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Posted: 16 years ago
#31

the reaction of kranti the next morning though expected was a bit too harsh. even if her blaming him can be accepted but her cleaning her body as if she has been raped by some goon was totally not called for.

after all he is her husband and it was she who chose to marry him watever her reasons were. she never hesitated to share bedroom withh him which means she never distrusted him in the fundamental level.
if he was to take adnavtage of her he had all the nights before like she told her the previous that for other ppl they r husband and wife and so he can do anything with her. that he never did that proved his decency and at the same time his respect for her.
kranti cleansing herself only shows how little she knows Raj and she takes only a POV of him which is convenient to her. he maybe fond of britishers but that doesnt make him a bad human being or a bad husband.
i think this is high time kranti shud think this over
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Posted: 16 years ago
#32

Originally posted by: Bugger

skepti i will paste the same thing bout the show which i juss posted in jyoti's update post ....n i m uss say we think very much alike in this matter

ok cuming back, i dun think .....we can completly blame raj for th nite!! raj was in his senses no doubt but even kranti was not completly out tht she didnt know wat was happening!!
she remembers each n every act next morning!! and during the scene also ...i guess kranti was only leading him most of the times! as far as raj is concerned ....to me it appeared tht.......even when kranti went out in rain n getting wet .....he got no such feeling ....he was juss concerned....he got mesmerized when kranti hugged him!! and he kinda smiled during the hug......😳........so according to him this was kranti's consent to b wit him.......and since then i think watever happened was mutual!!
this shows rajveer was alwayz attracted by kranti.....tht one move frm her and he was all over her .😆......poor guy cudnt control though being in his senses!!😉😆
so tht means raj alwayz wanted her!! even the next day he was not regretting!! i think b4 seeing kranti in tht state he was actually satisfied tht they got togetehr and r a couple in the real sense!! mabbe he wanted to tell this to her .......he actually forgot wat type of relation he shares wit kranti.......he was juss a husband who in the sleep also was searching his wife!! i think the next day he wanted to tell her tht they r indeed made for each other but i guess he didnt get the chance and was completly taken back wit kranti's outburst!😭
ok now cuming to kranti...............here cuz of the drink .....her brain wasnt working, her ego wasnt there ..........it was juss her heart n she followed it wit raj!! 😊
next morning i think she was more angry on herself than raj!! she blasted raj but the main reason was tht she herself was feeling ashamed!! she thinks tht i twas raj's plan but she knows tht wateevr happened was wit her consent .......in the nite..she didnt deny him eevn once!
so i think more than raj ........she is hating herself for letting raj cuming close to her!! she is now going thru mixed feelings ......she is like ....if she hates him so much then why the hell she didnt stop him last nite!! ok she was drunk ...but had she done the same if sum oethr man wud hav been there!! i dun think so!!so she is battling wit herself!!
so i think the show was quite positive and perfect in terms of logic ,emotions and feelings!! atleast they came to know their inner feelings thru this nite!!😊



i totally agree with you.this is going to be the turning point in the show.many would not agree with RK consummation in drunken state. but, i think the alcohol was just a catalyst which sparked off feelings from RK. R is feeling concern and pain of K not because of the previous night events. He was genuinely concerned about her before their consummation. and we already seen K showing concern for R, though she never shows it. They both were drawn towards each other but because of the ideological divide between them, they could not even admit it to themselves, forget about confessing to each other. But now atleast Raj will come to realise his true feelings for Kranti and will want her in her life. Kranti may take time to realise that she has fallen for Raj, but will Raj transforming, shw will eventually also realise tht. Both of them are made for each other but they have never realised that. Hopefully, with this, Raj and sooner or later Kranti will also realise their love and get together.Of course it will take a lot of drama.so we have to wait and watch.
but for me, it was the ultimate point from where Raj's transformation will start and so i don't see anything wrong in their consummation.
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Posted: 16 years ago
#33

According To Ma POV...

Kranti'z Outburst was a bit harsh on Raj...she was confused abt the nite..but itz not only HIZ fault...she was also very much involved in the act...although her behaviour was justified when she said"Aaj tumne mughe meri hee nazron mein gira dia"..She was angry at herself...that whhy he allowed him to touch herself..n let him gett close to Herself..but the scene was ACTED very well ba the actorzz....
Well Letz c watz in store for the next week...
i think KRANTI will hate him More....n will blame him for the DEED...
but i dun want it to b toooo long......
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Skepti first of all a Wonderful Analysis of this entire Episode👏👏,..I like the fact that u hv presented both the positive and negative aspects of this whole Tabela Night Fiasco😃
And the most suprising fact is that for the first time u hv actually praised Raj's actions and criticised Kranti's outburst in the morning😲...Oh my God...Anti-Raj Camp's main leader Skepti taking a U-Turn😲..Now Poor Anshu and Company will hv to take the battle alone only😉
Ok after seeing so many different POVs I would like to give them a short update of a short promo that I saw today Morning while flipping the channels😃
The promo Voiceover says "Even after coming so close Kranti's hatred for Raj keeps on increasing evey passing day"

Then the Promo shows Kranti in anger throwing the photo frame of Rajbir on the floor due to which it breaks...Now the most positive aspect of the promo😃...Raj is shown standing somewhere on the middle of the road I guess(only his close-up is shown here)and he is looking in complete depression and also very much emotional(I think his face was speaking volumes about his pain in the promo even though he wasn't crying)😭..For the first time Raj's facial expression looked very much positive and in the process of changing to me😳..
So from this promo its clear that Raj will now go to any extent to win Kranti's respect and mayb in this process he might realize his love for her also😉..while Kranti's hatred will keep on increaing every passing day until and unless he does something which can gain him that all important trust and respect in Kranti's eyes😃
I know Dawn and Skepti r worried that mayb the creatives cannot take this complex storyline forward in a sensible manner...but from the look of the latest promo I think they will do full justice with both Raj and Kranti's character in terms of depicting emotions,feelings,respect and finally love for each other😳
Ash and Sam I agree with both of u here...Alcohol is used as a catalyst in this context so that the inner desire or feelings of both RK comes out that night😳..I think for the first time neither Raj saw Kranti only as a KK nor Kranti saw Raj only as a Lawyer supporting the britishers...For the first time Raj actually saw Kranti as a Woman of Substance who is his wife😳and Kranti saw Raj as a strong and handsome guy who is her husband...there was no ego,self-respect,dignity or ideologies involved here...it was pure love,passion and destiny which brought them together😳...I guess in the morning Raj understood this😉 but I guess Kranti's wounds r so deep that she will take some time to develop that trust in her husband😊
And regarding the morning outburst and washing herself with water..even I thought it was shown a bit too much😕...But mayb it was just a way to show all her frustations and anger on herself only just because she slept with the man she hated the most..Kranti never even considered Raj as her husband and we saw that when she just casually removes her Mangalsutra and throws it ..that time in fact it was Raj who felt bad and not Kranti😉..so its obvious that for her the entire night fiasco was nothing less than a rape or Sin because for her Raj is still a paraya Mard whom she hated the most...I guess she washes herself because she is feeling bad about the fact that she lost her virginity with someone who is the indirect murderer of her Sohan Tauji..who is the one because of whom her Mamaji went to Jail and she got married to a Buddha..these thoughts are just killing her😭..
Hoepfully Raj will do some saving act of Kranti's family to win her respect and love...because in the promo the way Raj was shown..its clear that he will b taking a major decision in his life now...Is this the Beginning of that End which we all wanted ??Is this the end of a British-Loyal Rajbir ?? Is this the beginning of a new love story ?? Is this beginning of a new-born Krantikari??😉..I guess these all questions were going on in Raj's mind when he was giving that all important and meaningful look in the promo..watch it for yourself😳
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: jyoti06

Skepti first of all a Wonderful Analysis of this entire Episode👏👏,..I like the fact that u hv presented both the positive and negative aspects of this whole Tabela Night Fiasco😃 Thank you

And the most suprising fact is that for the first time u hv actually praised Raj's actions and criticised Kranti's outburst in the morning😲...Oh my God...Anti-Raj Camp's main leader Skepti taking a U-Turn😲..Now Poor Anshu and Company will hv to take the battle alone only😉 Joey wake up!! I'll be dead before I join any camp of that Rat's. You and me just don't belong together. I was giving an impartial view. If my kudi has faulted, I have always pointed it out. Nothing's different now.
Ok after seeing so many different POVs I would like to give them a short update of a short promo that I saw today Morning while flipping the channels😃
The promo Voiceover says "Even after coming so close Kranti's hatred for Raj keeps on increasing evey passing day" This is unrealistic and stupid

Then the Promo shows Kranti in anger throwing the photo frame of Rajbir on the floor due to which it breaks...Now the most positive aspect of the promo😃...Raj is shown standing somewhere on the middle of the road I guess(only his close-up is shown here)and he is looking in complete depression and also very much emotional(I think his face was speaking volumes about his pain in the promo even though he wasn't crying)😭..For the first time Raj's facial expression looked very much positive and in the process of changing to me😳.. Yes he has had a slight change of heart but his head still needs to be examined. I hope he remains a MAN and not become a lallu to pacify his wife.
So from this promo its clear that Raj will now go to any extent to win Kranti's respect and mayb in this process he might realize his love for her also😉..while Kranti's hatred will keep on increaing every passing day until and unless he does something which can gain him that all important trust and respect in Kranti's eyes😃 She has started becoming worrisome with her obstinacy. She's just not accepting what is so obvious. Hopefully, some incident will bring in the change.
I know Dawn and Skepti r worried that mayb the creatives cannot take this complex storyline forward in a sensible manner...but from the look of the latest promo I think they will do full justice with both Raj and Kranti's character in terms of depicting emotions,feelings,respect and finally love for each other😳 The million dollar Q is .....how they will show it. I hope ---------- oh forget it.
Ash and Sam I agree with both of u here...Alcohol is used as a catalyst in this context so that the inner desire or feelings of both RK comes out that night ......eh I don't agree there. The atmosphere and awareness of each other could have acted as the catalysts (I have mentioned it in my short stories all the while)😳..I think for the first time neither Raj saw Kranti only as a KK nor Kranti saw Raj only as a Lawyer supporting the britishers...For the first time Raj actually saw Kranti as a Woman of Substance who is his wife😳and Kranti saw Raj as a strong and handsome guy who is her husband...there was no ego,self-respect,dignity or ideologies involved here...it was pure love,passion and destiny which brought them together😳...I guess in the morning Raj understood this😉 but I guess Kranti's wounds r so deep that she will take some time to develop that trust in her husband😊 This is the real heart of the problem and should be very sensitively dealt with. Can the creatives do it?
And regarding the morning outburst and washing herself with water..even I thought it was shown a bit too much agree agree agree😕...But mayb it was just a way to show all her frustations and anger on herself only just because she slept with the man she hated the most..Kranti never even considered Raj as her husband and we saw that when she just casually removes her Mangalsutra and throws it ..Kranti doesn't think of her mangalsutra as a cheap trinket. Far from it. Remember, earlier she had cautioned him to be careful that her lil black thread shouldn't break. This time she removed it out of pique and nothing else. that time in fact it was Raj who felt bad and not Kranti😉..so its obvious that for her the entire night fiasco was nothing less than a rape or Sin because for her Raj is still a paraya Mard whom she hated the most...I guess she washes herself because she is feeling bad about the fact that she lost her virginity with someone who is the indirect murderer of her Sohan Tauji..Joey, hahahahaha what explanatons you come up with!!!!!who is the one because of whom her Mamaji went to Jail and she got married to a Buddha..these thoughts are just killing her😭..
Hoepfully Raj will do some saving act of Kranti's family to win her respect and love...because in the promo the way Raj was shown..its clear that he will b taking a major decision in his life now...Is this the Beginning of that End which we all wanted ??Is this the end of a British-Loyal Rajbir ?? Is this the beginning of a new love story ?? Is this beginning of a new-born Krantikari??😉..I guess these all questions were going on in Raj's mind when he was giving that all important and meaningful look in the promo..watch it for yourself😳

It is the growing up of Kranti that will be the focal point of the upcoming track. At least I hope it will be.
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Posted: 16 years ago
#36
My POV
I was not happy about yesterday outcome
As its clearly shown on Kranti expression she enjoying every moment
of the passion night with R
Its very Contradict
She gave her 100% to R ( bcoz she remember the passion moment with
him in the morn, or in her thoughts & tear drops from eyes.
than why she has to behave so vierdly
Pl creatives dont stretch their relation 222222222222long of hatred
& Show Promo

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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: sasha722

My POV
I was not happy about yesterday outcome
As its clearly shown on Kranti expression she enjoying every moment
of the passion night with R
Its very Contradict
She gave her 100% to R ( bcoz she remember the passion moment with
him in the morn, or in her thoughts & tear drops from eyes.
than why she has to behave so vierdly
Pl creatives dont stretch their relation 222222222222long of hatred
& Show Promo

Kranti is hurt. And the anger that is boiling within her is because she has been weak. I agree with you totally. Dont want the buffoons to lose sight of how to make Kranti understand herself and her husband.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: jyoti06

Poetic heres what I feel about today's Episode😳

First of all I must admit that the entire love making scene was handled very aesthetically👏 and throughout the episdoe both Gavie and Prabhleen were exceptional in portraying the pain, anger, agony and helplessness👏;Now coming back to the Tabela Fiasco for Kranti its a sin..thats the way she was treating her body today after the night fiasco by putting water on her body;But for Raj I think its one of the first realization that he loves Kranti😳;The reason why he never says he is sorry for what he did😉;The reason why in the morning..in his sleep he was actually searching for Kranti besides him on the floor😳..the reason why he was holding that Kranti's duppata in his hand while packing and telling to himself that his intention was never bad😭..the reason why throughout the episode he was more concerned about Kranti's pain...the reason why for the first time an egoistic man like Rajbir did not argue with his biggest enemy even after she calls him a traitor and a bacstabber😭...Now tell me if this is not Love ..then what is Love ??😳..I think this night will b a blessing in disguise from Rajbir's POV because we all keep telling that Raj needs some big jolt to change his views..well here we r...what more big jolt can he get than this night😆😉..Hopefully this will mark the beginning of a real passionate love story between RK😳..so stop worrying because I m sure positive stuffs r coming our way from next week😃

hey joe u said my heart , totally agree with u
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Posted: 16 years ago
#39

Originally posted by: skeptical

I am happy to see that many have not really liked the idea of a drunk Kranti being initiated.

I

What is abhorrent :

Tunnel vision amongst the makers. The creatives started a stupid track a few weeks ago of showing a shrewish and aggressive Kranti. They made her totally silly and insensitive. The viewers screamed blue murder. They realised that the show was going downhill, so they came up with a master scheme. The tabela plan. It was a hastily contrived idea. They knew that the audience wanted it for sure. And the PR ppl started doing a good job. Promos flashed every minute so that the loyal viewer got a glimpse. There was jubilation. TRPs were rising. All the right masalas were added and the mixture seemed to be a dish of gr8 taste. Yuck. Far from it. The ploy worked. There was a clamour for the scene and they knew how to keep us hyper and anxious. And in four days two sworn enemies had bedded and the deed was done. Kranti at a stage when she still distrusted her husband, was made to participate in the tabela scene. ( Not by her husband but by the writers) Thank God they didn't warp her character totally. On the other hand Raj's character is slowly metamorphosing and he is drawing sympathy towards him. The morning after was something a few of us were dreading and it happened just that way. But it was so unconvincing and stupidly portrayed.

II

The change in Raj:

The subtle changes in this character have been brought out very well. His initial irritation with Kranti has worn off. Kaha phas gya hoon main was his chant. But now he is subdued. Unfortunately he is made to feel guilty. He is accused by her of seducing her in her state of stupor. He looked unnerved at that time and a bit sad. Obviously the night meant something to him. He was gentle (Thank God). He tried to placate her and calm her down. But she was beyond everything. He hated to see the hurt in her eyes. More than hurt, it was defeat and self-derision. That must have been a real blow to him. What was meaningful to him, was degrading to her. But he was understanding. He was so even the previous night. When he realises she had had an extra sip, he asked her if she liked the taste. He gave in to the moment of passion and gave it all.

His stroking her clothes while packing was sensitively depicted. When he murmurs, Kranti'..I ain't like that, he was convincing. Full marks there for the actor and the director. He doesn't confide in anyone not even his best friend about what has happened. Perhaps he thinks it private and sacred and so he couldn't discuss it at all with anyone. He seems to have matured after this experience, lets see how he shapes up next week.

III

My Kudi

O dear!!!!!! The most complex of all. She has a good little bit of that drink. But the decanter is just half if not less. Raj has been helping himself to it through the evening, remember? And she is sipping it, not downing it in one go. This makes her high?? And then she casts off the bottle. She smiles freely. Are we to understand that she is drunk? O Brother'''..Gimme a break!!!! She is tipsy but not drunk. Her speech is neither slurred nor does she speak incoherently. Her faculties are about her. But somewhat. She is flirting with him quite openly. And that was kinda cute. When she calls him kadva, what was she doing? Flirting, isn't it? And she was there. Her head was on her shoulders. It was not lolling off. She has fully participated in the lovemaking and has enjoyed every moment of it. Did it remind her of the wolf?? NO. She gave herself up. She capitulated and it was sweet surrender. He didn't force himself on her at all. She knew what was happening even if she couldn't control it. From what I saw, she wanted it to happen. Regret would come tomorrow but for the moment she threw caution to the winds. The viewer doesn't mind, my dear. You are human and even if he is your sworn enemy, he is the closest to you.

Why did the cretivs have to show her screaming her outrage the next day as if she had been raped? The way she tries to cleanse herself and weeping like a Victorian heroine who had been molested. Did she see similarities between her present husband and her past? We didn't. What she is feeling, is guilt. She has betrayed herself. She has fallen in some way because now she won't be on the same level with him as she previously was. That's her tragedy. She keeps seeing them together, their arms tight around each other. And she cries even more. Her husband has been sensitive, that's a point in her favour. I hope she knows and understands that'..

I'm sorry but I don't think the creatives know how to transform this confused frightened and lonely young girl into a confident woman who can command love, loyalty, respect and passion from her husband who is bound to change for her.



Skep superb analysis👏
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Thank you, my hawa ka jhoka........ 😆

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