Dev and Shiva are like Janardhan

Read through this to understand how these three characters are similar in a shameful way

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This is so so so true!!!!

i am not alright with the manhandling but i am not going to put dev and shiva in janardhan's category either. Dev is not winning any points since he married rishita but so far his behavior with rishita is too mild for what she has done. Dev has stood by her and at times raised his voice(by saying shut up) or just grab her. Rishita doesnt understand the language of sentiments or love. Dhara and rishita are the two reasons for division of family as former is busy being mahaan and the latter is just being a jacka** because she enjoys tamasha and doesnt care about anyone but herself and her dev. so i am not even going to extend any sympathy for her as she hasnt done anything to deserve them. she has enough sympathy from dhara so lets not add to that. coming to shivi, ok agreed that is troublesome and shiva needs to stop grabbing raavi. although when it comes to janardhan, i am very sure he has verbally and physically abused his wife considering how he behaved during the prewedding drama with his own daughter. same goes for bua. so putting shiva and dev, who i can easily say will never resort of beating up their wives, doesnt make sense as janardhan doesnt respect anyone. rishita needs to stop inciting problems because she needs to understand that one cant expect love and respect if she doesnt bother giving it to others in first place. also janardhan clearly has a low view for women and that is not the case with shiva and dev. shiva has even clearly said that raavi doesnt deserve someone like him as he is way beneath her expectations.

Originally posted by: john909

i am not alright with the manhandling but i am not going to put dev and shiva in janardhan's category either. Dev is not winning any points since he married rishita but so far his behavior with rishita is too mild for what she has done. Dev has stood by her and at times raised his voice(by saying shut up) or just grab her. Rishita doesnt understand the language of sentiments or love. Dhara and rishita are the two reasons for division of family as former is busy being mahaan and the latter is just being a jacka** because she enjoys tamasha and doesnt care about anyone but herself and her dev. so i am not even going to extend any sympathy for her as she hasnt done anything to deserve them. she has enough sympathy from dhara so lets not add to that. coming to shivi, ok agreed that is troublesome and shiva needs to stop grabbing raavi. although when it comes to janardhan, i am very sure he has verbally and physically abused his wife considering how he behaved during the prewedding drama with his own daughter. same goes for bua. so putting shiva and dev, who i can easily say will never resort of beating up their wives, doesnt make sense as janardhan doesnt respect anyone. rishita needs to stop inciting problems because she needs to understand that one cant expect love and respect if she doesnt bother giving it to others in first place. also janardhan clearly has a low view for women and that is not the case with shiva and dev. shiva has even clearly said that raavi doesnt deserve someone like him as he is way beneath her expectations.

Very well said! Totally agree ❤️

Originally posted by: john909

i am not alright with the manhandling but i am not going to put dev and shiva in janardhan's category either. Dev is not winning any points since he married rishita but so far his behavior with rishita is too mild for what she has done. Dev has stood by her and at times raised his voice(by saying shut up) or just grab her. Rishita doesnt understand the language of sentiments or love. Dhara and rishita are the two reasons for division of family as former is busy being mahaan and the latter is just being a jacka** because she enjoys tamasha and doesnt care about anyone but herself and her dev. so i am not even going to extend any sympathy for her as she hasnt done anything to deserve them. she has enough sympathy from dhara so lets not add to that. coming to shivi, ok agreed that is troublesome and shiva needs to stop grabbing raavi. although when it comes to janardhan, i am very sure he has verbally and physically abused his wife considering how he behaved during the prewedding drama with his own daughter. same goes for bua. so putting shiva and dev, who i can easily say will never resort of beating up their wives, doesnt make sense as janardhan doesnt respect anyone. rishita needs to stop inciting problems because she needs to understand that one cant expect love and respect if she doesnt bother giving it to others in first place. also janardhan clearly has a low view for women and that is not the case with shiva and dev. shiva has even clearly said that raavi doesnt deserve someone like him as he is way beneath her expectations.

I honestly don't agree with that . It always actually starts with a grab on shoulder or a slight push . I mean this is actually a long debate but the meaning of the post is the same is in context with manhandling their wives . There is no less or more extent to which u hurt someone physically . The underlying meaning is the same . It's a stark reflection on our patriarchal society . That even " well brought up kids" like Dev and Shiva as mentioned in the serial are not hesitating once while doing this . This is shown as their second nature to grab their wives arm . Even so much so that the well behaved baccha dev is also doing this . However obnoxious ones behaviour maybe doesn't give a guy a right to hurt his partner like that and vice versa . I hope you are able to make the right understanding out of it.

Toxicity should not be glorified.

Saw this in Instagram a while ago.

It's so true.

I saw this a while back. Here's what I think, and there's a few factors to it for me. I wish it was so simple. I really understand the message behind it. Toxicity on any level, from any character should not be tolerated - whether they are protagonists or antagonists, whether they are male or female. And it always starts off somewhere, in their case grabbing someone harshly. I hate that they're able to use their bhabi so easily as a reason to do this. Hence why I look forward to the day they put more importance on their wives.

Here's where my problem lies. For me Shiva and Dev DO get criticised - rightfully so, but I'd like to add that Rishita and Dhara do not get criticised wrongfully. They are mainly bashed for creating that toxic environment for Raavi, another female who has suffered unlike any other. Rishita gets called out for her behaviour regarding her nastiness, her methods and her reasonings behind her outbursts are questioned...and it's usually something nasty towards another female. But alot of what she says people can relate to and they say this too. Dhara gets criticised for being detrimental towards another female, for beating people mercilessly - they're all things to criticise! It's not about fitting in around the family, are they doing things which make us females also uncomfortable. When we see men acting like this it makes us uncomfortable so we call it, are we not able to do the same for the females? We relate so much to these female characters being shown, they're not there to be just 'accepted', whether anyone likes it or not we will criticise them. Same with the males - no one has accepted their behaviour. It was and is being criticised. Would I go as far as to compare them to Janardhan, perhaps not, but I can definitely see how toxic it is.

Another issue I've had, and this is no fault of the person who posted...this post was being used as a method to portray GauRa as the only 'non-toxic' characters and not as a way to call out behaviours of Shiva and Dev. GauRa's abuse were being justified while this wasn't, when it's both that shouldn't have been. It just looks ironic that one case of abuse is being used to justify other characters have also abused others...again no fault of the person posting. But it's hard to ignore.

Should TV stop showing abuse, toxicity to their viewers? Personally as someone who can see it clearly when it's in front of me, I would say no. My issue is when they glorify it. So did they glorify it? When these incidences have taken place, most people bashed it, and rightfully so. I'll say most because there's always a handful who don't. It's been called out as wrong. You could see it as wrong with no excuses! Even the characters of Raavi and Rishita can see it as wrong, even if it's a sentence they'll usually say something back. Hence I would say star plus did not glorify it. Can you say the same for when Dhara and Gaumbi have behaved like this with members of their family? No, it was shown as their 'haq'. Whilst alot of fans called it out, alot fans have gone with the tagline 'a mother has a right to punish you in any way they want because they raised you' and it's disturbing with the amount of people who believe this. Star plus are continuing with this look as well. And that is exactly the difference between the cases - one is being glorified whilst the other isn't.

Why does GauRa even have anything to do with this post? Unfortunately those same people have twisted it and used it for their own benefit, and not as it should have been. Again no fault of the person posting.

This is just my opinion ❤.

Originally posted by: Miss_SR

I saw this a while back. Here's what I think, and there's a few factors to it for me. I wish it was so simple. I really understand the message behind it. Toxicity on any level, from any character should not be tolerated - whether they are protagonists or antagonists, whether they are male or female. And it always starts off somewhere, in their case grabbing someone harshly. I hate that they're able to use their bhabi so easily as a reason to do this. Hence why I look forward to the day they put more importance on their wives.

Here's where my problem lies. For me Shiva and Dev DO get criticised - rightfully so, but I'd like to add that Rishita and Dhara do not get criticised wrongfully. They are mainly bashed for creating that toxic environment for Raavi, another female who has suffered unlike any other. Rishita gets called out for her behaviour regarding her nastiness, her methods and her reasonings behind her outbursts are questioned...and it's usually something nasty towards another female. But alot of what she says people can relate to and they say this too. Dhara gets criticised for being detrimental towards another female, for beating people mercilessly - they're all things to criticise! It's not about fitting in around the family, are they doing things which make us females also uncomfortable. When we see men acting like this it makes us uncomfortable so we call it, are we not able to do the same for the females? We relate so much to these female characters being shown, they're not there to be just 'accepted', whether anyone likes it or not we will criticise them. Same with the males - no one has accepted their behaviour. It was and is being criticised. Would I go as far as to compare them to Janardhan, perhaps not, but I can definitely see how toxic it is.

Another issue I've had, and this is no fault of the person who posted...this post was being used as a method to portray GauRa as the only 'non-toxic' characters and not as a way to call out behaviours of Shiva and Dev. GauRa's abuse were being justified while this wasn't, when it's both that shouldn't have been. It just looks ironic that one case of abuse is being used to justify other characters have also abused others...again no fault of the person posting. But it's hard to ignore.

Should TV stop showing abuse, toxicity to their viewers? Personally as someone who can see it clearly when it's in front of me, I would say no. My issue is when they glorify it. So did they glorify it? When these incidences have taken place, most people bashed it, and rightfully so. I'll say most because there's always a handful who don't. It's been called out as wrong. You could see it as wrong with no excuses! Even the characters of Raavi and Rishita can see it as wrong, even if it's a sentence they'll usually say something back. Hence I would say star plus did not glorify it. Can you say the same for when Dhara and Gaumbi have behaved like this with members of their family? No, it was shown as their 'haq'. Whilst alot of fans called it out, alot fans have gone with the tagline 'a mother has a right to punish you in any way they want because they raised you' and it's disturbing with the amount of people who believe this. Star plus are continuing with this look as well. And that is exactly the difference between the cases - one is being glorified whilst the other isn't.

Why does GauRa even have anything to do with this post? Unfortunately those same people have twisted it and used it for their own benefit, and not as it should have been. Again no fault of the person posting.

This is just my opinion ❤.

Not calling it out may not be glorifying it . Maybe the wrong choice of words here . By not calling it out they are making it seem organic which is worse . Something that u see as over-dramatization will not be adapted by normal folks around who are watching tv but something which isnt dramatized does indeed gets ingested in ones system as normal . For eg - Dhara's beating was called out here in the forum itself as bad , inhuman and horrible . But maybe , i mean here no offence to anyone maybe not be as dangerous to society as is Shiva's and Dev's behaviour towards their wives . I should not compare two wrongs but all i am saying is the way it is portrayed to has an affect on many ppl. Dhara's over drama made it indigestible to many but Dev and Shiva's subtle yet unforgivable acts of grabbing their wives arm or pushing them gets easily digested by audience . Why ? It's because one of it is shown as drama and other as second nature. I am saying its bad the other way around also female to male . But understanding the power of these subtle yet morally wrong scenes is a must.

Originally posted by: mahajanaish

I honestly don't agree with that . It always actually starts with a grab on shoulder or a slight push . I mean this is actually a long debate but the meaning of the post is the same is in context with manhandling their wives . There is no less or more extent to which u hurt someone physically . The underlying meaning is the same . It's a stark reflection on our patriarchal society . That even " well brought up kids" like Dev and Shiva as mentioned in the serial are not hesitating once while doing this . This is shown as their second nature to grab their wives arm . Even so much so that the well behaved baccha dev is also doing this . However obnoxious ones behaviour maybe doesn't give a guy a right to hurt his partner like that and vice versa . I hope you are able to make the right understanding out of it.

i get your point but you are are taking a mile here. patriarchal society and its norms are an issue even today. you have an issue with dev and shiva grabbing an arm and in shiva's case, i even agree that it is not right and he needs to calm down a little when it comes to that but i am not going to extend that same view for Devita. Dev, who we all know is spineless guy with no conviction or any fire within but rishita is no less. she is the root cause here. nothing is working when it comes to her. gautam, dhara and dev have coddled her and literally let her get away with some serious things just to make her feel accepted and loved and she has threw that back in their face as she wants to ruin the peace of the family and wants a drama for entertainment. after every speech of gautam(which btw i loved as that was so on point, sweet and mature), she regretted for 2 seconds and went back to disrespecting everyone. she understands the language of money and likes to put down people. by your logic you should call dhara an abusive guardian too considering how she beat shiva and krish. imagine what must happened since their childhood till now. if this happening now that means they must have gotten slaps, belts and belans thrown at them very often. right? I can raise an issue on that but most people dont see it as she is the female lead and people normalize that saying a mother is just punishing her son. i am not supporting wifebeaters or guys who beat up their partner to take out their frustrations because even you have to see that that is never going to happen, not by any of the brothers. that type is very obvious in their normal routine behavior. here shiva is definitely in need to calm down but dev needs to work on his efforts on controlling rishita ( which i usually am against as i believe in complete autonomy between partners to maintain respect and equality but rishita is something else)by using his head more and come up with a way to deal with that. at this point, even if someone dies for rishita, she is going to complain about how they ruined things for her. so if people want to raise issues like this, include people like dhara and rishita too who are emotionally and verbally abusive respectively.