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Posted: 10 years ago
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Sandhya my poppet,

Kya ho gaya hai aapko? Kahin bhang to nahin pee li, ki ek ke baad ek itne behatareen chutkule phowware ke saman phoot rahe hain?

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

Also Rao went AWOL for sometime. He probably went to troop in the neighbors.🤣

Am tired of Shivanand and Rudra's daadiyish dharma statements. Am looking forward to Dhansh vs. MB. Only these two seem to have their thinking caps on. And thankfully Tiwari too though only in flashes.

Yes Aunty. The actor playing Dhansh did seem OTT in the beginning. But his OTTness has begun to look natural and in sync with what he is rather than irritate.

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Shymaladi to understand Bhagavad Gita written in Sanskrit you need the right Guru or right intrapretor,but the principles of Gita JK Rowling managed to bring it very interestingly through a fantasy story called Harry Potter.
Something liked by new generation in their way. Whereas we don't inculcate our culture in right way to our current generation. Everything stands still 5000 years back and is called old outdated ignoring the knowledge that lies there.
yes MB-Dansh will be the fireworks that will be interesting, otherwise with Maya up I am expecting Leela-Rudra-Maya Prem Kahani only😆
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Posted: 10 years ago
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My dear Shruthi,

The example you have given is spot on, and should satisfy even my little Mishti. It is also a pleasure to think back on, the pleasure of watching the most subtle of minds, the only one of which even Shakuni was afraid, at work.

As for your very interesting post on Arshi's latest thread, I am simply reproducing it below for the readers of this thread to mull over, with my own comments in blue.

Shyamala Di

Shruthi on Suspect No.1, Professor APG Rao, and other matters

Well you know that I am also in the same boat of people who think Dr Rao is not at all what he seems to be. There is more to him.

From the way he took Charles under him and if I remember correct that dream of Maimui in danger has taken Rudra away from the scene. Else Rudrs also would have been taken away by Dr Rao's men.
Now this, Shruthi, is a completely new and excellent point that had never occurred to me.


That Niyati took away Rudra from that point itself to me was a proof that Dr Rao needs to be suspected. He has undue interest in Saraswati Kund. His remarks though appear innocent, has more to it.
This, my dear, does not wash, I am afraid. Shiva is also interested in the Saraswati Kund as much as Rao, and they are both intending to find out, thru experiments in the Kund with that gizmo, where the vilupt Saraswati will eventually emerge at the Triveni Sangam . There is nothing suspicious about this at all.

Why he wants to know the antidote to Naga poison that was given to Maya and what has happened to that research.
This too will not fly, my dear. Why, any shubchintak of the garuds would surely want to find the antidote to the naga poison! That would be the single greatest advantage they could have in the coming battle. So why should Rao be suspected on this count? What he should have been asked, but was not, was why he had not got the antidote.

There are so many things about him that are really suspicious. And first pitting Garuds against Rudra in the name of books and now pitting them against Bairavi.
He does not pit them against Bhairavi, they do it themselves, starting with Charles. As for the earlier instance, when he did not agree with Rudra's decision to hand the books over to the nagas, that was a perfectly valid objection that most of the garuds bar Charles would have shared.

But as I have noted in my post above to Sandhya, there are many odd things above Dr.Rao that are puzzling and a tad suspicious. Let us see which, if any of the suspicions stirred up by them come true
Now coming to epi. I was thinking how they are planning to show Samudra Manthan. Because Manthan happened between devas and asuras under the direction of Vishnu. In the end Asuras took the Amrit with them and Vishnu tricked them as Mohini to get it back. So the deal Bairavi is offering Dansh is in line with mythology. Dansh is gonna accept it with the intention of tricking the Garuds, whereas Bairavi has larger plans than him is the fact. 😆. I agree, and I have used the MB as Mohini parallel too in my post to Sandhya, though she wants Mona darling to be Mohini!😉

Now the big question for you is, Shruthi, if Rudra has to drink the halahal vish, who will be the Parvati to stop it at his throat and make him a Neelkant?

Incidentally, have you ever heard of the twist that Dansh has introduced in this vishpaan tale? He told Leela that the nagas and the bichchus had come to help Lord Shiva swallow the poison by drinking some of it themselves, whereas the garuds did not volunteer for this. I have not, and neither has my mother.

See weakness of Garuds is their emotions like compassion, care, bonding etc.. whereas the weakness of Nagas is their brain or shall I say ego. Dansh had send Leela to play with Garud's dil. Bairavi has gone to play with Naga's dimaag😆😆, well we don't have worry about Naga heart, don't think they have one by their actions😆😆. Neat!
Nanu and Balivesh at cross roads was the high point of the epi and poor Bishop, but then we have a new villain. All the others I have placed in line with mythology but is new villain ko kahan place Karun. No clue as of now as he is not adding up. But it seems he knows everything about the happening in Mahakumbh . Will wait to see more of him.
And if my guess is right get ready for Maya-Rudra-Leela triangle, first MU was by Rudra on Maya which led to certain events, now most probably we can withness the reverse. Maya who wakes up see a completely different Rudra( Well shock for the lady, this is not the majnu I married😉. Ye tho handsome chora ban gaya, with a Nag Kanya by his side😉) and this lady will some actions which can lead to the final confrontation. Handsome to tab bhi tha, par lallu, jo ki wo ek had tak ab bhi hai!😉
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Originally posted by: shruthiravi

I agree with Sandhya. Some questions cannot be answered or will be answered in a different way. Bairavi ask him " Does this fearful man seems Shiva, Shiva was the powerhouse of knowledge" Rudra doesn't grasp, he is in insaniyaat mode.

Sandhya do you remember in MB Arjun tells Krishna before going to war with Karan on day 16. " Madhav aap mujhe bachane keliye chal nahi karenge" and Krishna assures he will not. But he does chal not to save Arjun, but to kill Karn😆. If he had told Arjun his plan, the emotional Arjun would have never agreed and would have moaned Madhav koi chal nahin😆. Then Krishna will be binded by him. So he just answers the question in enough.

Same is the case with Rudra. If MB tells him directly as Garud Pramukh he will order her not to do this and that. Some dialogue like " Maimui hum rakshak hai, aap aisa nahi karengi, waisa nahi karengi" so to this emotional Garud Pramukh he is only giving control that is just necessary and she still has the freedom to take decision.
@Shymaladi do read my post on Arshics thread. Cant type the same. Have given reason why I suspect Dr Rao so much. I have done much better than that!

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Posted: 10 years ago
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I agree completely with you about this, Shruthi. Maybe it is the hangover of colonialism, this automatic downgrading of our own ancient heritage. But things are changing in this respect, though slowly.

Shyamala Di

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

Shymaladi to understand Bhagavad Gita written in Sanskrit you need the right Guru or right intrapretor,but the principles of Gita JK Rowling managed to bring it very interestingly through a fantasy story called Harry Potter.

Something liked by new generation in their way. Whereas we don't inculcate our culture in right way to our current generation. Everything stands still 5000 years back and is called old outdated ignoring the knowledge that lies there.
yes MB-Dansh will be the fireworks that will be interesting, otherwise with Maya up I am expecting Leela-Rudra-Maya Prem Kahani only😆

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Posted: 10 years ago
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My dear Jazzy,

I will grant you that point about facial distortions in such no holds barred scenes, and there are very few actresses who can even cry and still look pretty. But if you remember, I had said in my mini-post on this episode that at 1 minute, this scene would have been much more impressive. At 3 1/2 minutes, it began to set my teeth on edge, but that is not the actor's fault.

I want him to (a) get his hair back, which is very likely a non-starter, and (b) start showing off his acting chops once more. I really miss him as he was. earlier.

Reporters has some odd, pleasing bits, like the time when Kabir, looking at Ananya rejoicing with her friends, is nostalgic about the simple pleasures and joys of his early days as a journalist. It was very un-soaplike!

Shyamala Aunty

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Posted: 10 years ago
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My dear Jazzy,

My comments are in blue.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: .Veritaserum



What Bhairavi did was unconventional; it doesn't matter to her, in order to achieve the end (to cure Shiva and make him return to his original state), the means don't matter. I do understand where Rudra is coming from; he does not realize his dad is possessed or acting in front of him, so his resounding protests and remonstrations fall into deaf ears as Bhairavi knows the truth.

But my only qualm here is that, HOW is beating going to cure Shiva?Where is the logic behind beating someone who is mentally disoriented going to restore normalcy? To me, she looked like one of those Victorian era witch hunter; her actions equally regressive and extremely harsh. I agree that the procedure looks not just too harsh but nutty, and I have said so here. But the point is that the script is going to make out that this is the only way to get the poison out of Shivanand, so starting from that (admittedly very weak) premise, one cannot blame MB. My other question is as to what is Shivanand is going to do now when he wakes up.

Something I'd written yesterday.

When the Garud Chins were revealed one by one, starting with Rudra to Bhairavi, it was so obvious that 7 Garuds constitute 7 different parts of the body with Rudra being the backbone of the team. Why must it be taken in the strictly literal sense of the term and Bhairavi has to reiterate every now and then? Just because Bhairavi says Shivanand is the HEAD or the BRAIN behind the working of the team, the rest don't use their own brains? Why aren't the Garuds self-driven? Even common folks are career driven, when hit by a roadblock or setback, they collect themselves back or at least attempt to and carry on trying. But here?

It is ridiculous, my dear. They are all sitting around waiting for (a) The First Book, and when Rudra got that, Rao said he wanted the missing link, ie Shivanand, so (b) they waited for Dansh to hand over Shivanand and when that was a fiasco, (c) they waited for Rudra to use Leela to get them Shivanand. Now that all has failed, they are happily united in cursing MB. I never saw such a bunch of do-nothings masquerading as rakshaks!😡

The torture/murder scenes, the tasteless and meaningless and chemistry-less love story were dragged to death -- yet, the most important back story of Bhairavi is not being shown( I don't even think they plan to show, or when they do it will be too late). The writing is very pedestrian, uninspired, pretentious ( barring a few gems) and filled with innumerable loopholes that my suspension-o'-disbelief meter simply refuses to work any more

I agree, we need Bhairavi's back story at the very earliest, but I am with you in thinking that it will end up as too little too late.



Originally posted by: sashashyam

Mahakumbh 78: A contrary view

Folks,

I could as well have titled this In defence of MB, for that is what I felt like doing after watching an episode that had many here up in arms about MB's excessive violence towards not just Shivanand but also the other 3 garuds, her haughtiness in refusing to explain anything to her fellow garuds, and her generally dictatorial behaviour.In short, the consensus seemed to be that MB had flipped her lid.

I do not believe any such thing, nor would I accuse MB of excessive violence. Let us take the shindy in the library first. The whacks given to the 3 garuds in the library were straight out of the 1960s mythologicals, especially the blows with a (magic) staff, that used to have kids in whoops. 😉What was there so serious about that?

Yes, MB could have explained a bit more to the garuds, and perhaps even she seems to be falling prey to the TV soap mantra: never explain even the simplest things in time, and end up fomenting misunderstandings galore.

Rudra falls short: MB does try to explain her modus operandi to Rudra, but does not manage to carry conviction to him, partly because it is his father who is being thrashed so hard, and partly because Rudra turns out, in a crunch situation, to lack the samarpan towards his guru, and the faith, the vishwas, the shraddha, in the guru, that are the hallmarks of a good shishya.

As Shreya (sp108) has put it beautifully in a post on Arshi's latest thread,

Here is Bhairavi who gave you enlightenment, who made you see the true purpose in your life. She gave you punarjanma. Have faith in her. Without Shraddha or faith in the Guru, no one can reach a higher level of understanding. And why doesn't Rudra question himself - can he have more compassion than his Guru? No. Absolutely no. If Bhairavi is beating up Shivanand, it only reflects her compassion. But what kind of Shishya are you who can't see the compassion and concern of your Guru?

I agree with her cent per cent. But then Rudra has always been a weakling in the spirit, unable to think a thing out for himself, swayed by instant emotions, and always having to cling to someone else's mind in order to be able to formulate his own ideas. The sole exception to this rule was the bombs incident, but it now seems to be the exception that proves the rule. In this, he resembles the invariably mahaan TV soap bahus, except that he is the wrong gender! 😉So it not surprising that at crunch time, he is found wanting.

Instead, he is, as usual, facilely emotional, babbling about insaaniyat and how he cannot see anyone in pain. I begin to wonder why they ever made him the Garuda Pramukh. It is ironic that his first sally into insaaniyat is directed at a non-insaan, the naga mole Leela.😉

Sinister hint about Shivanand: Besides, so overwrought is he that he does not even grasp a key point in what MB told him, a point that struck me. If he had grasped the significance of her warning, it would have been crucial to his under standing of what is really going on.

This is about MB hissing at him not to discuss the Two Books in front of Shivanand, for then they would not be safe.

For that one instant, as Shivanand's face was shown in the gap between Rudra and MB, I spotted a fleeting look of sly satisfaction in his eye, as if someone else were looking out of his eyes and observing the MB-Rudra spat with malicious satisfaction.

The next instant it was gone, and I wondered if I had imagined it. But after factoring in MB's warning to Rudra, I am sure that I was correct. Even otherwise, Shivanand's weeping and moaning and yelling seem greatly overdone.

I now feel it was all a sham, and that Dansh's poison is slowly eviscerating the garud in Shivanand and replacing with a sinister substitute, a naga mole. I have not seen the latest promo, but I am told it hints at something like this.

If this is true, the blowback of Rudra's lack of faith in MB will be terrible, for then he will face an enemy in his own camp, his former Baba. It might then be almost too late. But only almost , as this is a fairy story, not real life!

The pitayi: But as for the beating Shiva got, it was nothing, but nothing compared to the way in which Dansh murdered Daadi, with intense relish, and then killed 2 gagged victims in cold blood just to addle Shiva's brains. Not many here were bothered with that truly sadistic violence, whereas MB's pitayi seems to be raising a lot of hackles. I cannot comprehend this.

In fact, after the first shock to the viewer, it seemed to be straight out of the (invariably violent) Tom and Jerry cartoons. I was in stitches, and for two pins I would have given the relentlessly OTT Shivanand a couple of whacks with that lathi myself, for boring me half to death😉 - though not on his head, poor thing! Here they are with just 42 episodes left, and almost 2/3 rds of an episode, spread over yesterday and today, has been devoted to a snivelling, weeping Shivanand!

Then again, we know that MB is acting for the good of the garuds, which is a crucial factor.

Need for faith : I do agree that it looked very off-putting simply because the perpetrator was MB, the epitome of wisdom among the garuds. But for that very reason, should we not avoid reacting like Rudra and condemning her out of hand?

Given that she is wise and all knowing - something that she has proved repeatedly in the recent past - and that but for her presence and her powers, the garuds, beginning with Rudra, would be in an even sorrier state than they are now, should not Rudra have had more faith in her? if she does seem to be thrashing his Baba with what looks like unacceptable harshness, should he not have tried to find out why she is doing this?

It looked to me too strange that one can leach poison out of a person by beating him, but Shreya has pointed out that "when Bhairavi is beating up Shivanand, he tries to put all his strength to break the shackles. And that gives Bhairavi hope and she continues beating him up. It is the poison which has made him unaware of his powers. And Bhairavi is beating the bhoot/poison out of him".

Even without noting all this, Rudra, who owes his punarjanma to her, should have never assumed that she is doing wrong. On the contrary, he should have taken it for granted that there had to be a valid reason for what she was doing and he should have asked her what it was.

But he does nothing of the kind, and literally drives her away with a Garud Pramukh ka aadesh. He will soon find out the consequences of his lack of faith.

Red carpet for the naga mole: Rudra then proceeds to commit his first new folly: accepting Leela into the garuda fold, and ordering his fellow garuds (minus MB) + Rao to forget who Leela is and where she has come from, but you can bet your bottom dollar that she will not!

So I was right and Dansh has smuggled her into the garud camp, after slapping her hard enough to draw blood and make it convincing for her to pose as a shoshit abla naari, no, shoshit abla naagin. Now there is a chap who knows what he wants and how to get it. The garuds, headed by Rudra, know neither.😲

The Naga tunnel: Drish has started drilling in the Mahakumbh area, which reminded me of Ocean's Thirteen and the tunnelling under the Las Vegas casinos. Well, we mock our scripts, but there, they mentioned specifically that they had brought the Chunnel tunnelling drill. Can you imagine that digging under a casino? The whole gaming floor would have collapsed first thing. But they were not at all bothered with that huge bloomer in the script!😉 Nor, it seems, were the audiences that made the film a hit!

Shyamala/Aunty/Di/Akka



Edited by sashashyam - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Jazzy,

Your posts are always invigorating, and this time, you have been really very good for my morale! I had completely forgotten about my comment about it having to be Maimuyi to jumpstart Rudra. But that must have been long ago, perhaps around the time he meets her astral self at the Sangam. Were you reading my posts even then? I am flattered!

As usual, my comments are in blue.

Shyamala Aunty


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Shymaladi thanks for your excellent comments. See my basis of all other assumptions regarding Dr Rao is the first point. Niyati took Rudra away from the scene when Dr Rao's team reached Charles. Otherwise as you said all his other actions need not have this much scrutiny.
Coming to Nagas helping Shiva take the poison no Shymaladi I have not heard such a version. But then Dansh had hidden the original cheating done by Naga mother Kadru, so cant trust whatever he is telling true also. To make his point he might have created this aspect. Dansh story will have lies, like that of any crusader who wants to capture power.
Then Parvati before I comment on that aspect, I will wait to see Leela-Maya chakkar as I believe the clue towards that is in that chakkar only.
Also Seedibaat's comment has made my thought process run in another direction. That Amrit already exists but invisible and show has not able to bring the mythological concepts to contemporary world. Yes there are flaws in the script, but show has done tremendously to bring the concepts to contemporary world, because without somethings hidden in the script none of us would have been able to discuss this much. But the point is not that when seedibaat talked about contemporary world my though went to what does Triveni Sangamam in contemporary world means. We are in the old world thinking Rudra jumping to water, bringing one Kalash of Amrit 😆😆
Think this way triveni sangamam is the joining point of Saraswati, Ganga, Yamuna( Saraswati seat of knowledge, Ganga power to absolve all sins, Yamuna the life giver for the people in its banks). Joining point of Knowledge, Power and wealth, joining point of Purushartha Dharm, Arth, Kama( Moksha happens if you abide by Dharm and use the other 2 judiciously). Last part I am not putting it seems a tempting possibility, but then I am not sure. Will wait.
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

Sandhya my poppet,

Kya ho gaya hai aapko? Kahin bhang to nahin pee li, ki ek ke baad ek itne behatareen chutkule phowware ke saman phoot rahe hain?


Ab tak to nahin. Though i may need some given Chennai's scorching mercury levels😕 and our creativity less creatives dishing out one crap after another in JA and here. Too much mahaanta and too much weeping.🤢. i feel like whacking HB and JB and am looking forward to the witch track. Out here MB has done what i wanted to. ...whack...😆...so just waiting for Shakaal and Mona Darling...🤣


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Originally posted by: shruthiravi

Shymaladi to understand Bhagavad Gita written in Sanskrit you need the right Guru or right intrapretor,but the principles of Gita JK Rowling managed to bring it very interestingly through a fantasy story called Harry Potter.

Something liked by new generation in their way. Whereas we don't inculcate our culture in right way to our current generation. Everything stands still 5000 years back and is called old outdated ignoring the knowledge that lies there.
yes MB-Dansh will be the fireworks that will be interesting, otherwise with Maya up I am expecting Leela-Rudra-Maya Prem Kahani only😆


Mahabharat and Bhagwad Gita can never be outdated. They are applicable universally and have no time limit. Like the sun.

JK Rowling managed to beautifully and sensitively create magic with the universal values of love honesty friendship loyalty sacrifice and the ultimate defeat of greed vanity and cruelty. Like wonderful and bright lightings.

While to read and do routine works internal lightings would do, excellent ones like HP would be a gift, it can never match the sun. Lekin apne Rudr ke liye HP hi adkik hai.

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