physical description of pandavas and pandav queens - Page 2

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Is Ruchiparvan mentioned in the epic? I thought epic Gave the account of only three Arjun's son getting killed in the war. Could you share the details about it.

Yes in only 1 sentence in Bhishma Parva where he is being attacked by kouravas but rescued by Upapandavas and Abhimanyu. Nothing else is given

Are you sure Devika married Yudhishtir post Draupadi Swayamwar? If Yudheya was the same as Prativindhya, then Arjun found him in Ekchakranagri. Since Pandavas lived in Ekchakranagri before Draupadi Swayamwar, hence most possibly Devika marriage n Yudheya birth would have happened before Draupadi Swayamwar. They left the child in someone's custody before Swayamwar to fake as unmarried.

There are two scenarios. In some texts including burdwan edition of which KMG is a translation, Yudhishtir is coronated as crownprince due to public pressure after Rangabhoomi, Arjun does a digvijay of western neighbours, Bhima goes to Dwarka to learn mace from Balrama and Sahdev goes to Brihaspati to learn administration.

Coronation (King or crown prince) cannot happen without a wife. It's mandatory, that is why Kashi princesses are kidnapped by Bhishma for Vicjitravirya at the time of coronation and Pandu marries Kunti.

So Yudhishtir must have married Devika then who was the princess of neighbouring kingdom.

But BORI has removed this entire section completely. So if no coronation happened as crownprince then odds are that Yudhi married Devika after Draupadi. Again IP had Yamuna as border on one side. The other side of the Yamuna was Sivi kingdom. So it makes sense he marries her to protect the borders.

So no clarity here.

Also the reason why Prativindhya Yaudheya mixup happens is that some editions of MB have the name of the prince Devaka after his mother. While some Puranas give Prativindhya a son named Yaudheya.

Also a lot of people presume Sivi King did not fight for Pandavas, that is wrong. Like Hastinapur Sivi also had two factions. One faction had acknowledged Jayadrath as their leader and joined kouravas while the other faction was led by father of Devika who fought for Pandavas and died at the hands of Drona.

Is Bhanumati the wife of Nakul Krishna's daughter? This I didn't know. Strage that he married the daughters of Krishna n Shishupal, wonder what Mahabharata would they have done in their house. But when did this marriage happen? Did it happen before DyutSabha? Strange that they mention Subhadra in such detail in Sreemad but not Bhanumati.

Bhanumati is wife of Sahdev not Nakul. Krishna Shishupal and Kunti's sons were cousins. Krishna's father, Shishupal's mother and Kunti were siblings.

Bhanumati is mentioned in Harivansh.

Subhadra got a lot of prominence and so did Abhimanyu and Arjun because the story was being told to their great grandson Janmejaya. He asks pointed specific questions about them. Mahabharata was narrated primarily as a war story. It was in answer to the question why did the war happen. So only those charachter's and events got any mention that had relevance to the final war. Others were simply found irrelevant and hence ignored.

JJ being the one giving dakshina and vaishayamapayana obliging him to receive it kept his focus on JJ's family and Subhadra and Uttara. That is why others are just one sentence and some like Duryodhan's wife or Karna's wife is not even named.

Lastly want to understand more about Shalya n his brother. Shalya was coming to support Pandavas but was tricked to support Kauravas by Duryodhan right? In this case how is it possible that his brother was also not tricked? Weren't they coming together? And why Duryodhan only tricked Shalya n not his brother. This seems very unusual.

Actually the trickery part was just political diplomacy and nothing else. Shalya wanted to be on Kourava side. He went. Most importantly his brother Dyutimat and nephew Srenimat fought for Pandavas as Vijaya was Sahadev's wife. In Indonesian Mahabharata Shalya has three daughters.

Banowati married to Duryodhan

Rekawati married to Balaram

Sukanti married to Karna.

In the beginning of MB Vyasa explains the war happened because Kshatriya had become a burden on earth.

What was actually happening was polygyny. Each king will have at least two wives. More often then not they will have sons born in the same year and with equal claim to the throne. Like Rama and Bharat or due to some reason younger brother would get the throne but older brother and his children would not accept that like Dhritrashtra and Pandu. Sometimes the kingdoms would be divided by the father to avoid problems like Rama did by dividing Kosala into two Usinara did. Even yayati tried.

But more often than not too many sons were being born and everyone wanted the throne. That is why war happened.

In the war all the guys fighting were there for their own throne

Kouravas Pandavas for Hastinapur

Kaikeya cousins for their kingdom on opposite Sides

Jarasandh's son and his cousin for Magadha

Sivi cousins on opposing sides

Kasi / Kosala cousins on opposing sides

Madra cousins on opposing sides

Satyaki/Kritaverma cousins on opposing sides

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Originally posted by: Chiillii

@ chiilii

What this polyandry marriage b/w draupadi & Pandavas . What vedvyas want achieve by this

What BANS gained ? They were only gulaam of Yudi & their independence can anytime staked by Yudi.

Ya I know Yudi is main protagonist of vedvyas mahabharat but still I believe BANS specially BA deserve much more than what they were reduced into.

I can only say vedvyas did this so that no other Pandavas can rise above Yudi , which will be a lose 4 Yudi .

I don't believe only Yudi knew dharma others don't .

What did Lakshman gain by leaving the comforts of Ayodhya and his wife behind to serve Rama in his exile.

Or Bharat, who instead of sitting on the throne lived the same life as Rama in an ashram outside the city.

By the way Rama does get Lakshman beheaded over an oath to Durvasa, as per Uttarkanda.

What did Krishna get for all his efforts in Dwarka.

After Ugrasen Vasudev became king and after him it would have been Balrama's turn if not for the Prabhasa fratricide.

In that era Younger brothers had no rights. They only had duties. To protect, to serve and to follow orders.

Doesn't really matter if the older brother good or bad.

Same with Draupadi. She had more duties than rights as a common wife. Including an expectation to treat all 5 equally.

The marriage was polyandrous for purely political reason. That the brothers should not leave Yudhishtir as without them by his side, Kouravas will kill him or make him their vassal.

It was not done to keep the brothers down or overshadow them. It was done to protect Yudhi.

And Draupadi had to be married to Yudhishtir to enable him to stake claim on Kuru lands. BANS had no such claim.

So for Drupad it was choice between Drauapdi as Queen of Kurus with Arjun and Bhima and twins by her side. Or just Arjun as Gharjamai.

Arjun did not have much options than be someone's commander just like Karna. Some chotamota territory would be given to him to rule and he would have to be a bigger King's commander why not for his own brother then. Do you think Drupad will make Arjun king instead of Dhrishtadyumn. Or Krishna will make Arjun king of Dwarka after marrying Subhadra.

Bhima would get what, live with Rakshasa in the forest.

Twins..Madra was following matrilineal inheritance but they already had two factions of Twins uncles staking claim. What would these two get there.

Under no circumstances could any of the brothers ruse above Yudhi. There were no empty lands where any of these brothers could start a fresh new kingdom. The existing guys would not give their lands to them however good or skilled they were. At least with Yudhishtir they had a claim on kuru lands. Without him they could only become token King's but actually paid employees like Karna or Ashwatthama

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Yes I made a typing mistake.

Bhanumati is Krishna's granddaughter?

Krishna would be like 1-2 years elder to Sahdev, and his granddaughter at least 34 years younger to him..

Matlab if Bhanumati married Sahdev at 16, Sahdev whopping be at least 49 so I guess this happened after the war itself

Didn't know about Bheem's marriage to Krishna's daughter

I am suddenly starting to despise Pandavas. Itni age difference me shaadi

Not Krishna's daughter , his sisters.

Both father son has same name 😆. Vasudev & vasudev bahut confusion hai😆.

Do vasudev Krishna's father had more daughters ?

Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

Not Krishna's daughter , his sisters.

Both father son has same name 😆. Vasudev & vasudev bahut confusion hai😆.

Do vasudev Krishna's father had more daughters ?

Achha achha got it I thought you meant Krishna

Vasudev (Krishna's father) had a total of 86 children from his various wives(Usko ghar kyu bolte the? Zila kyu nhi ghoshit kar diya) not sure how many of them survived but definitely bahuton ne kiya hoga. So definitely there would have been more daughters

Subhadra got importance only because she was Janamejay's great grandmother

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Achha achha got it I thought you meant Krishna

Vasudev (Krishna's father) had a total of 86 children from his various wives(Usko ghar kyu bolte the? Zila kyu nhi ghoshit kar diya) not sure how many of them survived but definitely bahuton ne kiya hoga. So definitely there would have been more daughters

Subhadra got importance only because she was Janamejay's great grandmother

From where does subhadra comes into ? What janmejay has 2 do with vasudev's other daughter. Bheem has nothing 2 do with Subhadra.

Pardon me , I definitely know what was her importance & it's no crime that u like Subhadra not draupadi

Repeating same thing hardly had any effect on me . I do know why same is repeated on this forum

Originally posted by: Chiillii

What did Lakshman gain by leaving the comforts of Ayodhya and his wife behind to serve Rama in his exile.

Or Bharat, who instead of sitting on the throne lived the same life as Rama in an ashram outside the city.

By the way Rama does get Lakshman beheaded over an oath to Durvasa, as per Uttarkanda.

What did Krishna get for all his efforts in Dwarka.

After Ugrasen Vasudev became king and after him it would have been Balrama's turn if not for the Prabhasa fratricide.

In that era Younger brothers had no rights. They only had duties. To protect, to serve and to follow orders.

Doesn't really matter if the older brother good or bad.

Same with Draupadi. She had more duties than rights as a common wife. Including an expectation to treat all 5 equally.

The marriage was polyandrous for purely political reason. That the brothers should not leave Yudhishtir as without them by his side, Kouravas will kill him or make him their vassal.

It was not done to keep the brothers down or overshadow them. It was done to protect Yudhi.

And Draupadi had to be married to Yudhishtir to enable him to stake claim on Kuru lands. BANS had no such claim.

So for Drupad it was choice between Drauapdi as Queen of Kurus with Arjun and Bhima and twins by her side. Or just Arjun as Gharjamai.

Arjun did not have much options than be someone's commander just like Karna. Some chotamota territory would be given to him to rule and he would have to be a bigger King's commander why not for his own brother then. Do you think Drupad will make Arjun king instead of Dhrishtadyumn. Or Krishna will make Arjun king of Dwarka after marrying Subhadra.

Bhima would get what, live with Rakshasa in the forest.

Twins..Madra was following matrilineal inheritance but they already had two factions of Twins uncles staking claim. What would these two get there.

Under no circumstances could any of the brothers ruse above Yudhi. There were no empty lands where any of these brothers could start a fresh new kingdom. The existing guys would not give their lands to them however good or skilled they were. At least with Yudhishtir they had a claim on kuru lands. Without him they could only become token King's but actually paid employees like Karna or Ashwatthama

@ chiilii

Did arjun did any digvijay 4 Hastinapur ? After Yudi's coronation .

Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

@ chiilii

Did arjun did any digvijay 4 Hastinapur ? After Yudi's coronation .

Check my reply on the Retelecast thread

Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

From where does subhadra comes into ? What janmejay has 2 do with vasudev's other daughter. Bheem has nothing 2 do with Subhadra.

Pardon me , I definitely know what was her importance & it's no crime that u like Subhadra not draupadi

Repeating same thing hardly had any effect on me . I do know why same is repeated on this forum

I didn't say this for any Subhadra/Draupadi comparison. That wasn't even the last thing in my mind. I simply said this because only Krishna Balram Subhadra (and sometimes Gada) is highlighted as Vasudev's children

I thought your question was if there were more daughters of Vasudev since none are mentioned. It was simply a response to that

@chiilii

Can Pandavas have daughters 2 which we don't know about them ?

Like acc 2 indonesia version arjun had twin daughters Pragya & pragati , even nakul had a daughter .