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Posted: 15 years ago
#51
Come on guys let's NOT get into name calling. It's not right to throw personal attacks at anybody! As somone999 rightly said, Javed saab is such an eminent peronality and it will reflect badly on us if we use derogatory words for him...

Having said that, I don't agree with Javed saab's scores at all. He has considerably fewer musical credentials than teh other judges on the panel. Writing songs is a completely different art to singing or composing. Did he pick up on the scale changes, the rhythmical changes, the improvisations and the sur that the other, more musical, judges detected? Arguably not.

Of course everyone is entitled to an opinion. And Javed saab's opinion is valued by a number of people, which is why he was on the show. But unfortunately in this episode, I couldn't find myself agreeing with what he said. And I won't change my mind just because he is Javed Akhtar 'the Legendary Writer'. Yes, he is a great writer and a very good debater. But he is not a musical expert.

I'm not saying that I am a musical expert either - but he is not someone whose opinion on vocal music is the be-all and end-all in my eyes. If a real musician, who studies, understands and lives music, like the other judges, held an opinion different to mine, then I would definitely reconsider my POV...

If this was a mushayara or writing competition, then of course I would not dare to argue with Javed saab. But in a singing competition, his comment that 'Shadab was mimicking Sukhi's style' just does not cut it for me...

And I do think, with all due respect, that he was being quite rude to Shaan's team. For a man of his stature, he doesn't need to score petty points.

  1. But when Shaan apologised for daring to argue with Javed saab in the first round, Javed saab's comment that 'you are only saying that now that you are 1 point ahead' was in bad taste. Must he have a sarcastic last word even after a sincere apology?
  2. And after Shaan's team had performed, his words that the medley was the 'lowest common denominator of entertainment' was extremely rude. This is a man whose job is to work with words, yet he couldn't find any more diplomatic, polite or considerate way of expressing his feelings? OK, he didn't like it - but at least have some respect for the hard work that went into conceptualising, rehearsing and performing the medley! How would he feel if people used such caustic words for his writing in 'Sholay' - wasn't that just a typically superficial, yet entertaining, potboiler?
I think Javed saab's scores were one thing... But the way he explained those marks was unnecessarily impolite. There is a difference between being a strict judge and being downright disrespectful!
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Posted: 15 years ago
#52
...all this is a sign of a disturbed mind......old age sometimes brings out the caustic side in a human and the prime example is Javed...hope to god that he gets telepathic signs and reads all that was said about him in this forum and rectifies his faults.....
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Posted: 15 years ago
#53

Javed Sahab has no knowledge of music at all that's what I think, he is a good lyricist but not a good judge as far as music is concerned.

Edited by khoobsoorat - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
#54
remmeber, JAVED akter ain't music director, ain't singer, ain't film director , ain't actor. all he is is a lyricist or song writer.

when did a song writer try to act too smart on national TV and judge top singers like SHAAN? HHAA, POWER AND GREED is what is going on in bollywood these days.

i think top lyricist SAMEER should come to shows and let JAVED AKHTER sing or write his flop lyrics.

he is acting as if he is multi talented like Himesh Reshammiya or an actor like SHARUKH KHAN.

i don't like JAVED in bollywood shows, concerts. he is always there in public places and act as if he is an actor, singer, music director, millionairer, owner or something big,

HE IS JUST A SONG WRITER, THAT'S IT.

I AM GLAD my hero Himesh is out of the show cos this JAVED may have said the same nonsense thing to multi talanted Himesh Reshammiya.

I know JAVED and shankar are great freinds.
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Posted: 15 years ago
#55
i am in agree with xobile.......

we should not disrespect the greats but we shuould not take their ord for kinda ending the show as well....we should remember one thing that...songs..movies...or any other entertainment suff are made for us...to serve us with entertainment when we are in need of it....and if someone is a good listener he shudnt be finding any difficulty to recognize if the song he is listening is on sur or not....or the scale is okay or not (tho he might not tell the scale's name but when the singer is off-scale it clearly hurts the ear) ...the tempo is okay or not...does the singer have any breathing prob...is he completing the portion with correct breathing or not......anybodyneeds not to be a music expert for judging those stuff......a healthy good listener with own judgement will do....

thats y being a person of own judgement and good music sense ( not knowledge as they are kinda different things) i personally am accustomed to respect the respctables but at the same time to take my decision on my own judgement the way it is supposed to be......for every human being......


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Posted: 15 years ago
#56

Originally posted by: mumbai80



You are right everybody waits for Simon Cowell's comments because he is "FAIR"....make a note the keyword is fair. Javed Akhtar was not being fair and we all know that...because even though we may not be experts on the technicalities of singing one knows good music...Javed Akhtar was extremely harsh in his criticism and he needs to get his act together because nobody will want him as a judge anymore.....I for one have lost complete respect for him...and mind you I"ve been a great fan of his writing and having met him personally a few times.



Well, Simon Cowell is harsher than Javed Saab, he comments on God knows even personal things of the singers. Yet still he is respected though he is out and out a rude man.
Since you are a supporter of Shaan's strikers obviously it will seem harsh to you. No one will say that this judge has been lenient, people will always crticize the person who is strict, WHY because it is their team there!

I personally think that everyone has made out such a CHAOS out of such a small thing. WHY do people only remember the score of the MEDLEY?, does any one remember the previous good scores that Javed Saab gave to Harshit and Anwesha and Debojit??..NO and why is that? SIMPLE, because people want to nag at this point or the other. Well, on the positive note, this drama will allow the team to gain more sympathy votes that's why this discussion goes on and on and on and on..

I have given my opinion.. and seriously i am in no mood for argument. If people want to be biased and want to continue fighting i will let them do that. It is not a matter of life and death. Ultimately Shaan will win because of the votes, so there is no reason to be upset on poor Javed Saab. Carry on People! 😊
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Posted: 15 years ago
#57

Originally posted by: xobile

Come on guys let's NOT get into name calling. It's not right to throw personal attacks at anybody! As somone999 rightly said, Javed saab is such an eminent peronality and it will reflect badly on us if we use derogatory words for him...

Having said that, I don't agree with Javed saab's scores at all. He has considerably fewer musical credentials than teh other judges on the panel. Writing songs is a completely different art to singing or composing. Did he pick up on the scale changes, the rhythmical changes, the improvisations and the sur that the other, more musical, judges detected? Arguably not.

Of course everyone is entitled to an opinion. And Javed saab's opinion is valued by a number of people, which is why he was on the show. But unfortunately in this episode, I couldn't find myself agreeing with what he said. And I won't change my mind just because he is Javed Akhtar 'the Legendary Writer'. Yes, he is a great writer and a very good debater. But he is not a musical expert.

I'm not saying that I am a musical expert either - but he is not someone whose opinion on vocal music is the be-all and end-all in my eyes. If a real musician, who studies, understands and lives music, like the other judges, held an opinion different to mine, then I would definitely reconsider my POV...

If this was a mushayara or writing competition, then of course I would not dare to argue with Javed saab. But in a singing competition, his comment that 'Shadab was mimicking Sukhi's style' just does not cut it for me...

And I do think, with all due respect, that he was being quite rude to Shaan's team. For a man of his stature, he doesn't need to score petty points.

  1. But when Shaan apologised for daring to argue with Javed saab in the first round, Javed saab's comment that 'you are only saying that now that you are 1 point ahead' was in bad taste. Must he have a sarcastic last word even after a sincere apology?
  2. And after Shaan's team had performed, his words that the medley was the 'lowest common denominator of entertainment' was extremely rude. This is a man whose job is to work with words, yet he couldn't find any more diplomatic, polite or considerate way of expressing his feelings? OK, he didn't like it - but at least have some respect for the hard work that went into conceptualising, rehearsing and performing the medley! How would he feel if people used such caustic words for his writing in 'Sholay' - wasn't that just a typically superficial, yet entertaining, potboiler?
I think Javed saab's scores were one thing... But the way he explained those marks was unnecessarily impolite. There is a difference between being a strict judge and being downright disrespectful!



Wonderful Post Xobile..Agreed!!
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Posted: 15 years ago
#58
Just watched the episode here today in USA & all I have to say is Gajji next time as jury or judge pls get some1 who is impartial & unbiased!
Shadab inspite of singing with so much variation was called a copy cat of the original.............from which angle I didn't get it!!
Shankar is the only person who is carrying forward his team & obviously when he is on the stage he will score 10. If there was an option he would score 100 out of 10 if not more, then how is it ok to be judged on the same platform of Shankar M & an upcoming young singer like Anwesha?? I personally love Shankar M & in todays day & age very few singers can be at par with him, so its unfair to be put against him in a competition for some1 like Anwesha & Debojit.
Shankar's team members r nothing but big showoffs, overconfident, with full of attitude & some cheap antics, other than that they have nothing & everytime Shankar has to fight for them & for this poor upcoming singers of opponent team suffers!
And Javed Akhtar found sense of that medley of Shankar M which kept me wondering what the message for was! And I agree Shaan's medley was of not that superior standard as it usually is but still 5 definitely is below the belt! If he didn't like it he could have given 7 but 5 definitely undeserving!!! Javed Akhtar all I can say is u looked super biased!
Gajji pls next time make some bench rules for the juries & judges as well. Let a deserving team win based on their true merits & efforts!
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Posted: 15 years ago
#59
Boman Irani😉 se jealous ho ke javed ne apna frustration Shaan Strikers pe utara.. Ye Boman ko Shabina ke sath jada matargasti nahi karna chahiye tha.. hehe ;)
ye sayad 'Sorry Bhai' ya phir 'Honeymoon Travels' ka side-effect hai.. Poor Strikers.. Javed😕 should consult a gud clinic.. aaj kal ye sab problems theek ho jata hai...
Edited by susm8 - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
#60
The scoring system is at fault allowing a biased judge to affect outcome. In a fair system the highest and lowest score would be discarded and the average of the remaining score would be used . This would have prevented such an unfair result.

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