Just some thoughts...

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Posted: 7 years ago
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So I've been watching old episodes randomly and suddenly I got thinking about somethings which I felt like sharing...

Having grown up as a 90s kid and coming from a fairly conservative family there are certain ideas about love and marriage that have been drilled into me... Love has mainly been potrayed in movies n serials as something that happens only once, this cosmic connection that you have with one person...ki uparwala jodiyan bana ke bhejtha hai...n then I guess it's karma that decides how long they get to be with each other and how happy their life is...but the idea of love that I've grown up with is the whole soulmate connection...n it's a highly romantic notion, which feels really special I guess...but as I've grown up watching newer age content i have realised that its probably not so simple. But even then for the longest time I felt like even if people have had many relationships , they all have one true love- their soulmate. Everything before that was just an infatuation/crush...I dunno...that's how I used to explain it.
I also understand that it's not necessary to fall in love before marriage, it can happen afterwards too...maybe that stems out of just living with a person for so long...but in my head it was a romanticized notion...I always thought that 2 people meant for each other will find each other and fall in love. The timing of when that love happens depends on each person's destiny...

but now suddenly I'm trying to wrap my head around the idea that maybe you can love more than once...that you can fall out of love...and that even if you have a true soulmate vala love for someone it may not get reciprocated...and that thought disturbs me honestly...it shakes this idealistic concept of love and marriage that I had built up in my head...

And it struck me suddenly when I started analyzing things from nk. I know it's a show and not meant to ponder over...n a lot of stuff they do is for trp...but as I sat watching old episodes I felt like Neil was deeply in love with juhi. She died and he mourned her for 5 years...he felt her presence whenever it rained...and in an earlier episode when he saw avni in danger he called her juhi because it triggered his memories from the time he saw her in an accident...
But then as he saw avni he started to care for her and then fell in love with her...was that only because he spent a lot of time with her? Or did he decide to move on because there was no juhi in the picture...We were given to believe that they both felt for each other from their first meeting but they took time to acknowledge it n things happened in a way that they would end up together because they were soulmates.


Eventually when juhi came back he was guilty, but he seemed very clear that he no longer felt that way about her like he used to. He has given avni the place of his life partner...but is it really possible to fall out of love like that...did he really love avni or was he convincing himself because they were married and he had been giving her clear signals that he wanted to take their relationship forward and he didn't want to look back in life...NeilS funda was to live in the present, n look ahead. To forget the past...so was he simply trying to forget juhi to love upto his funda...

As a philosophy this whole don't live in the past sounds nice but is it so simple? Because it occurred to me that juhi wasn't just an ex gf...she was someone that Neil WANTED to marry...unlike avni who ended up as his wife because neelama pulled some stunt...
Don't get me wrong..this is not in defense of juhi. I still like only avni with Neil not juhi. But watching the old episodes I feel like basically Neil loved juhi, then fell out of love with her too...
But the idea that it's possible to fall out of love, to feel the same emotions for more than one person...that is something I'm not fully comfortable with...I'm not saying it's wrong but then suddenly as I sat thinking about these issues I realised that the real world is not black n white...it's multiple shades of grey and that these notions of love and marriage that have been fed to us and based on which I had built up these idealistic ,romantic notions are probably not real...but what bothers me more is that i LIKE these over-romanticized notions...the soulmate/forever kinda love/Jodi's made in heaven n all... especially coz I just realized that I had subconsciously bought into the idea so much...I have never had a boyfriend, I have not been in love...I've had crushes n all of course but never any actual relationship...neither have I been approached nor have I approached anyone...n I always told myself it's cool because someday I'll find "the one" but now after thinking about all this more deeply I realize that perhaps it was a little silly...maybe I should be more brave n open...maybe i should have had the courage to ask out people I felt were nice n interesting n seen how things panned out... have i lost out on experiences because of my overly idealistic perception of love n relationships? I don't know...I would like to believe that I have not but I am not so sure...

Ok I've rambled too much. Dunno if it made any sense but felt like putting my thoughts down so I have...It's probably not too coherent...but i am hoping you guys will get what I wanted to say anyway!

I am sure the forum has different kinds of people ...single/committed/married...people like me who have never been in a relationship and others who have been in more than one...I'd love to hear your opinions and experiences...


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Posted: 7 years ago
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I always had a doubt about Neil's entry scene that whether he was remembering Juhi or just welcoming rain. In that scene I don't remember him mentioning anything directly about Juhi. When he said "Maine tumhari waali coffee banana sheekh ki" I thought by that he meant , the type of coffee which can be relished in rain. "Aise hi mujhse Milne aaya karo" he was wishing for the rain to occur frequently. They never showed any relation between rain and Juhi or Juhi making coffee for Neil in any of the fbs. Then why it is assumed that Neil was remembering Juhi in his entry scene😕
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Posted: 7 years ago
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No in FBs it was shown that Neil used to run for cover in the rsin but juhi liked to get wet
N he started liking rains because Juhi liked it...she liked to drink coffee in the rain so he drank coffee too, he went out to enjoy the shower because Juhi would have done so...or atleast that's how I remember it...
When he says Maine tumhaare waali coffee banana seekh li...it's a direct address to her. Otherwise he could have simply said, maine acchi coffee banana seekh li! Tumhaare waali means he's talking to someone. Why would he talk to the rain like that? If he wanted to talk to the rain...he would have said something else na...
He was shown fighting his feelings for Avni because he believed he loved Juhi only...there was a shower scene in which he slams the wall in frustration.
After her death he sat n home n cried and then it was Shweta who asked him to move on...n he decided to become a police officer also because of what happened with Juhi. Because as a lay man he couldn't catch the guys who supposedly hit her n ran...
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Actually one can fall in love over and over again with different people at different phases of life. But the thing that would be different is the 1st time you fall in love will a different experience no matter how that relationship ends up. Those sparks, vibes, those dreamy feels you end up feeling for the very 1st time you realise you are in love is something one would never feel on the other occasions😊


By the time we fall out of love from the 1st one and is in love with the next person, we become more practical I guess. Like you love the person but those dreamy feels, sparks are less compared to the 1st and you are more into admiring and respecting this love which gives this love a different angle.

Probably this is what happened with Neil and Avni was always an aag which made Neil fall more for her😊


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Posted: 7 years ago
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Neil loved Juhi but his love was not strong enough to love her forever. He didn't even mourned for once when she died in real not because she turned a villian. Even if he did love her he should have some soft corner but he never had that since she came! He was guilty cause she was stuck in Rangmehel for years not because he moved on. Neil actually moved on before Avni came to his life. He agreed to marry another girl & give his life a chance. While in matter of Avni, he didn't want to move on at all...not even marry another girl!
Neil's love for Juhi was just a love during his young life which wasn't that powerful to hold forever . Your question if Avni wasnt married to Neil & Juhi came back would he still choose Avni?!
Yes he would cause he loved her like he loved no one else not even Juhi!
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: darsh333

Actually one can fall in love over and over again with different people at different phases of life. But the thing that would be different is the 1st time you fall in love will a different experience no matter how that relationship ends up. Those sparks, vibes, those dreamy feels you end up feeling for the very 1st time you realise you are in love is something one would never feel on the other occasions😊



By the time we fall out of love from the 1st one and is in love with the next person, we become more practical I guess. Like you love the person but those dreamy feels, sparks are less compared to the 1st and you are more into admiring and respecting this love which gives this love a different angle.

Probably this is what happened with Neil and Avni was always an aag which made Neil fall more for her😊

Hmm...but that's what I am trying to really come to terms with. The fact that people can fall OUT of love...that you can experience the same emotion for more than one person. And the person you end up with is not necessarily your first love like in avni n Neil's case...shakes up this soulmates funda, and made in heaven Jodi philpsophy...i understand that it happens but I don't think I like the idea so much n i don't know why I don't like it...I guess I got too attuned to the overly romantic idea of everybody having only one other person who is their lover and life partner. Is first love the only true love then? Is it diluted as an emotion when it gets more practical n less dreamy or is it more real that way?
I Ask myself if I'd be ok with not being the one n only for someone...if tomm I got married to a guy who's been in love before will I like the idea that he has felt emotions for someone else Before me...or is it unwarranted to think about that when he has taken a conscious decision to not be with that person but to move on...
Why do people move on? Is it just that they havent made enough effort to sort out problems or can people in love have differences that cannot be worked out despite full effort to do so?
People who have arranged marriages may end up falling in love eventually...but is that forced? Does that make it any less? But if you get married n then fall in love with someone else...isn't that extremely sad...almost cruel...coz for me marriage is like this forever commitment. But then I also l know it's not practical...Would I want some one to stay with me just out of obligation n not love...
I know that there are no right or wrongs in these scenarios...but I had a realization that despite knowing these things deep down I hadn't really thought it through until recently...and in my head I have always liked the idealistic notion of having this one person who's meant to be your spouse, your love and your partner...but now it's hitting me that real life doesn't quite work like that! And it's like a bubble has burst and it makes me a bit sad honestly...


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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: flora212

Neil loved Juhi but his love was not strong enough to love her forever. He didn't even mourned for once when she died in real not because she turned a villian. Even if he did love her he should have some soft corner but he never had that since she came! He was guilty cause she was stuck in Rangmehel for years not because he moved on. Neil actually moved on before Avni came to his life. He agreed to marry another girl & give his life a chance. While in matter of Avni, he didn't want to move on at all...not even marry another girl!

Neil's love for Juhi was just a love during his young life which wasn't that powerful to hold forever . Your question if Avni wasnt married to Neil & Juhi came back would he still choose Avni?!
Yes he would cause he loved her like he loved no one else not even Juhi!


I see what you're saying...but he didn't want to move on from juhi either.
He agreed to marry Rhea as a obligation to his parents pressure not out of love. He said so himself when avni asked him if he loved Rhea. He also said that Pyaar aise thodi na hojaatahai...n even when he saw her real face in those times, he didn't call off the relationship because he felt obliged to be with her since he had made a promise. Finally on the wedding day only he decided to go ahead with the wedding but with a fake pandit...n he was hoping that Rhea would understand.
But yes, he realized that he was truly moving on from juhi when avni came in the pic because he couldn't stop himself from caring for her more than he should...he was fighting his feelings for the longest time himself...
I agree that the love he felt for avni was more than that for juhi..
thats Why he was clear that he wanted avni even after juhi came back. but then that's what makes me a bit uncomfortable also..the idea that people fall in love more than once...I know it's perfectly ok but I guess it suddenly hit me only recently...

So it got me thinking on a lot of what ifs.
If juhi hadn't died they would have been married...if Neil had met avni after that, would he have left juhi for her...would he still fall in love with avni then?

The idea that someone finds love outside marriage disturbs me...but at the same time it is cruel n sad if 2 people are together out of obligation n not love na...

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Posted: 7 years ago
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firstly I wud lyk to say u portrayed ur emotions really well..😛..nd scndly cmng to ur belief people always say dat its upon destiny how lng ur relationship will last..it cn hppn dat ur childhood crush bcms ur life partner frevr..or may b d relationship dt last really long cn also lead to brkups..it dpnds upon d circumstances surrounding it..brkups alwz doesn't mean dt u we're not in love nd dt ws jst a infatuation..it cn also hv other reasns..anothr thing is d maturity..may b smone strtd their relationship in a really young age nd ws nt mature enough to judge d pros nd cons..later whn tym goes u realize dat d othr one is nt fr u..nd dat is vry natural..dt doesn't mean dat it ws nt luv..
coming to neils case he truely luved juhi..he didn't hv a brkup..his fiancee ws dead..it ws a nightmare fr him nd so ws hrd to.mv on..but whn avni cm it ws shown as destiny..dat soulmt connctn..evnn it ws shwn dat juhi giving avnis hnd to neil..neil without evn realizing strtd feeling fr her frm d vry beginning..nd day by day dt increasd..so whn juhi cm bk he ws already ovr her nd jst cannot feel d same feeling he used to hv bfr fr hr..
jst wnt to say dat luv is a feeling..it cn hppn anytime..but whn it comes to commitmnt in a relationship things chnges..nd they r bound to chng
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: neeraja91


I see what you're saying...but he didn't want to move on from juhi either.
He agreed to marry Rhea as a obligation to his parents pressure not out of love. He said so himself when avni asked him if he loved Rhea. He also said that Pyaar aise thodi na hojaatahai...n even when he saw her real face in those times, he didn't call off the relationship because he felt obliged to be with her since he had made a promise. Finally on the wedding day only he decided to go ahead with the wedding but with a fake pandit...n he was hoping that Rhea would understand.
But yes, he realized that he was truly moving on from juhi when avni came in the pic because he couldn't stop himself from caring for her more than he should...he was fighting his feelings for the longest time himself...
I agree that the love he felt for avni was more than that for juhi..
thats Why he was clear that he wanted avni even after juhi came back. but then that's what makes me a bit uncomfortable also..the idea that people fall in love more than once...I know it's perfectly ok but I guess it suddenly hit me only recently...

So it got me thinking on a lot of what ifs.
If juhi hadn't died they would have been married...if Neil had met avni after that, would he have left juhi for her...would he still fall in love with avni then?

The idea that someone finds love outside marriage disturbs me...but at the same time it is cruel n sad if 2 people are together out of obligation n not love na...

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no he has decided to give his life chance and move on but yes he wasnt in love with rhea. On second thought he thought he cant love anyone else rather than Juhi but he had already fallen for Avni on first sight but realisation came much later. yes he admitted later he moved on when Avni came. but the truth was he moved on long back. He didn't want to live with Juhi memories . He agreed to his parents decision cause he thought to give his life chance. Even if out of obligation he married Rhea...he could have lead his life but he would have never fall for her if Avni hadn't come in his life. Cause since Avni came...wether he knew he was in love or not he did everything for Avni! That is why he decided to do the fake marraige drama. if you see on other hand...out of obligation he was going to marry Mitali too cause Avni told him he can't back out. he accepted it as a punishment for not trusting Avni! And just look at him he wasnt able to take a step ahead to take pheras cause even in this case if he married Mitali . He could have never be able to give the place or the rights to Mitali no matter what. So you see the difference ! In actual Sense Neil loved Avni from every beat of his heart, soul & body. While with juhi it was just Love
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Posted: 7 years ago
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@roshni
Agree with you.
Also With juhi Neil did feel guilty...because he realized that he had given her a commitment too in the past and after she came back he realized that he couldn't fulfil his promise to her because he couldn't leave avni. He had truly come to feel for her n moved on. I really liked that scene with bebe where she says that he should just be honest because it came down to who he wanted to spend the rest of his life with. At that point honestly if he had chosen juhi n not avni he wouldn't have been wrong...avni herself was almost expecting it to happen. And i am glad that it didn't go like that. N that he picked avni over juhi because based on what they showed us of avni n juhi as characters I definitely liked avni more!
But the larger point is that - is love not permanent then, is it only a fleeting emotion, the duration of which is extremely variable? Then why have a separate word called love...it should just be "like"...why have this superlative degree that gives a semblance of something that's forever n permanent when in reality it's not the case...or is it that only some people are lucky enough to get that kind of forever , soulmate wala love n everybody else just doesn't get it. They think they are in love but in reality they are just experiencing a variable degree of affection joh aaj X ke liye hai, Kal Y ke liye hai aur kisi aur din Z ke liye bhi hosakta hai.

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