Is Juhi lying or in denial?

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Posted: 7 years ago
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I have been thinking on this baby daddy debate of Neil and Vidyut. Who is the Father of this kid? I think we are all zoning in on Vidyut being the Father. There is clearly a lot of angst in Vidyut, and that sculpture took things to the next level. He has anger issues and hatred towards women. It feels like he has been disappointed and betrayed by a woman in the past which has made him bitter. There has to be a reason why he is the way he is.

There is a lot more to the Juhi-Vidyut back story from what I understand. I wonder if they knew each other before her accident, and not after? Was he in love with her, and wanted to "attain her in any way? I always wondered if he had seen her somewhere while she was dating Neil and become obsessed with her. The accident was his idea, and the fake death? Or is it more than this? They actually had a relationship in the past, then they met again by chance and he found out about Neil and wanted revenge? In a moment of rage he forces himself on her? This results in the pregnancy. Then the accident, and her fake death which enables him and his Mother to hide her. He blames her for what he did, and hates her for making him fall in his own estimation. He keeps Mishti as a reminder of his failure? Or because he can't make himself part with his child who is also Juhi's? Does he still love her, if he ever did? This is all very Psyche 101 here! Vidyut is the key to this whole mystery, and until we hear his side of the story we won't know the truth.

Coming to Juhi, is she pretending to herself this child is Neil's? The night they got engaged they had a lot of champagne? She thinks something happened, and after her "encounter with Vidyut when she found out she was pregnant, she pretended to herself that the child was Neil's? It enabled her to continue to live in RM, and tolerate everything with the hope of being reunited with her child and maybe even Neil? She did not want to accept that maybe Vidyut is the Father of her child? Most likely is? I think THIS may be what is going on? She told Neil that she got pregnant on their engagement night, and he accepted what she said because he had no way of "refuting it. It's not gentlemanly to question a woman when she says you had sex with her and she got pregnant as a result. We know Neil would NEVER call Juhi a liar and deny he is the Father. This is why we love Neil so much in the first place.

If Juhi is indeed not a negative character, then the thing that makes most sense is that as a way of coping with her trauma she has told herself this story of how Neil is the Father of her child. Because she does not have the strength to face the truth or the actual reality of situation. The alternative is not tolerable to her. She has spent years in a captivity situation where her life's choices have been taken from her. If she has developed some sort of psychosis to deal with her reality, it's understandable. Also having her child taken from her soon after she was born would have caused her to go into depression. I feel her mental state is not sound or stable, and she needs some serious intervention. This track could be really good if they handle this issue in the right way.

These are some of my thoughts after the last few episodes. I would love to know your thoughts.

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Mandy The Banker (This is to distinguish me from the other Mady The Moderator). :)

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Posted: 7 years ago
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Why do i feel juhi has been cheating neil while she was in a relationship ..
may b juhi and vidyut wer in love ...and juhi would have found neil ..neil was richer than vidyut ...juhi would have left vidyut for neil ...
vidyut would have seen neil and juhi tgtr ...confronted her ..and then a fake accident ...may b ...
*sounds more like a typical track*


but then going by poonam s IV ..she claims she is a +ve character ...then the only possibility is vidyut would have forced himself on juhi ...or juhi has some psychiatric issue ...as constantly doctors wer saying she needs a psychiatrist to come out of trauma ..
Edited by nandu_nan - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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When that "spoiler" article came out about Juhi being raped I thought maybe that is why she has convinced herself this is Neil's child but then I saw her reaction in the past two episodes that aired this week and it was clear she was hiding something. Poonam may not be the best actress but I feel she did convey the guilt her character is conveying, she is aware that she has not been honest with Neil and his family and the question is why? If she were raped why not tell Neil the truth? It is not like Neil would back out from helping her, he would sympathize with her and help her reunite with her child.

Then you have Neil, lets just say whatever he told Neela is right then why the act? Why is he purposely misleading his family and Juhi as well? Neil seems to purposely be telling Juhi things she would want to hear, why do that when you know her mental state of mind? There are things that are not adding up here especially when you factor in Vidyut, why is this child so important to him? I doubt he would be keeping Mishti just to spite Juhi nor would he be keeping a memory of her betrayal with another man had this really been Neil's child. Vidyut does not even correct Avni whenever she refers to Mishti as his child, even the housekeeper is under the belief this is Vidyut's child so yes there is more to the story than we know.


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Posted: 7 years ago
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Going by the theory if Neil is the father why should Juhi beg or at least I felt she was . Didn't she beg him to find her child when she revealed him the truth ? Time and again I would say there was no sync between the muted and unmuted audio of Juhi's conversation with Neil or at least it seemed so to me . If he is indeed father of the child why should she be guilty or what should she be guilty for in front of family ? Whenever she says it's hers and Neil's we can see her guilty . Secondly , whenever Neil mentions Avni we can see her jealous . With Neil egging her hopes she has started craving more for him . Is it not ? If it's Neil's child then why would Vidyut have it ? And if it's the case is Juhi fooling Vidyut that it's his child . Without a strong past connection neither Vidyut would have retained the child nor Juhi would have been the Kohinoor . She was never sold too . Also why should Neil mislead the family ESP Neela .
Going by second theory , after revealing the truth Neil must have said her to say that it was their child which is why she is seen guilty every time she mentions the child as Neil ki nishani . Vidyut must have been obsessed with her and tried to win her through hook and crook . One fine he must have spotted her with Neil and forced him on her due to the rage and RP would have staged the accident and kidnapped her giving away the child to Vidyut . We even saw RP saying it's only him who can control her . Vidyut has kept the child as he can't stay away from it which is also a symbol of his love .

My only question is does she really suffer from PTSD ? Her slitting her wrists does rise suspicion . She very well knew AvNeil are doing their best to save the kid then why suddenly cut your wrists Knowing that it was their anniversary day and blame her mental state .

We can understand that Neil's pretense is to find why her death was staged and what is her connection with RP . I'm confused whom is he doubting . Is it Juhi or he is extra cautious as they are being watched ?
Edited by AgnesFan - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Vidhyut and juhi is definitely having some past connection...vidhyut is a negative character not a selfless man or mahaan to accept Mishti as his daughter in front of the world if the kid is actually Neil's.. We need wait and watch wat their actual story is..Rite now it seems like Vidhyut have more valid reason to have such bitterness and hatred for women in his life ...more possibilities for juhi to ditch him for Neil ..vidhyut definitely have love and care for his daughter...or else it might be a one side love frm vidhyut for juhi and since he is a villain he might forced himself on juhi which leads to her pregnancy ..If thts the case then why he feels tht women are not trust worthy and not worth for a relationship ??
If Neil believes wat ever juhi said then why can't he question her when he don't remember anything abt tht night...after all he has the rights to know wat happened btw thm...it's not tht he doubts juhi nor it will against his gentlemanliness ..what if juhi lied to him ,wen a person like Ali goes completely out of character to get his love back then why can't juhi ...even a matured person like Neela asked Neil abt his intimacy level with juhi and asked a logic question why they don't talk abt it after tht night ..even swetha has tht doubt abt juhi maybe knowing Neil very well made thm to think so ...I really wanted Neil to have second taughts in this after all his love and married life is under threat..juhi can lie too or might have any majboori to lie ...His blind trust is a matter of concern after all juhi a normal human being not Avni..she had gone through so much in past yrs she might taught she want Neil and her normal life at any cost..
If Neil already knows juhi is lying since she is having some mental trauma ..why should he hide tht family members unless they have some life threat..I looks like Avni too believes tht the kid was Neil's..no matter how much selfless she is no women will pleased to hear tht her husband is having kid out of wedlock ..it will pain her so much ..just to make juhi believe tht he is believing on her lie he is giving such an emotional torture to his family ,Avni and himself too..
This secret mission is giving more headache day by day ..I hope they reveal it soon ..so tht we can have relief and we can make sense with Avneil's action and words..
Edited by sudha_suressh - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Honestly speaking I don't want cvs to concentrate on the complications of Juhi's mental state and how she will cope with it as she is not the female lead, already enough episodes have been wasted on her. Just make her negative, show that she cheated Vidyut and is now playing with emotions of Avneil and their family and show her the exit door from AvNeil's life. If she stays positive and is shown as victim then AvNeil will have to carry her burden till she dies or till the show ends. One of the lead's ex hovering on AvNeil's relationship with a sympathy card will not let us enjoy AvNeil's story.
Edited by -DragonFire- - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Whether Juhi is Mishti's biological mother or not , I don't think Mishti with agree to stay with Juhi.
Who will want a person like Juhi's company after he/she has tasted Avni's company. Mishti was so scared that she refused to talk to anybody in the whole house when Avni in just two days managed to come close to Mishti. Avni's magic worked on Mishti like it worked on others.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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If you cut off all the spoilers, Juhi comes across as a meek and weak person who has no willpower or courage. Starting from the beginning, she always relied on someone else to help her (maybe because of majboori, whatever). After the RM rescue, she has created this 'bachao bachi' drama and is literally clinging to Neil to rescue her baby. There can only be few possibilities.

1. Juhi is telling the truth. it's a love child of Juhi and Neil - Least possible cause no drama element and no scope for any revelation. Least possible.

2. Juhi is telling half truth. Kid is of Juhi and Vidhyut. She is fooling Neil to take his help - Predictable twist and good drama value. CVs will get a reason to keep Vidhyuth in the picture as the father of the kid. Highly possible.

3. Juhi is fully lying (knowingly or unknowingly) - RP might have fooled her into believing that Mishti is her kid and her kid might have actually died or something. Mishtthi is Vidhyuth and his dead wife's daughter. Least possible because then there is no way Avneil can claim mishti and take her back home. Not Possible.

I can't think of any other possibilities. I don't think Juhi lying would be called denial. She could be telling that to get Neils help to rescue her daughter so in her eyes she is justified. and she stays a positive character. And I genuinely doesn't seem like she is interested in coming back to Neil's life.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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@Dragon:

While I accept making her "Negative" would solve some problems, I personally don't think that is the way to handle this track! NK has always done something different and I want them to do the same here too. Like how they handled the Ali jealousy track. It was to be expected that he would be jealous and angry at the turn of events. He waited for Avni for 15 years and then Neil just whizzed in and she became his. Especially considering how they got married Ali had even bigger issues. But we saw that track play out and in the end the "Best" outcome is what we got. Much better than Ali turning into a psycho lover and doing the same old "cliche" shown in every story.


The same applies for Juhi. She is a "Pivotal" character as stated by Mahesh Bhatt himself. Even if not as important as Ali, she is also an important character in the scheme of things. When Neil was introduced the "ghost" of Juhi was introduced too. We saw he was still thinking of and occasionally talking to a "lost" person. We saw him remembering her in the course of his marriage to Rhea. He sees her give him a sign to move on, putting his hand in a hand, and when he turns around it's Avni standing there. He calls Avni "Juhi" when he thinks her life is in danger. We see Avni had already taken Juhi's position or should we say importance in Neil's life by then. So by no means is Juhi a character that can just be dismissed. She is a part of Neil's story. The Neil Khanna we love so much is the way he is partly because of her and what his relationship with her taught him. It made him go in a different path to the one he was on. He decided to become a Cop, a protector of truth and justice. It was because of this that he met Case 123, Avni aka Ananya and fell in love with her. Juhi cant just be dismissed.


Therefore, I hope they show why she has convinced herself this child is Neil's. Just like they are establishing Vidyut, they need to show the Juhi-Vidyut backstory for all this to make sense. I do believe that either Juhi is in denial or she is blocking the truth of the child's paternity even to herself as a coping mechanism. It's possible that Vidyut forced himself on her. But how and why is something we need to wait and see. He doesn't seem like a rapist, so there is clearly a lot more to this than a simple act of violence.


Personally, I believe treating Juhi as a "Vamp" who is just here to steal Neil is a VERY bad idea. It devalues the whole story and makes this show just like every other pathetic show where the Ex comes back with villainous intent. I for one hope they don't do such a useless cliche here!
Edited by MrDarcyfan - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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@Mandy & Agnes:

Juhi may be feeling guilty when they ask her about the kid, because she knows what happened with Vidyut and that there is a big chance he is the Father or IS the Father. I think the champagne story is probably true. I don't think Neil made that up. I always knew there was a reason that Neil accepted or decided to take on the responsibility of being the Father of Juhi's kid. It's because there was something that compelled him to do so. That something is what Juhi told him. Neil being a gentleman would never question her or call her a liar and imply that she is fabricating the whole thing. He may have his doubts or even trying to recall exactly what took place, but unable to. When your recall of such an incident is vague, you cant just tell the other person that they are lying. Maybe he thinks Juhi remembers more than him. But personally, I think she remembers about the same as him. Most likely nothing to the level of "Getting Pregnant" actually happened. But after the "Encounter" with Vidyut and her consequent discovery of being pregnant, Juhi tried to pretend to herself the child was a result of her champagne-filled engagement night with Neil.


The way she called the child "Jaan" and looked at Neil. How she said to Shweta with so much feeling "Neil ki Nishaani hai wo". I actually felt that she was trying to convince herself or is in some sort of La La land. THAT is why I say, she may have actually convinced herself this child is Neil's even though she knows it most probably, or most Definitely not!


Also, I dont think Neil would have told Avni when she Proposed to him with SO much feeling, that he was the Father of Juhi's child if he had not actually been led to believe that it is possible. This is the guy that waited for SO long to hear from Avni how she felt about him. He would have been over the Moon, jumping for joy when she proposed. She pretty much told him that she wants him to choose her. That was the most heartfelt proposal, even more romantic than saying "I love you!". The romantic in Neil would have been floored by this and he could never have contained his happiness. But to actually "counter" that beautiful proposal with "I am the Father of Juhi's kid" is NOT something I would expect from Neil if he was just making it up, or he had no reason to believe he was the Father. That is simply Cruel and Neil is anything but that. He could NEVER hurt Avni like that without a reason. He was standing there expecting her to Reject him. It was heartbreaking. Neil would never pretend to do such a thing, it does not go with his character.


So that is why I believe he actually felt responsible and was trying to do the right thing. He told Avni what he believed to be true and now he told Neela as well. He and Avni may have a "Plan" which involves rescuing the kid. Neil may have some doubts, but he is trying to do the right thing here and THAT is why we love this guy. He is not Ashish Meheta who led on two women in his life and did justice to neither. Neil intends to help his ex, be there for the kid, and still stand by his love and his marriage. That is Neil. I know the kid is not his. But this is not as simple as he is lying to protect Juhi. I don't think he would lie to all the people in his life like this. At least not to this extent. If he has, then I hope they show us exactly what prompted this. But I believed the engagement night story. It ALL made sense. Because to think Neil was casually having Sex with Juhi was NOT in character. So if they had a slip-up, it was more in character. But 2 days before leaving the country, again not necessarily in character. But no one is perfect. Therefore I was willing to go with it, and the CV's inserted some logic to it too.


THIS is the Neil Khanna though putting the moves on Avni, always gave her space and felt so privileged to have gotten so close to her in the Gazebo. For a guy like that, having sex is not a casual thing. So that is why I was irritated when they showed he was the Father, coz I wanted it "Justified". Now I feel that they have. I want to see what next and what unfolds from here!
Edited by MrDarcyfan - 7 years ago

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