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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: shruthiravi


...MK I would say has lot of spiritual leanings and thought processes. Even the flag in the precap carries the message " Vasudevaika kudumbakam" means whole earth is one family.
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Very good points, Shruthi.

Just wanted to point out a typo - vasudha = earth, so it's vasudhaiva kudumbakam

p.s. Dadi is rapidly turning out to be my favourite! Unlike the usual Indian mom, she is sharp and clear about what she disapproves of in her son, and no glossing over that!. So what if she spent the last 24 years not knowing if he was dead or alive...😆

Also, Dadi has to be the one who discovered Siva's garud chinn; he could not have spotted it himself coz of its location! The point is she simply sees it as a symbol of divine grace, unlike her son. Though why she didnt mention it to Rudr earlier remains a mystery - maybe she has a grouse with Siva's own views about his chinn...😕 If Siva's Dadaji also had the chinn, did he live through the previous Mahakumbh 144 years earlier and why does his daughter-in-law not know how he saved the amrit that time??? Mystery.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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@happychappy. Thanks for the correction. See Dadi seems to be a very learnt person and she does things in her own way.
She might be knowing lot of things, but since she has a lot of spiritual leaning she is telling only that which she feels to be said.
See the problem with Dadi is that they might know the larger purpose of life but then they expect everyone to understand it , than explaining it in a way they can understand.
Some things has to be demonstrated. Some questions has to be answered. It is when unanswered questions galore people go on their own and search knowledge. Then it is told you should not have done it.
Actually it is the lack of proper sharing the ancient knowledge of Sanathana Dharma is buried under lot of wrong information. Everything Sanathana dharma preached had solid foundations, spiritual leanings, it is a vast treasure on how to life live in the rightful manner. Not the simple rituals and worships we see.
The message has to be spread in the right way, by right actions. And I guess through Rudra hopefully the makers will show the right message emerging.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Lovely, Arshi, as concise but still as telling as ever, especially as regards the emotional nuances.

I loved the way in which Rudra was shown with his human frailty on full display, tired of losing and losing all those who made his life bearable, just because of this thing on his back. No wonder he feels it is accursed. But he seems to have forgotten his earlier attempt to get rid of it, with that rope, when too the skies roared in protest and the sea was whipped up by a storm, and the sign came right back again.So, given that Rudra does not have eyes on the back of his head😉, Shivanand has to give him a full on demo.

It is not easy for a young man, left mostly on his own for the last 24 years as far as learning about his niyati evam prarabdha goes, to be able to convince himself that nothing in his life matters but this mission, to which everything must be sacrificed, and without any hesitation. But he does come around soon, because this is what he has been created for.

I also loved not only the muted joy of the Shivanand-Daadi reunion, but also the fact that the doughty and obstinate old lady has not budged a millimetre from her unqualified disapproval of Shivanand's garud+amrit obsession.

For her, all that matters is that her family live up to its own moral standards, regardless of how low their opponents fall; thus her Gandhian comment that the 'Veshes were following their bent of mind but that they, of the Brahma Nisht Panth, should not seek revenge. Instead, they should get along with their tradition of self-abnegating service to the needy, free of ego and the feeling that they were obliging their patients. She dislikes any kind of personality cult centred on the garuda chinna, and she is not going to dilute that because her long lost son has resurfaces after 24 long years.

And I loved Daadi's bright eyes, not in the least faded with age, but dark like little jamuns and alive with emotions that she does not feel the need to verbalise. A wonderful performer, Surekha Sikri!

It is really clever of Utkarsh to have picked up the idea of 7 nagas to try and take on our 7 garuds, for as you have noted, it fits in very neatly with our pauranic lore. I am very glad he did not go in for some outlandish thing like remixed Dementors!😉

These sapta nagas do not seem to be different one from the other, however, unlike the garuds, for they seem to be all in lock step making exactly the same moves.

Let me share with your readers a fascinating story about the origins of the garuda-naga enmity that Mishti has posted on my thread. I am sure she will not mind. Here it is.
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Kasyapa rishi was father of Garuda and Vinata was his mother...the other wife of Kasyapa rishi was Kadru, mother of serpents or naags.

There is a story of a wager over the color of the horse of Indra...in which Vinata lost and she became a slave of Kadru, as decided upon in case of losing. Garuda requested his step mother to release Vinata, and Kadru asked for elixir or amrit from Devatas in return...Garuda defeated Devatas and got elixir with him, impressed Lord Vishnu made him his vahan...and Indra made a deal, such that the elixir be returned to Devatas...

Garuda took the amrit to the nagas and freed his mother Vinata ... Garuda asked nagas to first purify and cleanse themselves and covered the amrit pot with durva grass...when the snakes were gone, he let Indra, to take away the elixir...when the serpents returned, they licked the grass, thinking the amrit pot is beneath it...and thus, their bifid tongue cut due to sharp durva...thus, Garuda and snakes became arch rivals...and Garuda feeds on snakes but the latter also found a way out to counter Garuda by swallowing stone and making themselves heavy...the war continues.
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The garuda-naga conflict is a staple of our mythology, and it recurs in the Mahabharata, when the Pandavas go to Khandavaprasta. Only there the naga king Takshak features prominently, and there are no 7 elite nagas, which are an Utkarsh special!

Incidentally, as you would know but some of your readers might not, Rishi Kasyapa was also the husband of Aditi, a daughter of Prajapati Daksh, who was, as you would know, the father of Sati. Shiva's first wife. The 4 sites of the Kumbh - Prayag, Haridwar, Nasik and Ujjain - are those where parts of her burnt body, that Shiva, devastated by her atmadahan, was carrying across the world in his arms, fell to the earth. The Manikarnika Ghat in Varanasi, where Rudra and Maimuyi were living, is said to be the place where her earrings landed.

Aditi was the mother of all the Devas. His other wife Diti was the mother of all the Asuras. These Rishis seem to have really got around, with so many high powered wives!😉

To revert, Naanu and Balivesh have genuine samarpan towards their Guru Maharaj, just like a robber who prays with full faith to the Goddess Bhavani to make him succeed in his nocturnal venture!😉 Whereas Greyerson is like Big Pharma in the West, eager to bottle and market amrit at $100 million a spoonful!😉

My question here is this: Why would the naagas, who have longed for the amrit for eons, hand it over to the 'Veshes if they succeed against the garudas this time? Not a chance!! How come the 'Veshes are not worried about this prospect?

Lastly, re:the Guru Maharaj's comment that the Garudas would vulnerable only when they are weakened by emotional pulls, I felt that this would apply to Rudra in the context of Maya, as hinted at in the promo.

From next week, the real action begins, but Arshi, we have still covered only a little over a quarter of the 120 episodes, so there are bound to be lots of twists and turns. Utkarsh is going to have his hands full, but he has made an excellent beginning.

Shyamala
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Shruthi, reading your comment left me thinking!!
MK is just not a show or story, it seems there are lots of stories behind stories!!
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Yes Neela MK is a beautiful take on Indian Mythology with profound messages that are found in them. Indian mythology is rich very rich with its spiritual leanings, stories there have profound impact in today's world also. About Mahabharata it is said that whatever there needs to be said about Dharma, Artha, kama and moksha it is there in that book, whatever is not there you cannot find it anywhere else also. With each reading Indian mythology gives different perspectives, different thought process and knowledge and culture of people who lived more 5000 years ago who could predict the problems that can happen 5000 years later also.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Beautiful takes everyone.

@ Shyamala: Thanks for the story about the Garuda and the Naags vaguely remember it having read it long back.

Its interesting how Garud and the Nagas are enemies and how Naags are important to both Shiva and Vishnu and also the inter relationship between all. The show is getting more interesting now as the base has been set I guess, now to see how it moves forward.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Arshi,
I am pressed for time. But couldn't stop posting.

The first scene was one of GR's best. He portrayed Rudra's weak n vulnerable side so well. The way Rudra innocently n helplessly points to his Chihna and says it's because of this----- awesome. He brought out the rustic side of Rudra.

I am becoming a fan of Manish ji too. Such a controlled performance.

The other stand-out scene of the day was Balivesh talking about Guru-Mahima to Greyerson. More than anyone in the show, he delivered the most profound belief of Hindu spiritual process. That of faith in Guru. Shraddhaa is defined as true faith in Shastras(vedas) and guru's words. And Guru is one of the 5 or 7 fathers.

It shows how shraddhaa is present in evil too. Its the intent that differentiates good n evil. The intent to follow dharma.

This episode was a curtain raiser for the upcoming dharma yuddh.

PS: Shyamala ji, isn't sati's episode linked with shaktipeethas? Nashik n hardiwar are not among them.

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My dear Santhi,

A beautiful post. I see that both of us loved Rudra in the opening scene, and as you would have seen, I have rationalised his rejection of the garuda chinna at some length in my comments on prepage.

But what I was struck by in this post of yours is the reference to Balivesh's shraddha towards Guru Maharaj, for that is exactly what it is. I had described it as his genuine samarpan ( adding that it was just like a robber who prays with full faith to the Goddess Bhavani to make him succeed in his nocturnal venture😉) But your shraddha is better, for it goes beyond samarpan.

Whereas Greyerson, as I had noted, is like Big Pharma in the West, eager to bottle and market amrit at $100 million a spoonful!😉

Lastly, it is not just that there can be shraddha in evil(doers) as well. It is even more that by practicing severe austerities and learning to control the indriya, even an evil man can attain supernormal powers and siddhis, and can then use them, once he has set up as a Guru, to promote further evil. Like the Guru Maharaj.

The 'Veshes are pure evil, and so too must their Guru Maharaj be. But it does not follow that the nagas whose powers these three hope to use for their own ends, are evil as well. They are the ageold adversaries of the garudas, yes, but they are not, so far as I know of the puranas, in any way evil. It is rather that, in literal terms, their lifestyles and their interests clash.

But of course, here, in the context of the amrit, the nagas will be cast as proto-Asuras, and our heroes as the representatives of the Devas. It will be interesting to see if Utkarsh avoids the temptation to paint the nagas pure black. In our mythology, while the Nagaraj Takshak was wicked, Vasuki and Adisesha are samarpit to Lord Shiva and Lord Vishnu respectively,so it is much more nuanced.

Thank you too for correcting me re: the Shaktipeeth issue. That was needed.

You are absolutely right, for Ujjain, Nashik and Haridwar are not among the places where Sati's body fell off in parts, 51 of them, as Shiva carried her all over in his arms in unbearable agony and rage. Or, as in another aiteeham or traditional version, was cut into 51 pieces by Lord Vishnu with his Sudarshan Chakra, to somehow put an end to Shiva's obsessive grief-stricken wanderings.

Shiva is said to have set up 51 Shaktipeeths in those 51 places. I was correct re: the Manikarnika Ghat, where her earrings fell, which is thus one of the Shaktipeeths. As is Prayag at the Sangam.
But as for the rest, I seem to have the Mahakumbh on the brain these days😉, which is the only possible explanation for my having confused the 4 Mahakumbh sites - where 4 drops of amrit , one for each place, are said to have dropped from the kumbh as Mohini was carrying it away - with the places where Sati's body parts fell. And then again, Varanasi, and thus the Manikarnika Ghat, is not a Kumbh site at all!

Mea culpa, folks, and I hope this sets things right!


Shyamala

Originally posted by: pasumarthisa

Arshi,

I am pressed for time. But couldn't stop posting.

The first scene was one of GR's best. He portrayed Rudra's weak n vulnerable side so well. The way Rudra innocently n helplessly points to his Chihna and says it's because of this----- awesome. He brought out the rustic side of Rudra.

I am becoming a fan of Manish ji too. Such a controlled performance.

The other stand-out scene of the day was Balivesh talking about Guru-Mahima to Greyerson. More than anyone in the show, he delivered the most profound belief of Hindu spiritual process. That of faith in Guru. Shraddhaa is defined as true faith in Shastras(vedas) and guru's words. And Guru is one of the 5 or 7 fathers.

It shows how shraddhaa is present in evil too. Its the intent that differentiates good n evil. The intent to follow dharma.

This episode was a curtain raiser for the upcoming dharma yuddh.

PS: Shyamala ji, isn't sati's episode linked with shaktipeethas? Nashik n hardiwar are not among them.

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Posted: 10 years ago
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The Siva-Rudr reunion scene was the undoubted highlight of Thursday's episode for me... I've re-watched it a couple of times, and it's a classic. (I did not much care for the Demo segment where Siva torches his tamper-proof garud chhinn but that is a minor quibble I'm getting over with, right away.)

For all that we have been looking forward to the scene because of our involvement in the plot, the scene was so well-designed and executed that it is highly enjoyable on a stand-alone basis. The "choreography" and use of space was almost like it was a stage performance, and Gautam Rode's performance had shades of "abhinaya" so brilliant it reminded me of Kathakali artistes doing a demo of the 'karuna rasa' - not to say that any of it was overdone in any way.

The spot where they meet, in the darkness of the old haveli, I thought, signified that while they are father & son, neither really knows much about what the other has been through in the intervening years... The first few shots of their faces had a chiaroscuro effect with almost half of the face obscured by the shadows... a very effective tool for highlighting the intense emotions that both characters are going through. And also very interesting in the way it was "choreographed", with first one, and then the other taking the limelight.


For the first time in 24 years, Rudr unburdens himself, as you would only do with a parent - every torment and sorrow was unpacked, and you could only see the Child who wants his Baba to take away all his pain. (If anyone had any lingering doubts about GR's huge talent, they should all have been put to rest last week...) He stalls Siva's feeble attempts to get a word in edge-wise until his own litany of loss is exhausted! It's only when he crosses the lakshman rekha and says "manhoos chhinn" that Siva the Parent decides he's heard enough and hushes him! Not one more word, he says. And briefly puts Rudr's sufferings in perspective with a few chosen words - Manish Wadhwa was a class act, with Sivanand a study in dignity, restraint & maturity, and in total contrast to Rudr's unfettered, childlike & innocent outpouring. Both actors outdid themselves, allowing us to enjoy all the fine details of the writing, direction and videography that made it a gem of a scene.

A note about the writing -

I find UN& Co. very deliberate in their use of vocabulary & dialect for each character, so that we get a quick life-sketch of the person as soon as they've spoken a few lines! Siva addresses Rudr as "beta" not bachwa (Maimui) or babuwa (Sahadev) - he uses words like "viral" - did I hear right? when he says "ye nishaan ek sanatan sacchai hai jo viralon ko hi praapt hoti hai" ??? All his speech points to a very erudite man who inspires confidence in his knowledge (even if his own mother thinks he's simply too big for his boots!!) Only that 'parampita' bit stuck out like a sore thumb - sounded more like an import from Christian theology to me...

Rudr's speech on the other hand is always consistent with the surroundings of his childhood devoid of much book learning, but enriched with Maimui's earthy wisdom. At the moment, he is unfamiliar with the mechanics & flourishes of his birth family - he is very much Maimui's child right now. It should be interesting to see how his speech evolves as Sivanand, and of course his Dadi Formidable start to play a larger role in his life...

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Santhi, Shyamala, Happy,
It was a wonderful father son scene. Again what was striking was that Rudra was the child and Shiva very much the father. The way he immediately stopped Rudra at the mention of manhoos chinha, and took over, it's again as if, they were picking up from where they left off.

I also love the way Rudra is different with different people, he was very much the small anguished child with shiva, he is gentle and caring with dadi, contemptuous of balivesh and dalivesh and completely dismissive of Animesh.

Gautam is able to portray so many different shades of Rudra in every eisode, I am sure Rudra is not easy to portray!

Happy, as for dialect, Rudra has the dialect of the boy on the streets, where as Shiva and balivesh have the educated upper cast hindi.

He did use ,the word virlon, virla meaning very very rare person.

Balivesh never used the "tu" for anyone, it was always tum or aap, as is norm in UP, but the moment he decided to put Maya in her place, all pretences of being gentlemanly were discarded, and she became "tu" which is a very demeaning way of addressing some there!

More than anything also, I admire Babbal for picking his cast! All the charcters are able to stand on their own on their day! Many of them are not TV regulars, but he could convince them to come on board.

I am sure to convince someone like Seema Biswas to do this may not have been easy, but I am sure now she must be looking back at maimui with Pride! He picked up the best, and gave them wonderful scenes which centered around them, gave them great script, and even if the length of their roles may be small, in depth, they were not lacking.

Every character, be it dadi, nanu, even slimy Khoye paye, or his awful wife, fit the bill so perfectly! (Every character except 1, tht is, but even there, we can see growth! )

The people he has picked are serious actors, who are doing theatre and great work, and in this time when TV means mediocrity and senselessness, all credit goes to AB, to convince them of his vision, and then give them meaningful roles and scenes where joining team AB became creatively worth their while!

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