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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: sudha_suressh

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It's difficult to identify flaws in Neil but yes I have one or two
He used to call Avni criminal
No Matter wat he was always like rhea ki koi galti nahi hai..
These two taughts were totally wrong and equally dumb...he failed to identify both of thm Avni is not criminal and rhea is not bechari she is a criminal actually..he realised tht now


You have pointed on Ryt point... That was the only point I wanted to Mention... at initial day he always potray Rhea as innocent and avni as criminal... Even avni has ask this question to neil too during Neela' kidnapping track 😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
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I'd rather say that he is a human being afterall and can make wrong decisions or let's say do things at times in a wrong way though his intentions are good. He is a mature, sensitive and sensible guy, he stands by what is right but he went wrong in few instances (tell me if you differ on some of the following points)

He called Ananya criminal before really getting any proofs of that and we know that one of the main rules of law is that " a suspect is innocent until proven guilty"

He said he should only hate her, why should he? Even if she is a criminal?! Normally if you do things professionally why would you think you should hate her, you would catch her and let the justice take its course in a normal way, why would you have any feeling be it hate or anything towards the whole thing.

Obviously, we know that he was just fooling himself, he never hated her ever, not even when she married him dokhe se, he was just hurt then because she lied to him and hoped she was really honest and she did it really for him but he knew she was lying. He had feelings for her since day 1, but still what he was saying was kind of irrational basically because he was in denial mode. I know Ananya didn't give him reasons to trust her as she kept lying to him but still he can't outright judge her. I agree with what you said Mandy, in that bathroom scene when he saw the huge effect Ananya has in him, he said that he can't have humdardi for her as she is a criminal while in fact what he wanted to say is that he can't love her, first because he suspects she is hiding something, secondly because he felt he is betraying Juhi's memory, another reason is he wouldn't want to fall in love again and lose his love!. About Juhi, If we remember the day of haldi when he had that dream where Juhi put Ananya's hand in his, he went back to his room and and took Juhi's picture and talked to it saying that no one can take her place in his heart, he knew very well it was too late and that happened already but he kept denying it.

The marriage with Rhea was another wrong thing he was about to do, even if it was fake and even if his intention was to find out Dayavanti's truth. He was thinking then that Rhea is just a victim of her grand mother's blackmailing, yet he decided to go ahead and fake a marriage with her! what about what will happen next when truth comes out, what about the girl's reputation when people would find that it was a fake wedding?!!!

The same thing happened when he used her to prove Avni's innocence. Neil used Riya, it's not ethical, I know Riya is no white pigeon, what she did was disgusting (tarnishing a woman's repuation being a woman herself!!!) but what matters most to me is Neil's character and his principles, the bottom line is that he used her without her consent to prove his point and he published the pictures in a newspaper which made her reputation questioned. At least they could have shown that the newspaper was fake and he made it only for that purpose and there are no other copies of it that went to the general public, they could have also shown that he is well aware of what Riya did to tarnish Avni's reputation, so to make her understand her mistake he put her in the same situation she put Avni in , all this obviously without having the newspaper diffused. These few little details could have avoided me raising questions about whether the way Neil tried to prove his point was right or wrong, for me it was wrong because these few details weren't included, he could have called his friend Malini and with her consent made that whole act and obviously with no diffusion of the newspaper. That would have been ethical, as it would have been an act, the person involved aware of it, she being a cop would understand too.

He faked friendship with Ananya, he knew she was sincere about it, he said main hamesha tumhari saath hoon, ek police wale ka farz nibhate hoon, yeh dosti ka jootha natak kara hoon, tumse saach bolvane ki liye. Now I know he didn't have ill intentions, he never had, he really wanted to do his duty of a police officer but why say that he was faking friendship? did he really believe he was faking, despite trying to convince himself of that, he was very much involved emotionally in all this, he was telling his mind that he is doing his duty, but his heart always wanted to help her and trust her and at some corner of it he did, but she kept lying to him and that hurt him a lot, it hurt him that she couldn't trust him

It's complicated lool, his love for his duty was/is real, so was/is his love for her, but the way he did things wasn't always right and as many of you said he was at times too strict in his perception of right and wrong, in abiding by laws despite feeling that maybe she was wronged, it was only when he got a proof that Dayavanti can really be what they are saying since she wa ready to force her grand daughter to marry for money, that he stopped pursuing Avni and wanted to focus on Dayavanti to find the truth as he wouldn't want an innocent person to be wronged

Another thought is maybe the reason why he wanted Avni to tell him the truth and trust him is actually to prevent her from doing something wrong which has irrevocable consequences, basically to save her from her ownself!

Anyways I might have gotten some things wrong, I need to rewatch and observe things more clearly, moreover human feelings and psychology are very complicated, there is not one single thing involved, it's a combination of things.

He is a wonderful man because his intentions are good and he tries to do the right thing, I love that he is strong headed and stands by his beliefs no matter what but at the end of the day he is a human being so mistakes can happen, in his case mainly because it's a matter of perception and beliefs.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Well I think Neil before marriage was totally different person than what he is now.The flaw which I found on him was he doubting Avni.To some extent he was correct.His police Walia thing n his Instinct was correct but then the way he treated avni n rhea differently on the same issue was making me angry.Wen u project yourself that u r honest n everyone is same infront of law .He could have atleast confronted rhea bt then he didn't.Everytime chanting Ismein rhea ki koi galti nai.Usuaally this happens only wen u r in love that you tend to ignore bt he was never in love with Rhea.Second thing Neil's approach to find the truth.He was doing fake marriage with Rhea jus to be close to find the truth about dayawanti.i don't support this view of him.Another flaw was Also get Avni s truth out.His close dance with Avni or then the mehendi sequence etc .Shweta was not wrong wen she said after truth of marriage was out that the fault was of Neil too.The pictures were fake bt his over the top concerned for Avni can make anyone feel that he s very much into Avni
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Thanks everyone for commenting😊
So here are some of the points I gathered
1)Neil is slow in identifying people but once he does he understands the person in and out. So basically he is a tubelight in this regard😛. So far the only person about whom he is never wrong is his mother and that may be because he stayed with her for longer time😆
2) Although Neil gives highest regard to a woman's reputation, when it comes to his duty he has a tendency to comprise with it like when he was trying to check Avni's pendant or when he was going to have a fake marriage with Rhea to expose Dayawanti.
3)He blindly believes the system knowing very well that corruption do exist in the system the evidences on the basis of which he judges the people and situations can be tampered.For him those who follow the rules are correct and those who not are wrong.But I think after seeing Avni's case he might have started to accept that the system can also be manipulated.
4)Many a times he has not been honest to himself. Post leap he had been chasing Avni claiming to do so for professional reasons but the fact is more than professional he had personal interest in her. Till recently also he kept on convincing himself that he is only helping Avni in getting justice but the fact is Avni was more than just a case for him.
Edited by -DragonFire- - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: shikhsk

Well I think Neil before marriage was totally different person than what he is now.The flaw which I found on him was he doubting Avni.To some extent he was correct.His police Walia thing n his Instinct was correct but then the way he treated avni n rhea differently on the same issue was making me angry.Wen u project yourself that u r honest n everyone is same infront of law .He could have atleast confronted rhea bt then he didn't.Everytime chanting Ismein rhea ki koi galti nai.Usuaally this happens only wen u r in love that you tend to ignore bt he was never in love with Rhea.Second thing Neil's approach to find the truth.He was doing fake marriage with Rhea jus to be close to find the truth about dayawanti.i don't support this view of him.Another flaw was Also get Avni s truth out.His close dance with Avni or then the mehendi sequence etc .Shweta was not wrong wen she said after truth of marriage was out that the fault was of Neil too.The pictures were fake bt his over the top concerned for Avni can make anyone feel that he s very much into Avni


There was not much to confront Rhea about apart from that incident when Diksha took her pictures with Neil. Obviously that was an enough and strong reason to break the engagement because it's very cheap and marriage should be based on trust. He obviously scolded her and told her that it's very cheap and it's a criminal act but he didn't think she would do it on her own and he was right it's just that she did it on Diksha's instructions and not Avni's!. I agree he was still lenient with Rhea but I feel he never took her seriously. With Ananya, on the other hand, he felt she was hiding something big, everytime she is around something happens and then he discovers her lies and that makes him more angry. His feelins towards her didn't help either, he wanted to trust, he wanted her to trust him, to tell him the truth but she never did and that hurt him.

I agree with you he used to get very close to her, intimidating at times and invading her intimate space which made her put the rule of one arm distance. But he felt so guilty and ashamed when she told him off when she changed the pendant. He felt that he was wrong in thinking she is case 123 and felt sorry about the way he used to find the truth. When she bumped into him, after Avni met Shweta and told her off for her fake attempt of suicide, he couldn't even look at her straight in the eyes.
He is a decent, respectful man, he used to get close to her because he simply loved her, subconsciously he always did it without thinking about it, he never did the same with Rhea despite her being his fiancee because he never had any kind of feelings for her
Edited by arshisfan - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: -DragonFire-

Thanks everyone for commenting😊

So here are some of the points I gathered
1)Neil is slow in identifying people but once he does he understands the person in and out. So basically he is a tubelight in this regard😛. So far the only person about whom he is never wrong is his mother and that may be because he stayed with her for longer time😆
2) Although Neil gives highest regard to a woman's reputation, when it comes to his duty he has a tendency to comprise with it like when he was trying to check Avni's pendant or when he was going to have a fake marriage with Rhea to expose Dayawanti.
3)He blindly believes the system knowing very well that corruption do exist in the system the evidences on the basis of which he judges the people and situations can be tampered.For him those who follow the rules are correct and those who not are wrong.But I think after seeing Avni's case he might have started to accept that the system can also be manipulated.
4)Many a times he has not been honest to himself. Post leap he had been chasing Avni claiming to do so for professional reasons but the fact is more than professional he had personal interest in her. Till recently also he kept on convincing himself that he is only helping Avni in getting justice but the fact is Avni was more than just a case for him.



I agree that when he identifies a person he understands them in and out but he is no tubelight at all, actually he is a very perceptive and intelligent person, no wonder since day 1 he knew Ananya was hiding something, he was also right, she is case 123, I know she outsmarted him and changed the pendant but he was right. Deep down he always knew she isn't a bad person, he knew there was some pain hidden in her heart (he once said sahi tha main itna dard hai tumhare aakhon mein) but he also knew she is not what she pretends to be, everytime she is present somewhere something happens. He uses his brain and bases his opinions on facts mainly even when his heart feels the real core of the person, he once said it that his heart trusts her but his mind doesn't, for obvious reasons, he keeps discovering her lies, any sane person wouldn't trust that person despite having feelings for them

About Rhea also he wasn't wrong, he knew she was a superficial girl and the way she was shown before AvNeil's marriage was that she never could hatch a plan on her own, she always needed someone to tell her what to do. She wanted to live her life away when she discovered that Neil doesn't love her, so he basically wasn't wrong, she wasn"t really that bad then. But after marriage they showed us a new Rhea, who can come with plans of her own!!!

Cvs didn't let him focus on Rhea simply because they needed her to stay in Khanna house and plot along Shweta, otherwise, the Neil we know who is very attentive to small details wouldn't have forgotten about the phone call he received that day, I know he mentioned it to DD and told him that they need to find about it, but in the normal case, Neil would have digged it out himself then and there!

Amol obviously played his game very well and fooled everyone, who would have thought that after attempting to commit a suicide, he would be just faking!! Even Cvs didn't know 😆 Obviously they changed the track till the last episodes, otherwise we all know about the scenes from the OLVs that were never aired where Amol was taking the blame on himself with regards to the cigarettes while they actually belonged to Kareena. Amol was supposed to help Kareena and save her from Angad! Alas they turned him negative to create a shocking twist and made all Avni's sacrifices go down the drain!! They could have spared us this twist, let the bond grow stronger between siblings and for plotting Guruma and Dayavanti were more than enough!

P.S : Ignore typos
Edited by arshisfan - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Guys I have I one doubt, during Neela' kidnapping track when Neil is ask Avni that rajat tumours kon lagta h something like that he ask...is some jealousy reflected in his tone because whenever I watch that episode I got glimson of jealous Neil... Correct me if I wrong in this analysis I know this is thread to point out some flaws of Neil but I wanted to ask this...
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Okay this is the one that i've ignored because i thought he was mad at avni because he thought she was involved in taking his pictures in that intoxicated state . But he called her - low standard , giri hui ladki .. I hated that , i know he respects women a lot and he thought she is conspiring against him hence that reaction , He was ready to punish her for the mistake which she never committed . But once he got to know that she wasn't behind all this . He never confronted rhea about the whole thing .
I hate how he has a soft spot for rhea , He ignores whatever rhea does .. be it pictures , Running away from her mandap , her bad behaviour with avni ..The only time he asked her to stop was when she slapped avni during that mehndi sequence . apart from that i cant think of any . Even now i want him to confront rhea about that letter .. i doubt he'd do that though .

Rest i think neil has flaws and its good to have some , I don't think there's anyone in world whose perfect . You can only strive to be one . His love and respect for avni and her family , his commitment for his work ,his principles , work ethics , standing up for right reasons is something very inspiring .
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: vidz2122

he gets lost in avni ... ... and forgets his duty ...


Hehe 😆
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Posted: 7 years ago
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I hope you got Neil's flaws now in this current track,Dragon 😳 😆

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