*~*TAZBU (SaiShi and RaghVi) AT 17*~* Meri Duniyaa - Page 11

Originally posted by: euphoric

Thank you Shri for reposting this ❤️

I and Ren were discussing about this yesterday and then I got busy and reply reh gaya. But this is beautiful...

Pallavi wants Raghav to be a better person. I agree she gets too strict and bossy and she needs to change that approach but otherwise her expectations in my opinion are in place. His illegal ways and throwing caution to air attitude, served him before because he was alone with no liabilities. Today he is a family man. His Security, his happiness, his work ways... Is going to affect the people whom he love and "for whom" he claims to do things. I guess that's what she wants to make him realize. But she needs to bend her ways with her and give him some time and be easy on him... Otherwise she may come across as imposing and that may become a little irritating.

Raghav, he sought light and Pallavi came by as the glimmer of hope. He's changed for her and because of her. It was him who promised her that he will change for her. So, he changed because he wanted to be the Raghav his Amma and his wife would want him to be. But his experiences made him insecure and he was not ready to let go of the shield that he had been using to guard his spirit from further hurt. However when Pallavi was hurt, that shield was ripped from him. So, I believe he would have evolved any which ways but yes it would have been gradual changes.

While Pallavi's expectations are not wrong, she needs to contemplate her ways. Sometimes, right thing done in a wrong way can have a boomerang impact. And when Raghav pushes himself towards a dynamic change that can be head spinning. I believe they should allow themselves a space for gradual and long lasting changes than an overnight reformation. I don't think it works that way. Anyways marriage is about evolving together. And how long they have been married. They still need to learn a lot.

Hey

Like I explained in the next post, perfection refered not only to business and alcohol, but also Raghav's reaction to Esha (Pallavi expects him to be indifferent) and in general stuff like how he handles people etc. Pallavi wants to make Raghav a better person in every walk of life, which is a good thing, but it is almost impossible. Somethings should be left alone if they workable. If you are not good in one subject you usually study it only such that you get passing/average marks and necessary knowledge.

Raghav needs to stop and think what exactly does he wants. And put that in front of Pallavi. They need to sit, talk and give each other space (something that's impossible on ITV 🤣) and be on the same page. Otherwise its going to be painfully frustating for both

Originally posted by: fria319

Thanks for the tag + reposting Shri!

Agree with Sonia + Sharada. I think they both need to learn from past situations.

Just because Pallavi is right in her intentions or her thoughts of reform (no illegal business, reduce drinking,etc), doesn't make her actions right. She is too strong for someone who is too used to being alone/living life on their own terms. Tbh, as much as I love Pallavi, I can tell she lacks tact and finesse. There's a way to make your s.o. change or begin to change their habits - being this forceful and stubborn isn't the way.

At the same time, Raghav needs to eventually work to get over his insecurities. He can't excuse everything he does with the fear of losing Pallavi. He can't hurt Pallavi because he's too scared to lose her. He's an adult and is ok to change for his wife - this is pretty common for couples, especially when one or both of the spouses have bad habits.

So while Raghav has every right to expect Pallavi to accept him for himself, she has every right to not want to accept him as he is. And he's so desperate to keep her, he's the one that will willingly change to meet her standards. He knows logically her ideas of change are actually good for him in the long run - he just sometimes can't let go of his ego to admit it right away.

@bold:- This I feel is the crux of the problem. Raghav knows that Pallavi's ideas are actually good but he just can't let go of his ego and admit it right away. That is why Esha could easily manipulate him - because she is playing to his ego and pumping him up. The way Esha manipulated before the press conference tells what the issue with Raghav is - He just falls hook line and sinker the moment someone calls him "THE RAGHAV RAO" because that has been his shield, his identity for so long when he was living as a lone wolf.

Agreed that Pallavi loves him as Raghav but Raghav himself feels vulnerable if he doesn't have "THE RAGHAV RAO" shield. He feels he will be hurt or will be taken advantage of it if his persona is soft. I hope this track leads to Raghav getting over his insecurities - Of people abandoning him as well as he being vulnerable.

Originally posted by: fria319

Thanks for the tag + reposting Shri!

Agree with Sonia + Sharada. I think they both need to learn from past situations.

Just because Pallavi is right in her intentions or her thoughts of reform (no illegal business, reduce drinking,etc), doesn't make her actions right. She is too strong for someone who is too used to being alone/living life on their own terms. Tbh, as much as I love Pallavi, I can tell she lacks tact and finesse. There's a way to make your s.o. change or begin to change their habits - being this forceful and stubborn isn't the way.

At the same time, Raghav needs to eventually work to get over his insecurities. He can't excuse everything he does with the fear of losing Pallavi. He can't hurt Pallavi because he's too scared to lose her. He's an adult and is ok to change for his wife - this is pretty common for couples, especially when one or both of the spouses have bad habits.

So while Raghav has every right to expect Pallavi to accept him for himself, she has every right to not want to accept him as he is. And he's so desperate to keep her, he's the one that will willingly change to meet her standards. He knows logically her ideas of change are actually good for him in the long run - he just sometimes can't let go of his ego to admit it right away.

@bold: I think its more of what you think is good for me v/s what I think is good for myself. His The Raghav Rao persona and anger is what that has protected him all these years, naturally he doesn't want to let it go even when he knows its unhealthy. Also, he kind of has a need to stand out from the crowd, just as Pallavi has a need of doing everything in the right way.

Originally posted by: laughingmonkey

Ex ka ex 😂😂😂

Can it get even more crazy?

Let’s see in the current scenario after Pallavi & Raghav’s separation,

Pallavi ka ex ka ex aur uska ex ne milkar Pallavi aur uske ex ko bewakoof banaaya!

How about this?

Could any of you make any sense out of this?

I’m so missing Mandaar in this equation. Bohot mazaa aata😂😂

Ex-Ception🤣

Originally posted by: euphoric

If this Barsi thing is Esha's trick then it's seriously a very low blow and I will be absolutely pissed if she get's a Nirma safedi dhulaai afterwards.

Her getting Nirma Dhulai is out of question. That ONS kaand, the timing of things around her, today's kidnapping it's just too much of a coincidence.

Soni I'm worried because look at how Keerthi has been whitewashed. The writers are smoking all the wrong things these days and I won't put it past them to show Sunny and Esha getting a character makeover once they serve their purpose. One thing I liked in the Mandar track was how they kept him bad till the end. I know people can change but the way ITV often makes it all bhool bhool hardly ever sits well with me.

I'm confused: didn't we already discuss that barsi was out of the equation? Didn't we see that previously? Has it been a year (in the show's timeline) already?

Creative liberty... Sab bhool bhool

I totally understand how triggering and insensitive this might look to Raghav/Keerthi or Amma who are still grieving even after this many years.

Agreed... But this really makes me wonder... Ek hi ghar main, if sunny knows about it how do they keep Pallavi out? No one thought it's important for her to know?

I'm also wondering how it was never brought up by Raghav or anyone. We might see a few days leap here, because RaghVi planning their honeymoon right before his dad+ brother's death anniversary is super unconvincing and illogical. And yes, did he and everyone just assume that Pallavi would know by some magical means? WHY do these people not talk anymore uff.

What I'm freaking out about is Raghav's reaction; if he snaps at Pallavi over this, IDC how logical or reasonable his reaction might be, I'll be extremely upset. I hope with everything I'm wrong. I'm STILL not over his reaction from that seduction sequence. It was not okay, and I know Pallavi has a HUMONGOUS heart so she can forgive and forget Raghav's behavior but I'm petty and I refuse to forget.

I have always hated his stance of mera family, mera business, mera behan, mera amma, mera appa... While she always says humara... He's still to internalize that she's a part of everything that is his! And if it's his brother and father's barsi, why didn't he think to include his wife into this?

I am very upset that they never ventured into Pallavi's emotions after his rejection. That was so so not done. If he wanted to leave, he could have made an excuse but this snapping business is just too much.

Like Sharada said, he's been a lone wolf all his life. He craves for love and companionship, and maybe that's why it's always "mera", because he wants to assure himself that they are truly his own and nothing can take that away from him. Even Pallavi used to refer to D house members as "meri aai" and "mere baba" because she found a sense of belonging through that. Raghav is extremely protective of his family and thinks that no one else can take care of them the way he can (remember how he wasn't ready to listen to Pallavi during Keerthi-Sunny incident). He is yet to learn that marriage means sharing your life and your relationships too, and your partners usually have the best interests at heart when they do something for 'your' family members.

Esha's plan is perhaps to have Pallavi cornered by destroying her relationships with the Raos on every level so she is eventually thrown out of RR mansion and their lives and Esha can take her place (Lord, even typing this makes me nauseous ).

I know. And for this, the woman who actually got them together has to take the humiliation. I am expecting she's going to paint a low picture of her even with jewelry designing thing.

Coming to the recent bts we saw, why does Pallavi have to go back to D house though? I know they can't show outdoor locations but they can use the sets to show some place else right?

They just keep shuffling from D house to RR mansion. I so wish they had moved Pallavi to Kolhapur. And tbh, I didn't want her to leave RR mansion too but emotionally distance herself from Raghav. Don't know how to put it, but acc to me this would have pained him more and would have been an absolute taste of his own medicine to him. Let him know how it is to be so close to the one you love yet not being able to reach out to them. How it is when you are shunned and shut out... Let him see the consequences of his doings... Let him realize how would he feel when he's not able to reach out to her even when she's in front of his eyes. Let him know that this is what he has done to her.

Soni I wanted an emotionally distant Pallavi too, and I think many of us did. I wanted one during the ACP track but nada. Raghav would be in 100x more pain and grief if he simply ceased to exist for Pallavi despite being near her. Physical pain is absolutely nothing for this guy. In the initial episodes, it was Amma Rao's coldness and her refusal to call him her son that made him suffer more than anything anyone else did. This guy cannot bear his loved ones shunning him out because for all his talks about money and power, nothing holds any value to him if his people are not there with him. IDK why Pallavi has to shift to D house every time something happens, and I was talking about this earlier with Sharada too--if they wanted Pallavi to leave, they could've easily setup a different room as a different location (like Kolhapur, or even a friend's house) where Pallavi moved.

She should just stop acknowledging him altogether, pronto. I know the writers won't give us what we want so I'm already expecting to be disappointed but I really really hope for some cold and silent treatment from Pallavi.

I want Raghav to grovel until he bleeds, emotionally and physically. Unless ss completely ruins RaghVi, I'll love them and root for them but right now Raghav needs a reckoning and it's long due.

Raghav became too complacent with Pallavi most Mandar. Because I guess he feel that whatever he does, she won't leave. Or he's simply taken her for granted. This needs to change... He can't keep lying... He can't keep shunning her... And I want him to realize the worth of what he have with her. For that, if he has to beg, cry or move mountains... I am up for that!

I was reading Fria's post (which I absolutely agreed with) and I'd repeat it here: he doesn't think he deserves her, he never has. All these times, I knew it came from a place of insecurity and self-loathing, which I could actually relate to. It happens to people who don't think they deserve to be loved no matter what you say to them. However, for this track solely, he actually isn't worthy of Pallavi's love or trust.

This is the same guy who was ready to drink VD's feet-soaked water just to keep his promise to Pallavi (and he was just starting to develop feelings for her back then, he wasn't even in love). This is the same guy who was ready to kill Mandar, go to jail and then also shoot himself when Mandar had Pallavi at knifepoint, because he wanted to save her and ensure her happiness. He practically died when he saw Pallavi flatlining during the ACP track because a life without her was not worth living for him. He loves her, and realizes her love for him too, and I don't think he's taken her for granted but he always had to fight all these external forces to keep her in his life. This time it's a fight he has within himself, and he's not doing a good job here. He's failing. Terribly. He says he loves her and doesn't want to hurt her but what use are these claims if his actions do the exact opposite? Actions speak louder than words, and it'd be no wonder if Pallavi's devastated upon learning the truth. Didn't he feel the same when Pallavi pretended to fight with him and asked for a divorce in front of Mandar and the D- family?

^My responses in blue.

Originally posted by: PSharada

Are you talking about KHKT Ru? That is different scenario. Here SS is shooting with only 2 sets - either D house or RR Mansion so obviously he needs Pallavi to be back in RR Mansion soon enough to have the tashan go on or get Raghav to D house.

Also since the shooting is in Kolhapur there is hardly any crew or actors they can get to come in at the drop of hat. So I guess they get to do with the same cast and same setups. That is why I think the separation will be short.

Yeah that's what I meant.

You know what, and this is just my mind going off on a random tangent😆: I'm starting to think this separation might not be that bad. As long as we don't have to sit through EshGu and their almost marriage, I can deal. The recent bts/live I saw of Sai (it was recent I think) had Pallavi in the D-house with "Pyaar hain ya sazaa" in the bg, so we'll definitely have some episodes with rona-dhona and the missing but it should be interesting afterwards (unless the writers want to flood the sets with RaghVi's tears and nothing else is left to watch in the show). Heck, I wouldn't even mind if they bring in a non-creepy, non-psycho, non-ex cameo guy who'll help Pallavi out with her business/life as a friend. I don't usually like the jealousy track but if it drives Raghav mad, I'm in😆 Aankhein taras gayi hain meri to see some normal relationships in the show. I remember how NK's entry (who had a small crush on the FL Khushi but was a great friend to her) in IPK made Arnav so restless but then again, SS is probably incapable of showing a non-creepy, normal guy-girl friendship so never mind😳

Originally posted by: PSharada

Gayu it all depends on how you look at the situation. We think Raghav crossed the line because of the ONS. What if it was a trap of Esha to emotionally manipulate Raghav? Will we still be so strong on him? Mandar too tried to create MUs by drugging Pallavi and Raghav too had a doubt but he asked about it and then when Pallavi said she did not remember anything he left at that right. So why shouldn't Pallavi forgive Raghav if it comes out that Esha tried the whole stunt by herself and nothing actually happened that night.

I don't know about others but I feel if we can forgive Pallavi for being naive and falling in trap of Mandar in her insaaniyat and farz thing, we should be at least able to give Raghav the benefit of doubt that he is being manipulated by Esha. Raghav lying is unfortunately what is going to cause the destruction because Pallavi never hide anything from Raghav and hence they were able to tide over Mandar thing. Here Raghav lying and hiding things is unfortunately going to come and bite Raghav in his rear end.

I think Sickand's story was based on the MUs happening between the couple. Unfortunately he was not able to show it with Mandar because Fandom jumped on him from the moment the news of Ashok being casted came out. So he is telling his story with Raghav because he thinks that is his core story. As a creator I think we should give him that much leeway to tell his story as this is his vision.

Yeah, let me clarify that when I say I want Raghav to suffer, I want him to suffer for everything that happened after the ONS, everything that he could've done differently but didn't. Maybe I'm too far gone in the cray cray land but I still want to believe nothing happened between the two and it's all Esha's plan. Coming back to Raghav, there were times in this track where I defended his actions because I could see why he was doing/not doing certain things but that doesn't mean it was okay to do those things. What he is choosing to do now is largely his fault, and he deserves to get payback for that.

I don't understand how EMA or ONS MUs can be the core of a story, especially a story like this where we have bigger tracks to explore but it's ITV so anything can happen, and it's his story anyway so who are we to decide. I'm just slightly disappointed because this sort of tracks always end up altering the lead character arcs, and not in a good way. I'm hoping we won't get that here and that ss has a plan lol.

Just a quick opinion about why P has to go D house every time - bc that’s what married woman do 🤣. I think it’s normal to just go to your moms house when your fighting with your spouse. It would be one thing if it was a year or two of separation and she’s still at d house (but this is also india and they’ve shown how traditional P actually is - so if she’s not with her husband, she will be with her parents) but immediately or within the first couple of months of separation - often times people stay with their close relatives, esp maayka. I don’t think it’s out of the norm at all.

Originally posted by: fria319

Just a quick opinion about why P has to go D house every time - bc that’s what married woman do 🤣. I think it’s normal to just go to your moms house when your fighting with your spouse. It would be one thing if it was a year or two of separation and she’s still at d house (but this is also india and they’ve shown how traditional P actually is - so if she’s not with her husband, she will be with her parents) but immediately or within the first couple of months of separation - often times people stay with their close relatives, esp maayka. I don’t think it’s out of the norm at all.

Hehe true, I know it's the most normal thing to do. I'm just personally tired seeing her in the D house lol, It's so easy to forget she has another family with her brother and SIL in Kolhapur too😆 I guess they would've shown other locations if not for COVID.

So today's synopsis has Pallavi feeling insecure. I am thinking we will get the reveal in Saturday's episode or at least as a precap.