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Posted: 10 years ago
#31

Originally posted by: happychappy

Shruti, the MB of course is the fount of all kriya yoga & karma yoga philosophies which focus on your internal life and external actions... It is the most perfectly balanced treatise.

This show is a different breed. It harps on Niyati and pretty much everything else is brushed aside!! Rudr gets knowledge because it is his niyati, not because he made any efforts in that direction. The garuds come together at MK because it is their niyati not on account of any efforts by their leader... These are some of the instances I was thinking about when I made that comment.


Mahabharat is itihasa and itihasas have historical validity. Its a masterpiece ofcourse. Whereas MK is a mytho-thriller.
How can we explain Garuda chihna on rudra? Prarabdha.
Meeting of Garudas in Mahakumbh-- could have shown in more detail(like Katherine and Thappadiya mai came without their backstory) but that didnt happen.
One of the factors is the length of the show. Utkarsh even tweeted that Shivanand's backstory of how he built the lab may never be shown.
How can we explain Nagas? Niyati.
So yes that is the only way you can explain these. These guys are not able to track the book. There is purusha prayatna involved. Rudra is sweating it out to find his dad. Again effort involved.
Swami Tejomayananda of Chinmaya mission jokes that its his prarabdha that people always ask him about 'Prabdha vs Purusha prayatna' or 'destiny vs free will'(if everything is predestined why make an effort).
I think its a combination of factors. Lack of detail in the script, short duration of this show and ofcourse the topic involved which puts lot of emphasis on niyati(which is fair).
Another thought that goes with this topic. They say
'buddhi karmanusaarini'. Our buddhi works in such a way that makes us act to exhaust and bear the consequences of our past karmas. So our intellect to an extent will follow our past karmas.
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Posted: 10 years ago
#32

Originally posted by: pasumarthisa

Mahabharat is itihasa and itihasas have historical validity. Its a masterpiece ofcourse. Whereas MK is a mytho-thriller.
How can we explain Garuda chihna on rudra? Prarabdha.
Meeting of Garudas in Mahakumbh-- could have shown in more detail(like Katherine and Thappadiya mai came without their backstory) but that didnt happen.
One of the factors is the length of the show. Utkarsh even tweeted that Shivanand's backstory of how he built the lab may never be shown.
How can we explain Nagas? Niyati.
So yes that is the only way you can explain these. These guys are not able to track the book. There is purusha prayatna involved. Rudra is sweating it out to find his dad. Again effort involved.
Swami Tejomayananda of Chinmaya mission jokes that its his prarabdha that people always ask him about 'Prabdha vs Purusha prayatna' or 'destiny vs free will'(if everything is predestined why make an effort).
I think its a combination of factors. Lack of detail in the script, short duration of this show and ofcourse the topic involved which puts lot of emphasis on niyati(which is fair).
Another thought that goes with this topic. They say
'buddhi karmanusaarini'. Our buddhi works in such a way that makes us act to exhaust and bear the consequences of our past karmas. So our intellect to an extent will follow our past karma's.


MK harps on Niyati. Agree with Happy. Isn't that true though. We think whatever we do or achieve is our achievement, but it isn't. We are destined to be what we are. Millionaire, beggars, Einstein, Hitler etc.. It is our desires that have brought us here, and that becomes our destiny and circumstances will be made favorable for us to achieve it or fulfill it.

Santhi's words 'buddhi karmanusaarini'. Our buddhi works in such a way that makes us act to exhaust and bear the consequences of our past karmas. So our intellect to an extent will follow our past karma's. Very true.


Niyati creates oppourtunity and the learned understand and make use of the opportunity.
We think the learned understand and cease the opportunity, but in reality, that was just meant to be. That was his/her niyati. For e.g.. a person is going about life doing nothing, living off someone, and all of a sudden he hits a jackpot lottery and is a millionaire. How do we explain that. My spiritual guru explained it this way: this person must have led a previous life as a slave, and had a deep desire to become like his Master and have to do nothing. And that is what he is doing now - nothing.

About Rudra, I heard this - that great men are not born accidentally. They are sent by nature because there is a need on the earth, and nature will provide them with necessary power, knowledge to fulfill its purpose. Not all great men are like Shivanand or some Maharshi. There are Rudras who will get the power when needed.

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Posted: 10 years ago
#33

Originally posted by: appukrish


MK harps on Niyati. Agree with Happy. Isn't that true though. We think whatever we do or achieve is our achievement, but it isn't. We are destined to be what we are. Millionaire, beggars, Einstein, Hitler etc.. It is our desires that have brought us here, and that becomes our destiny and circumstances will be made favorable for us to achieve it or fulfill it.

Santhi's words 'buddhi karmanusaarini'. Our buddhi works in such a way that makes us act to exhaust and bear the consequences of our past karmas. So our intellect to an extent will follow our past karma's. Very true.


Niyati creates oppourtunity and the learned understand and make use of the opportunity.
We think the learned understand and cease the opportunity, but in reality, that was just meant to be. That was his/her niyati. For e.g.. a person is going about life doing nothing, living off someone, and all of a sudden he hits a jackpot lottery and is a millionaire. How do we explain that. My spiritual guru explained it this way: this person must have led a previous life as a slave, and had a deep desire to become like his Master and have to do nothing. And that is what he is doing now - nothing.

About Rudra, I heard this - that great men are not born accidentally. They are sent by nature because there is a need on the earth, and nature will provide them with necessary power, knowledge to fulfill its purpose. Not all great men are like Shivanand or some Maharshi. There are Rudras who will get the power when needed.


Not being a believer in past life or niyati, I feel life is a combination of chance and choice and all we have to do is make the right choices, have good intentions, and adapt to the situation.

Each day, strive to be better than yesterday and keep progressing. baki as Bhagwad Geeta said, do your karma and stay detached from its fruit.
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Posted: 10 years ago
#34

Arshi,

As you said, scriptures do not ask to believe in destiny and do nothing. What we do now is very important and determines our future according to scriptures. That leads to the thing that part of what we are to begin with is due to past. So they say it's a combination of both. There is a free will with which we should act.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: pasumarthisa


Arshi,

As you said, scriptures do not ask to believe in destiny and do nothing. What we do now is very important and determines our future according to scriptures. That leads to the thing that part of what we are to begin with is due to past. So they say it's a combination of both. There is a free will with which we should act.


So true, Santhi, the scriptures were never to be followed literally, but to be interpreted as a source of lessons for life and values that are eternal and timeless.

That's why it would hVe been nice to see Rudras gyan to have come from a process of learning, discovering, unravelling and not instantly.

I wish the story had cut short the pre- anointing phase and extended the war preparation by all Garudas, where they go through the struggle of learning. This is too coincidental and maggi noodlish - sirf do minute mein


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Posted: 10 years ago
#36
Arshi
That is true story is tangled like noodles. Instant things are
Rudra ka pyar
Rudra ka makeover
Rudra ke chakra balance
7 th garud ka aana
may be some more which I have missed.
Many things are left for viewers assumption/speculation /understanding/imagination. MK should have come with more precise script OR more number of episodes to bring a precise story-line.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: seedhibaat

Arshi

That is true story is tangled like noodles. Instant things are
Rudra ka pyar
Rudra ka makeover
Rudra ke chakra balance
7 th garud ka aana
may be some more which I have missed.
Many things are left for viewers assumption/speculation /understanding/imagination. MK should have come with more precise script OR more number of episodes to bring a precise story-line.


So true, I think 120 episodes can be quite enough to tell a story, but the scripting has to be really tight with a 360 degree perspective. The narrative tends to linger over certain things and completely skip over others.

Too much attention given to RUDRA ka romance, RUdra ka gussa, rudra ke aansoo, rudra KI yeh rudra Ki woh, not enough to events. Abhi bhi, it's more about Dansh vs rudra and not about the battle of amrit - that's too much sidelined.
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Posted: 10 years ago
#38
Sahi kaha Arshi. It has become more actor oriented, trying to be bring out the best of GR. But many have already seen how good he is. I don't think anyone else got to a chance to show off their talent. Also to make Rudra 'the great', everyone around him have to be made stupid.
I also never understood the need for the dragged romantic angle, the wedding. How did it really fit into the story. does being married add any angle to the saving of Amrit, his role as Garud Pramukh, or to the character of Maya. Woh to coma mein hai, so no help to Rudra. Ulta she needs to be guarded and that means 1-2 Garuds are missing in action. Too confusing just like the tangled up noodles:).
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Posted: 10 years ago
#39
Arshi & Aparna
I appriciate your views . I agree with you. The tag line of the show is Ek Rahasya Ek Kahani. I am not seeing either now. Ye Kahani ka Rahasya kuch samaj me nahi aa raha hai 😊.
The writer wants to tell many things which are behind scenes but viewers will comment only on what is shown in the episode. Currently the story on platter is sure to invite criticism. It's less of a show & more of a discussion topic now. Compilation of all the comments can be bigger than the script for the show.
What happens in further episodes I don't know, fingers crossed
In spite of good actors & revolutionary concept for Indian TV, show has disappointed me. I don't know about other shows so really can't comment on them.

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: seedhibaat

Arshi & Aparna

I appriciate your views . I agree with you. The tag line of the show is Ek Rahasya Ek Kahani. I am not seeing either now. Ye Kahani ka Rahasya kuch samaj me nahi aa raha hai 😊.
The writer wants to tell many things which are behind scenes but viewers will comment only on what is shown in the episode. Currently the story on platter is sure to invite criticism. It's less of a show & more of a discussion topic now. Compilation of all the comments can be bigger than the script for the show.
What happens in further episodes I don't know, fingers crossed
In spite of good actors & revolutionary concept for Indian TV, show has disappointed me. I don't know about other shows so really can't comment on them.


Well, it really isbetter than the normal saas bahu fare and this still is several notches above usual television fare, problem is that the show had raised our expectations sky high and those are not being met. Otherwise it's far better than other shows in all respects.

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