they want to explore. He would have to be open-minded, generous, and loving to both of them as well as be able to appreciate that they had a certain past that they've grown from. I don't think Babita would accept him otherwise.

I also agree with you that it would be a good way for Minnie to learn that there is good in the world apart from HS. Also, that her Hanuman Uncle is human after all. He is better than a lot of men, but he isn't without his flaws. She should not make the mistake of hero-worshiping him to the point where she sets too high a bar and is unable to accept other men, either as a stepfather or as a husband in future.

@bold
Regarding HS' attachment to Imarti, I think the first few times he used to talk about how he sees reflections of her in Babita, and maybe this will come up in conversation too. He should love Babita for who she is and not for what she reminds him of from time to time. I also, think part of the attraction to her is the fact that she was an abla nari who he was able to sort of 'rescue' as penance for not being able to help his mother. Does that make him biased in a way that a new man would not? A new man who would see the stronger more independent Babita, and choose her as she is? I see merit in that too. I speak from personal experience that this is quite important for one's growth because when you change you will meet people who deal with you based on your current self and not on a past they may or may not have been privy to.

Yes, HS has become part of their family and if he hadn't developed feelings for Babita, this could have gone on for a long time, i.e. they could have lived in his house for years. But now I don't see how that would work. Sooner or later the feelings are going to get in the way, especially now that Minnie is on a mission.

@blue - absolutely loved the way you described this.
I also feel that even though HS had long accepted Minnie as his own daughter, the recent events and his declaration of that status, plus his conversation with Minnie in the hospital have changed something in him forever. If she exits his life, he will be heartbroken, full stop. He was even willing to remain friends with her if they moved out and be there for her no matter what. By that, I also feel he implied continue to help Minnie grow into a mature and good human being, help her learn to manage her anger, and give her a balanced perspective on life, just like he has managed to keep considering what he's been through. I will also credit Imarti with that. She gave him a purpose in life and showed him another side of life that he had been completely deprived of, growing up. Her essence truly lives within his soul, and in his company, I see a lot of it transfer to Minnie as well. He will always be her go-to person, even over Babita.

I would want Minnie to be able to put HS first one day, the way he has been able to. No, he would never expect her to make such a sacrifice, but if she really becomes like him the way she claims to want to be, then she will make that big move for him one day. The other thing is that he not only helped her and looked after her but he gave her a role model and a completely new perspective in life that she had never imagined possible. I remember how she was telling Mickey that she had never met someone like HS in her life, partly because she had seen a somewhat sheltered childhood. Now out in the world she will face trials and have to make her own decisions, something for which HS is a great mentor to her.

As for a man other than HS becoming her stepfather, it is also another lesson in life that a lot of divorced people with kids end up remarrying and the new spouse does not share a true parent-like relationship with their stepchild. And that is fine, such is life.

I can't believe how much this show makes me think! It's rare for ITV. 😆

We've already seen Minnie be highly disappointed in HS when she found out about his feelings. She really does need to realize that there is no such thing as perfection. Yes, HS is an amazing person but he too has his faults. He also gets angry, he also takes offense to accusations laid against him, and he won't allow himself to be taken for granted. Then there's the matter of his alcoholism and how whilst growing up he used to believe that women are meant to be submissive to men. It took marrying Imarti for him to learn that's not true.

I'm curious to know more about this redemptive side of HS. There is guilt, but how much of it is affecting his feelings for her? I don't want Babita to be his redemption. Marrying her or loving her shouldn't be the answer to his faults. Rather, it should be everything else that he has been doing thus far. Helping all women regardless of who they are in their struggles should be his atonement.

In that sense, I agree with you. Babes is no longer Babita Khurana. Those bitter and harsh memories are better left in the past. And if Babes lets her past influence her future then what will be the point of all the progress that she made? For her to truly move forward, in a sense, she has to completely dissociate herself from her past. It's kind of like going to school. We still remember some of the lessons, teachers and friends from those days. They affect us in some ways in our daily lives as they laid down the foundations of our characteristics and education, but that doesn't mean we remember them every single moment of our life. It's there in the background, but it doesn't hold a tight grip on us.

I understand Minnie's desire to make Babes happy but she needs to take a chill pill. There is no hurry for the realization and confession. The matter is between HS & Babes. They know what their dynamic and relationship to each other is better than anyone else. Let them dictate the speed and course it will take. They're both grown adults who have had their own share of happiness and sorrow. If they can handle huge tragedies in their lives and come out of on top, then this khashish for each other is nothing.

HS' relationship with Minnie is highly unique. Minnie has often bared her frustrations before him and he has helped her out as needed. On the flip side, HS has also shared his regrets but Minnie doesn't have the experience nor wisdom that is required to help him out. She's far too young to make sense of these things.

Do you mean choose HS over Babes? Cuz I don't know what it will take to make that happen. If it's HS vs. the world, then she'll choose HS hands down. She needs to be careful when it comes to role models. It happened with me in relation to celebrities. In teenage years, you tend to see everything either in rose tinted glasses or are quick to excuse any faults they may have. She has to realize that everyone has their good days and bad. If Babes and HS ever get married, there will bound to be fights. It's inevitable. I don't think it will ever get to Ashok's level, but there will be frustrations and arguments between the two and during that time Minnie can't overreact like she's prone to do. Getting a little personal here, but my family has had its own share of problems as well. There have been a lot of verbal arguments, a lot of yelling and screaming. While it has settled down by a huge amount now but there are still times when my parents will be grumpy at each other and speak in a slightly raised voice. When it happens, I get irritated and my mind immediately jumps to all the things that can go wrong but at the end of the day it's nothing. That's just how some relationships are. There's happiness, and sorrow. There's teasing and yelling. There's care and frustration.

If there is a new man, I really doubt he would treat Minnie like a kid. She's almost in her twenties and has had to grow a lot in the past few years. If anything, the relationship would be akin to friendship which I think Minnie herself would find apt.

LMAO, it's rare for an ITV to be written so well, that in a realistic approach. Otherwise they would have introduced all the chudails and dayaans by now. 🤣

HS is over the death of his Wife as its been a quite a few years now and he is in Love with Babita and he is not rushing it at all.

Why on earth do people want another Men when she is already in Love with HS and this is not a typical Indian serials of various loves and remarriage etc. This is a different show.

Khatri will not go far in his dramas as he will soon be caught out by his cheating and I don't think that Mini will accept anyone else for her stepfather.

Even today she tought he went too far with it and she was like what and was not upset at all and told him off.

Originally posted by: inlieu

I love this post of yours! Again, I feel as if you are mirroring my thoughts.

HS' grief is still not something the makers have touched upon fully. Either they will not explore it beyond the bare minimum that Babita and Minnie need to know (to my disappointment) or they will go deep into it and have some fabulous tracks to peel off more layers of his character and expose his soul to us one day. I really pray it's the latter and I know Aniruddh is going to kill us with his performances.

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I cracked up at this but I agree that he needs to see her as an individual different from Imarti. I really hope Babita challenges him on this one day. As Naeem Bi reminded him, Babita is not a blank piece of paper like Imarti was. She comes with her own baggage.

I am also glad that he's not seen as a hen-pecked or blind lover. Just as women shouldn't be like that with their husbands, so must men not be that way with their wives. Again, it's good for Minnie to see all this when growing up, that things must be in balance. I hope one day he does explode when he's fed up of their tantrums. They fail to give him the respect he deserves sometimes. You'd think after what they went through that they'd be kinder to him, and if not, then at least show him basic courtesy. Yes, he's noble and extremely generous, so he will not expect anything from them. He may not in theory have the right to, but normal people (not him) end up having expectations when they do something for someone, no matter how sincere. If nothing, he has the right to feel hurt, both as a landlord and as a friend/confidante.

Minnie's anger issues should land her in big trouble, otherwise she will never learn things the hard way. Very soon she will become an adult, so if she is arrested for physical assault, even HS won't be able to shield her. I'd love to see what he does in that case. He would be disappointed for sure, because their first meeting was because of her "violence" and so many months/years later she is still unable to shake those tendencies. Also, her know-it-all, overconfident attitude will lead her to make mistakes because she is just a kid after all and doesn't know the ways of the cut-throat world of business yet.

Frankly, I wish Ashok were still around so that Minnie could learn to deal with both the good and bad in their lives, and that she could have steady reminder of where blind rage gets you. (Also, because I wanted a dad vs dad fight with Minnie choosing HS and declaring him her dad in public). Maybe one day, if he comes back on the show, but this has been one of my dream sequences.

I really hope we get to see more of HS' background! The way they have tucked in little bits and pieces thus far is so precious but it made sense at the time. The story was focused more on Babes and Minnie while HS was a supporting character. But now the dynamics have shifted. HS is now a huge part of their life and given their situation it makes sense for Babes and Minnie to be more invested in him.

Ufh! Anirudh ki toh baat hi maat karo. The very first episode I watched was where Minnie was hospitalized and they were filling out the forms etc. And the scene where Babes was freaking out whilst signing the consent form, and HS looked at her and then held her hand as means of support - I was BAWLING. It was crazy how that was the only episode I watched, completely out of context and it had affected me so much. It's truly a testament to all of their acting skills. 👏

Agreed. I don't know what to say about their behavior cuz it's not like they didn't have men at their previous home but the relationship was different. There was a father-in-law, brother-in-law, brother and grandfather but there wasn't a husband and father. They don't really know how to live in these relations and I guess it's something that they'll all have to learn together. Although they had all been giving each other rights over each other silently, there have now been verbal confirmations which I think was needed for the progression of their relationships. Now, HS has the right to express his frustrations to them and tell them when he feels hurt by their actions.

You would think the incident with Manmeet would bring some sense into her but I guess not. 🤔 Minnie's confidence is good but it needs to be sensible. The incident with the interview was a prime example of that. Yes, she played a huge role in establishing Patiala Babes but it's her mom's face that is on all the posters, videos etc. She's the one who is actually producing all the high quality food, and handling all the orders. And in terms of marketing and creating a brand, it's not just Minnie who's doing that. There's Preet, Mickey, Bobby, Naeem Bi, Madhu, Mrs. Khatri, and so many more. It's an entire team that has made Patiala Babes what it is today.

I don't know how to feel about Ashok. On one hand I'm glad that he's gone cuz he made my blood boil every time he came on screen but on the other, he's the reason why there were so many obstacles and conflicts for Babes to overcome. As of now, we only have Khatri and while he's a full kameena, for how long can he be the antagonist? There has to be someone new or bring back Ashok. Frankly, I can't believe that Ashok changed overnight. After all the shit he's done, there's no way he can realize his mistakes or be so regretful.