Episode Discussion Thread: 25th December - 29th December 2017 - Page 2

Originally posted by: Azalea.

A bit of a filler episode, but enjoyed it nonetheless!

It seems a lot of people have an issue with the progression of the story (namely on social media!); I must therefore be in the minority, because I'm thoroughly enjoying myself 😆

I wish the writers would delve into the depths of both Neil and Avni's characters. Neil's decision to keep Avni behind bars for her own safety may not have been the best one, but it was the only option he felt he had at that time. If we view things for his perspective, he had many reasons for taking the step he did: Avni's impulsiveness combined with her emotional and mental vulnerability at that point in time, could have led her to making some poor decisions. But the psychological and emotional impact of this on Avni cannot be neglected.

Those emotional wounds he helped to heal have now reopened, as a result of this decision. I want him to think about things from Avni's perspective: the helplessness, anger, disappointment and pain she must felt being locked up for months for a crime she didn't commit, with no contact from her loved ones; the emotional and mental scars that have been left from being labelled as a 'criminal' again, and that too from Neil.

Having said that, Avni's emotions are clouding her judgements. I would have hoped that over the course of the 6 months in jail, she would have had time to reflect and perhaps attempt to understand whether Neil had a reason behind putting her in this position. I did not agree with how quickly she doubted his love for her when she was being arrested, but I do understand how fragile how frame of mind was at that point. I find it difficult to accept that she hasn't once questioned whether Neil had any ulterior motives.

Now that they are both spending time in each other's presence, hopefully they will try and see things from different angles.

The extent of Vidyut's obsession was highlighted today; the photos (some of photos were from Aditi's personal instagram page na?! 😆) and the addition of the 'A' to his tattoo. Karam breathes life into the character, conveying that obsession so perfectly. I have all these scenarios playing in my head of Avni and Vidyut's meeting, and her reaction upon learning of the latter's feelings towards her.

I feel like Ali is being underused again in this track; I'd quite like to see Ali and DD getting more screen time!

iam totally agree with u. Cvs need to show back story of neil. I loved today episode. Its well paced. Its not look like dragging. I felt bad for avni in precap. Poor girl she got tears. Hope soon she break out from this jail. Neil and vidyuth scene was bang on. I loved neil possessive nature. And his dialogue about avni is not a toy to hand over to him. Waiting for next episode.

Originally posted by: Azalea.

A bit of a filler episode, but enjoyed it nonetheless!

It seems a lot of people have an issue with the progression of the story (namely on social media!); I must therefore be in the minority, because I'm thoroughly enjoying myself 😆

I wish the writers would delve into the depths of both Neil and Avni's characters. Neil's decision to keep Avni behind bars for her own safety may not have been the best one, but it was the only option he felt he had at that time. If we view things for his perspective, he had many reasons for taking the step he did: Avni's impulsiveness combined with her emotional and mental vulnerability at that point in time, could have led her to making some poor decisions. But the psychological and emotional impact of this on Avni cannot be neglected.

Those emotional wounds he helped to heal have now reopened, as a result of this decision. I want him to think about things from Avni's perspective: the helplessness, anger, disappointment and pain she must felt being locked up for months for a crime she didn't commit, with no contact from her loved ones; the emotional and mental scars that have been left from being labelled as a 'criminal' again, and that too from Neil.

Having said that, Avni's emotions are clouding her judgements. I would have hoped that over the course of the 6 months in jail, she would have had time to reflect and perhaps attempt to understand whether Neil had a reason behind putting her in this position. I did not agree with how quickly she doubted his love for her when she was being arrested, but I do understand how fragile how frame of mind was at that point. I find it difficult to accept that she hasn't once questioned whether Neil had any ulterior motives.

Now that they are both spending time in each other's presence, hopefully they will try and see things from different angles.

The extent of Vidyut's obsession was highlighted today; the photos (some of photos were from Aditi's personal instagram page na?! 😆) and the addition of the 'A' to his tattoo. Karam breathes life into the character, conveying that obsession so perfectly. I have all these scenarios playing in my head of Avni and Vidyut's meeting, and her reaction upon learning of the latter's feelings towards her.

I feel like Ali is being underused again in this track; I'd quite like to see Ali and DD getting more screen time!

Im slightly frustrated at this week's episodes, felt like things didn't progress enough

I honestly can connect to both. I can see where both come from clearly.

Unless we put ourselves in each one's shoes we will never be able to understand, we will mainly see it from an emotional angle as in what touched us most. Feelings are very poweful and though we try to use logic also, our feelings have that power to make us find explanations for not so logical things or judge severly according to the type of feelings we have.

I guess I reached a point where I can understand both of them based on many combined things, I also used sometimes to be mainly seeing things from few angles only despite trying to see things from all angles, now that I considered things and tried to put myself really in their shoes, to try to feel what they felt, how they reasoned based on their personalities, on circumstances, on what they were facing, I see no problem in their characterizations, actually they are very much in character.


I don't feel like justifying anything, because things are a matter of perception and not everything can be voiced out not when you are focusing on what u think is a priority at that moment, it does't mean u don't feel other things but you don't address them then, this goes for both Neil and Avni. I completely understand them, they have serious things at hand now that are occupying their thoughts and that they are dealing with as a matter of urgence.

I also feel things will unfold gradually, and we will get more insight into situations and feelings, it's a story and it has to be told gradually, we can't get all the answers we want in few episodes."

I actually see Neil's POV, yes he should have told Avni the truth but his reasons for not telling her are also justifiable. Think about it, Neil knows Avni better than anyone and knows she won't spare Vidyut so if she were to cross a line of no return how would he be able to protect her? Neil knows asking Avni to promise not to do something wrong is like talking to a wall, she is impulsive and she is driven by getting justice. Avni is a woman who has already been framed do you really think she would take it lightly that Vidyut wanted Neil to hand her over in exchange for her freedom? Neil chose to have Avni hate him and he knows that Avni does not trust him but he believes whatever he is doing is in Avni's best interests, this in his mind is what is keeping Avni safe. Neela must have the same thoughts otherwise she would have never supported Neil. Neela and Neil both know Avni well and these are the two who have always looked out for her.

I feel for Avni and of course I sympathize with her more because she did not deserve any of this but I don't hate Neil or Neela for whatever they are doing because I know they are two characters who love Avni the most. One thing you have to respect about the CVs is how they have kept Neil and Avni's love intact, she could have despised him but instead she still loves him. The only thing that hurts Avni is the fact Neil did not believe in her but their dialogues about how they would always love each other stays true to how they are behaving now.


About Ali I actually feel he is being used correctly in this track, hope to see more of DD too, The ones who are completely missing are the Khannas! I really hope that changes in the coming week, at least give us on scene so we know what they have been upto and how strained their relationship with Neil is.

Vidyut, he is a strong villain who has not been easy to take down but we always knew it would be a challenge and I welcome it! I love Karam in this role and now that Vidyut has become obsessed with Avni in more ways than one it opens more doors for potential, I want to see how AvNeil deal with his obsessive side.

Yay...EDT is back! I have no time right now, but will be back here later when I do have a bit of downtime to discuss the show! Finally, we have something to talk about again!

@.IamShonali.

What a great response!

Vidyut's obsession has turned into an addiction; he is, in a literal sense, addicted to the idea of 'obtaining' Avni and making her his own. The numerous photos plastered on his walls and the longing stares are beyond creepy - beautifully enacted by Karam. This final scene served to highlight how helpless Neil had become in the moments leading up to Avni's arrest, and the urgency with which he made that decision. Vidyut's obsession coupled with Avni's impulsiveness and mental vulnerability at that time, who knows what would have happened to Avni.

Its more like saying to protect her from the worst situation, he left her in other worst situation, which maybe with time is repairable?

This is such a beautiful interpretation, and definitely not one I had thought about. What I understood with respect his reasons for not telling Avni the truth was that he wanted to intentionally create a distance between them; perhaps he thought that if Avni focused all of her energy and time into 'hating' and being upset with the events that had transpired, it would divert her attention away from Vidyut and her intentions to seek revenge.

And agreed! I'm not taking any sides either; there is no way this can be seen through a black and white perspective. They're both right in their own way!

@arshisfan/Naj

Thank you for the reply! This feels like old times again!

I'm sorry if my post earlier seemed like I was attacking the characterisations of Neil and Avni; that was not my intention at all. I must admit, I've only recently started watching the show again and I guess I'm getting a little too excited and impatient in equal measure. The comment I made about wishing the writers would delve into the characterisation more is something I've been saying since I started the EDTs a few months ago 😆

The bottom line is that both Avni and Neil are right in their own way. I remember seeing a picture once online of two people standing opposite each other with a number on the ground between them; to one person the number looks like a 9 but the other person, it looks like a 6. And none of them are incorrect; it's a simply matter of perception. Now by extension, neither Avni nor Neil are incorrect in what they are feeling, thinking and doing.

I guess I was being a bit hasty in commenting on what I had expected to see from Neil and Avni's characters. You're completely right - at this point in time, their priorities lie elsewhere. For Neil, his focus is on protecting Avni and ensuring her plans to escape fail; for Avni, her purpose is Vidyut's destruction. Having re-read my post from earlier with a fresh mind, I can see things from yet another angle; one could argue that Avni is intentionally suppressing thoughts and feelings towards Neil - she is not allowing herself to think about the why, how, what, when, because it will lead her astray from her goal. Neil is both her strength and weakness.

@.Mandy.

Can I just start by saying how much I enjoy reading your daily highlights? Although I am guilty of not commenting! I did stop watching NK for a little while, but I regularly came on the forum to read your posts; thank you for being such a positive force, and for always being so open minded about everything!

Neil is very aware of Avni's nature, and what she is capable of doing. You're right: had she have known about Vidyut's evil intentions prior to her arrest, she would have acted impulsively. That's one of the many reasons why Neil and Avni work so well together - they balance each other so well. Intention is also something that is often massively overlooked; the drastic steps Neil took were not for his own pleasure, but to ensure his wife's safety from the hands of the extremely powerful and conniving Vidyut. In the same way, Avni is allowed to be upset and disappointed, but as some are arguing, her intention should NOT be to 'hate' Neil as fans are arguing she should! They are part of the SAME TEAM.

I'm glad there is none of the cliched 'I hate you' track playing out. Avni's sadness, anger and jealousy are all justifiable emotions because she LOVES NEIL and always will! Her feelings towards Neil are not controlled by some switch she can turn on and off whenever she pleases!

I second you on that - looking forward to seeing how Neil's relationship with the other family members have been impacted! I loved your take on the significance of Neo's character!

@Azalea


Hi dear, missed u here

Why are u being apologetic?!!!, you don't need to, and u should not, there is nothing wrong with your previous post, and your post didn't seem like you are attacking characterizations , you were expressing your feelings and logical thoughts just like others do.

I see where other fans are coming from, their logical and emotional arguments, but things still make sense to me characterization wise, I ignore some dramatic cliched things and some other things that can come under creative liberty but I understand why the characters behave the way they do, I still see Neil and Avni the way I've known them before.

^ That explains why the EDTs went missing for some time! You bring up a valid point about another reason why Neil went to the extremes to protect Avni, this is not a case of another villain wanting to harm Avni this is one who wants to gain her. Vidyut told Ballu in the episode of the leap that he wants to control Avni, he desires her. We are seeing the extent of Vidyut's obsession which gives Neil justification for wanting to keep Avni out of his reach. No husband would tolerate seeing another man lust for their wife, objectifying her. Avni has been preparing for how she will handle Vidyut once they come face to face but little does she know that this is not about enmity anymore, it is about obsession.

Thankfully the CVs have tried their best not to make a mockery out of the love AvNeil have for each other even with the MU and feelings of betrayal from Avni's side her love still exists. Also I am glad Neil is understanding Avni's POV instead of being self righteous, he is well aware of the pain he caused her.

We need the Khannas!! It doesn't look like anyone from the Khannas have been shooting of late, Shruti did reunite with Nilu and Sayantani over the holidays but other than that no pics from sets. I am missing them.

I honestly expected the Khannas to visit Avni and support her! I don't know why they didn't show that! Will they show that they did during the last 6months?! I guess we will have to wait to see.