ELECTION 2013 Discussion Thread - Page 19

Originally posted by: Filza.

what is this even supposed to mean?

Either, he prays with his hands folded or unfolded, who are you to judge which is the correct way? are you God?

That's only Allah's prerogative to judge people and especially their religion.

I will never understand why Muslims are always more concerned about others' faith than their own.

Listen ! I was not even talking about his faith when this topic was brought up about namaz go read previous pages who started first and I saw this picture on the net and posted it , and all of his supporters got offended yeah I only said he is five time namazi . did I even talk about his hand position it was circled soo its conspicuous .its also about the other guy who is praying with his picture on his shirt. people need to stop worshiping other people

Originally posted by: IndefiniteLOVE

Listen ! I was not even talking about his faith when this topic was brought up about namaz go read previous pages who started first and I saw this picture on the net and posted it , and all of his supporters got offended yeah I only said he is five time namazi . did I even talk about his hand position it was circled soo its conspicuous .its also about the other guy who is praying with his picture on his shirt. people need to stop worshiping other people

Siwaye Apne Rab K Kisi Se Umeed Na Rakna , Or Apne Gunah K Siwa Kisi Cheez Say Khouf Mat Khana.
Imam Ali (A.S)

and NOT I am not god there is only one good and that's Allah the almighty !!! I HAVE ALREADY SAID MANY TIMES I AM NOT HERE TO JUDGE THIS IMRAN KHAN . only Allah is enough to judge people

Originally posted by: Amara_B

You said 'leaders should force Islamic rules'.

Its a hadith dear
Saltanat ki waja sy Allah buhut sy burayon ko rook deta hai, jo sirf Quran sy nae ruk sakty thein

u cannot force religion in a single individual
but talking about whole nation is a different story

just take a little example
cut hands of thieves y v dont?

Bol and Khuda k lie were released in cinemas
while there were alot of controversies
music is an individual problem but conveying a message that music is allowed in Islam??? where our those high authorities were who shut youtube for year now on the basis of movie that wa released not in OUR own country even???
y Friday is a working day while saturday sunday are off days
i never knew the importance of this day till few days back. its a huge gift of God for us.
God gifted Friday first to other Prophet's ummah but they refused n choosen the days of their choice i.e sat n sun.
in zia ul haq'a era i guess, an actress was suppose to wear dupatta
y cant v practice it now dear?

Originally posted by: itzMYattitude

Its a hadith dear
Saltanat ki waja sy Allah buhut sy burayon ko rook deta hai, jo sirf Quran sy nae ruk sakty thein

u cannot force religion in a single individual
but talking about whole nation is a different story

just take a little example
cut hands of thieves y v dont?

Bol and Khuda k lie were released in cinemas
while there were alot of controversies
music is an individual problem but conveying a message that music is allowed in Islam??? where our those high authorities were who shut youtube for year now on the basis of movie that wa released not in OUR own country even???
y Friday is a working day while saturday sunday are off days
i never knew the importance of this day till few days back. its a huge gift of God for us.
God gifted Friday first to other Prophet's ummah but they refused n choosen the days of their choice i.e sat n sun.
in zia ul haq'a era i guess, an actress was suppose to wear dupatta
y cant v practice it now dear?

Originally posted by: itzMYattitude

Its a hadith dear
Saltanat ki waja sy Allah buhut sy burayon ko rook deta hai, jo sirf Quran sy nae ruk sakty thein

u cannot force religion in a single individual
but talking about whole nation is a different story

just take a little example
cut hands of thieves y v dont?

Bol and Khuda k lie were released in cinemas
while there were alot of controversies
music is an individual problem but conveying a message that music is allowed in Islam??? where our those high authorities were who shut youtube for year now on the basis of movie that wa released not in OUR own country even???
y Friday is a working day while saturday sunday are off days
i never knew the importance of this day till few days back. its a huge gift of God for us.
God gifted Friday first to other Prophet's ummah but they refused n choosen the days of their choice i.e sat n sun.
in zia ul haq'a era i guess, an actress was suppose to wear dupatta
y cant v practice it now dear?

You shouldn't be randomly quoting Hadith without any knowledge of the context. Ustad Zaynab Ansari, who has spent years studying the Quran and Hadith has talked about this particular Hadith at length, and conclude that the Hadith does not command muslims to forcibly convert non-muslims, or force Islamic rules on non-muslim. Maybe you should read that: https://spa.qibla.com/issue_view.asp?HD=7&ID=9801&CATE=1427.


Second. Why don't we cut the hands of thieves? Again you shouldn't be making such bold statements without any knowledge of how Sharia Law is supposed to be implemented. Punishments like decapitation, capital punishment, etc. are always last resorts; Islam first and foremost teaches forgiveness. If there is a lesser punishment that can be used to teach the criminal a lesson, such as imprisonment, then it should be used, the severe punishments of chopping a thieves hand off should only be used as a last resort if everything else has failed. Even then such a punishment can only be used if the person who the crime was comitted against consents to it. So for isntance if someone stole something from me, I would be given a choice, either he is decapitated or he is forgiven and given a lesser punishment, if I say I do not want him to be decapitated he cannot be decapitated. That is how sharia law works; however more importantly as I said before the Quran teaches forgiveness and decapitation and capital punishments are used as last resorts. There are Hadith to support this; such as the Hadith about the woman who committed zinah and got pregnant. The Prophet (pbuh) did not want to punish her, he (pbuh) kept on telling her to go away every time she came to the Prophet (pbuh) for punishment. Eventually he (pbuh) was forced to punish her because she kept on coming back, but even then he (pbuh) told his companions to be gentle because this woman was pure hearted and Allah surely loves her.

Third, are you trying to comapre the issue of music in Islam with the anti-Islam films made on youtube that insulted the Prophet (pbuh). Correct me if I am wrong but youtube was blocked out because of the anti-Islam films.

Bol and Khuda Ke Liye are not anti-Islam. Now I don't agree with everything shown in Khuda Ke Liye, but that does not mean we should come out with our pitch-forks and demand it be band. Quite frankly those films are non-issues we have much more important things to be worrying about, such as the fact that 60% of the population is living at or below the poverty line.

Friday isn't a holiday because Pakistan is not an Islamic state. I would love Friday to be a holiday, but it's not, because Pakistan is not a theocracy. That's the bottom line. And again, there are more important things to worry about. I don't remember who said this but there is a saying that a Kafir state is better than an unjust state. At the moment we have an unjust state, and that is our major problem that we need to be focusing of fixing; we shouldn't be wasting our time worrying about this movie was banned, but this one wasn't, friday's not a holiday etc. etc.

Again Pakistan is not a theocracy that we are going to force women to wear scarves on their head. Not even Islam forces women to cover their heads, it commands women cover their heads but it does not say if a woman doesn't cover her head she should be forced to. The Prophet (pbuh) did not teach that we should force people to adhere to the rules of Islam, so why are you adamant we should?

All of these acts of worship should contribute to the individual forming a spiritual connection with Allah (swt), and that will not happen if the individual is being forced to commit these acts of worship. Being forced to follow Islam's teachings is completely contradictory to what Islam teaches.

And I'm sorry, but you're ok watching Hindu dramas, and reading fanfics, but you're upset that actresses don't wear a scarf on their head, and that Bol and Khuda Ke Liye were not banned?

It's 6May today

Just saw a car in London, painted in Tehreek-e-insaaf colours, and Imran's face was painted on the front bonnet. I'm gonna try and get a picture of it this week!

My classmate posted this on his FB status
"today a person came to me and asked me if you gve vote to nawaz sharif you would be payed 1000 rs and if you can arrange more then 15 votes you will get funds for 1 year after government come in power"
👎🏼

Originally posted by: -Maha-

My classmate posted this on his FB status
"today a person came to me and asked me if you gve vote to nawaz sharif you would be payed 1000 rs and if you can arrange more then 15 votes you will get funds for 1 year after government come in power"
👎🏼

Originally posted by: Amara_B

You shouldn't be randomly quoting Hadith without any knowledge of the context. Ustad Zaynab Ansari, who has spent years studying the Quran and Hadith has talked about this particular Hadith at length, and conclude that the Hadith does not command muslims to forcibly convert non-muslims, or force Islamic rules on non-muslim. Maybe you should read that: https://spa.qibla.com/issue_view.asp?HD=7&ID=9801&CATE=1427.

one thing it was not about forcing islam in non Muslims
it was about forcing Muslims to practice their religion

about the hadith i mentioned before it was about Muslims
Saltanat ki waja sy Allah buhut sy burayon ko rook deta hai, jo sirf Quran sy nae ruk sakty thein
if u would have paid a little bit of attention here, its written jo Quran sy nae ruk sakty thein
non Muslims never read Quran, Muslims do and they dont practice it
this hadith is about THOSE MUSLIMS

Second. Why don't we cut the hands of thieves? Again you shouldn't be making such bold statements without any knowledge of how Sharia Law is supposed to be implemented. Punishments like decapitation, capital punishment, etc. are always last resorts; Islam first and foremost teaches forgiveness. If there is a lesser punishment that can be used to teach the criminal a lesson, such as imprisonment, then it should be used, the severe punishments of chopping a thieves hand off should only be used as a last resort if everything else has failed.

ok read 2nd ayat of surah noor. Allah has already defined the limits n v r obliged to follow them
about forgiveness i read the tafseer of ayat 38 surah maida again about cutting the hands of thieves from 2 different tafseer books
in one of them its written that tooba sy choori ya kisy or qabil-e-hadd jurm ki saza maaf nae hoty.
in the other one alot of examples are quoted and none of them is about forgiveness
Allah ki hiqmat hy is mein. and one should not feel sorry for them as mentioned in the previous ayat 2, surah noor.
ibn e maja mein hai Hazrat Umer bin Samra (R.A) came to Hazrat Muhammad (S.A.W) and said "Hazrat mujh sy choori ho gae hy, falla qabeely walon ka ount (camel) mein ny choora liya hai. Ap (S.A.W) asked them and they said yeah we lost a camel. Ap (S.A.W) cut his hands
He came to Hazrat Muhammad (S.A.W) becoz he was feeling guilty
obviously otherwise noone was aware that he is the one who took the camel, he lost his hand for this u then think he should be granted forgiveness?
Ibn e jareh mein hai a woman steal some jewelary. People bring her to Hazrat Muhammad (S.A.W) and he cut his hands.
masand hadees mein hai un logo ny kahan hum is ka fidiya deny k lie tayar hein, but S.A.W didn't accepted that and ordered to cut her hands
and here are alot more examples here but none is about granting forgiveness. just read the above mentioned ayats they will help u getting my point
Its also mentioned here
jab imam (leader) k pass koi asa waqaya jis mein had ho puhunch jae to usy chahye hadd ko jary kary
that there is a hadith
aik hadd ka zameen mein qaim hona, zameen walon k lie 40 din ki barish sy behtar hai

Even then such a punishment can only be used if the person who the crime was comitted against consents to it. So for isntance if someone stole something from me, I would be given a choice, either he is decapitated or he is forgiven and given a lesser punishment, if I say I do not want him to be decapitated he cannot be decapitated. That is how sharia law works; however more importantly as I said before the Quran teaches forgiveness and decapitation and capital punishments are used as last resorts. There are Hadith to support this; such as the Hadith about the woman who committed zinah and got pregnant. The Prophet (pbuh) did not want to punish her, he (pbuh) kept on telling her to go away every time she came to the Prophet (pbuh) for punishment. Eventually he (pbuh) was forced to punish her because she kept on coming back, but even then he (pbuh) told his companions to be gentle because this woman was pure hearted and Allah surely loves her.

Third, are you trying to comapre the issue of music in Islam with the anti-Islam films made on youtube that insulted the Prophet (pbuh). Correct me if I am wrong but youtube was blocked out because of the anti-Islam films.

Bol and Khuda Ke Liye are not anti-Islam. Now I don't agree with everything shown in Khuda Ke Liye, but that does not mean we should come out with our pitch-forks and demand it be band. Quite frankly those films are non-issues we have much more important things to be worrying about, such as the fact that 60% of the population is living at or below the poverty line.
yeah agree they kept of saying thinks about Islam that Allah has forbidden and its not the MOST IMPORTANT PROBLEM right now
Allah gives us everything that we want dear
and when someone attack our religion by saying things that Muslims dont preach, we stay at home or move to cinema to praise those movies
and at the end of the day u want to end poverty???
not standing against these things and ask Allah just give us everything that v want

again the poverty is becoz of our own deeds.
a leader is not the only one responsible
majority of the people in Pakistan dont know anything about Zakat n sadqa becoz they are busy in watching these movies that are spreading the message that its ok to listen music and u will get jannat
Its fine to say things about DUA when u dont even pray
"jab khila nae sakty ho to paida kyun karty ho" Its fine to say these things and at the end of the day u say that its ok there are more important issues to deal with
a young man who never bothers to read quran and love to watch movies
instead of making movies that cause awareness about Islam (becoz that's the best medium) u r filling there minds with crap???
at the end of the day we will get electicity, gas, petrol, education but will lose religion completely
not a big lose right atleast we will get what we always wanted to have

Friday isn't a holiday because Pakistan is not an Islamic state. I would love Friday to be a holiday, but it's not, because Pakistan is not a theocracy. That's the bottom line.
i know many people who cant attend jumma's khutba
my family dont recite even surah kahf and pray salat u tasbeeh when they have to attend university
its the one day when every Muslim seems a true Muslim dear
i know many who never pray but never miss friday prayers

And again, there are more important things to worry about. I don't remember who said this but there is a saying that a Kafir state is better than an unjust state. At the moment we have an unjust state, and that is our major problem that we need to be focusing of fixing; we shouldn't be wasting our time worrying about this movie was banned, but this one wasn't, friday's not a holiday etc. etc.
when there were question about practicing islami punishments u were saying about forgiveness then how v r suppose to end injustice?
and when u start changing small things the system started changing
u cannot starts with ending huge troubles
one always starts with small things

Again Pakistan is not a theocracy that we are going to force women to wear scarves on their head. Not even Islam forces women to cover their heads, it commands women cover their heads but it does not say if a woman doesn't cover her head she should be forced to. The Prophet (pbuh) did not teach that we should force people to adhere to the rules of Islam, so why are you adamant we should?
again i mentioned the hadith above do read it again

All of these acts of worship should contribute to the individual forming a spiritual connection with Allah (swt), and that will not happen if the individual is being forced to commit these acts of worship. Being forced to follow Islam's teachings is completely contradictory to what Islam teaches.
againnn i said one is not forcing islam in an individual
its about forcing Islam in a country both are different things
when u will have islmi punishments FOR ALL, do u think its called to force religion??? its not
i dont know y u keep on saying that again n again but first be cool and read things with patience and try to understand them
and then ask if still there's some confusion
Jazak Allah

And I'm sorry, but you're ok watching Hindu dramas, and reading fanfics, but you're upset that actresses don't wear a scarf on their head, and that Bol and Khuda Ke Liye were not banned?
about actress wearing scarf the message i wanna convey it that it depends on the leader
just like in zia ul haq'a era there was a compulsion to cover your heads n actress did

n where i mentioned that i m a saint??? but i know where i m wrong n am trying to change things
when u checked that i read fanfiction u should have given a little attention when was the last time i read any
there was a time when i use to watch time from morning till evening
now m not watching that much
atleaset i know my faults n m working on it