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Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Right it was still biologically Agniras blood

But still it's funny that Vyas didn't want his own blood line on throne

His bloodline was IQ-challenged. They needed Panchali. Prativindhya WOULD have been Vyasa's bloodline with Panchali's grey matter. Sadly, those boys (if they were hers) died. Still, Krishna's bloodline wasn't too bad in that department.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

His bloodline was IQ-challenged. They needed Panchali. Prativindhya WOULD have been Vyasa's bloodline with Panchali's grey matter. Sadly, those boys (if they were hers) died. Still, Krishna's bloodline wasn't too bad in that department.

Not Krishna's bloodline, Yadav bloodline.

Prativindhya was the best option to inherit, unfortunately he died

1. I strongly believe death of Panchala army and uppandavas was not done as a revenge by Ashwatthama for death of Drona and Duryodhan

I believe that it was planned massacre done at the instructions of Yadava.

2. Though Narayani Sena and Kritaverma's army are announced as joining the Kouravas army. None of them are mentioned as destroyed. Not just that at the end of the war Kritaverma is alive so is his son Bali, who is not even mentioned as part of the war.

So entire Yadava army on kuru side stayed as reserve and survived and only Kritaverma fought and he survived too.

Not a single member of yadavas is mentioned as dead with the exception of Satyaki's 10 sons. But satyaki's son asanga is alive and becomes king after the yadava fratricide.

Also every kingdom in puranic genealogies have their own lienages continuing after the war.

So we have Jarasandh's son Sahadev dying in war but his son Somapi rules after him. Same in chedi, sindhu, madra, pandya, even Kasi. No Bhima's son does not rule Kasi. It is Kasi lineage continuing till Magadha takes over. Kosala continues with ikshvakus. Matsya is ruled by Uttar's son.

Only Kuru and Panchala are completely annihilated.

Originally posted by: Chiillii

1. I strongly believe death of Panchala army and uppandavas was not done as a revenge by Ashwatthama for death of Drona and Duryodhan

I believe that it was planned massacre done at the instructions of Yadava.

2. Though Narayani Sena and Kritaverma's army are announced as joining the Kouravas army. None of them are mentioned as destroyed. Not just that at the end of the war Kritaverma is alive so is his son Bali, who is not even mentioned as part of the war.

So entire Yadava army on kuru side stayed as reserve and survived and only Kritaverma fought and he survived too.

Not a single member of yadavas is mentioned as dead with the exception of Satyaki's 10 sons. But satyaki's son asanga is alive and becomes king after the yadava fratricide.

Also every kingdom in puranic genealogies have their own lienages continuing after the war.

So we have Jarasandh's son Sahadev dying in war but his son Somapi rules after him. Same in chedi, sindhu, madra, pandya, even Kasi. No Bhima's son does not rule Kasi. It is Kasi lineage continuing till Magadha takes over. Kosala continues with ikshvakus. Matsya is ruled by Uttar's son.

Only Kuru and Panchala are completely annihilated.

But Kuru isn't completely annihilated either. Parikshit survived so did the son of Prativindhya and other Uppandavas. Although not mentioned, but considering that Karna's sons had sons who were in their late toddlerhood, all the Pandavas had grandsons (Bheem actually had a grandson big enough to be the part of the war) it's quite probable that even Lakshman and other Kauravas sons would have had children who were infants by then, even if not definitely Kuru lineage wasn't over. Excluding Parikshit who was like 40% (37.5% to be precise) Yadav, rest were not Yadavs at all. The son of Karenumati and Nakul probably survived, not much known about Yudheya, Babhruwahan was still a Kuru even if he decided to confine himself to Manipur. And then Kurus did the Ashwamedh to become emperor

It's only the Panchal lineage that got Completely annihilated.

But how does the annihilation of Panchal help Yadavas in anyway

Even I smell Yadav foul play in the way the events occurred but am unable to understand what would they achieve by it

I am not saying the whole thing was planned from the beginning by Yadavas.

I am saying that they took advantage of an opportunity that presented itself.

All the kouravas were dead, down to the last heir. Krishna conveniently takes Pandavas and Satyaki away from the camp, so that behind their back

Kritaverma takes the reserve yadava army, manipulates ashwatthama who was sufferring from PTSD. Massacre the drunk and unaware panchalas and uppandavas and walks away quietly.

By the time Pandavas and Vyasa turn up, everything is over and kuru lineage is already finished.

Other than the son of Uttara.

Whoever did not turn up in the war from the Pandavas side is systematically sidelined into obscurity. They other wives children are not there in any popular narrative at all. They simply have been erased from any scripture from that time.

The uppandavas descendents did not rule any independent teritory for them to be part of any royal genealogy.

I dont believe in divinity

I dont believe anybody in the epic at that point knew Uttara will have a son.

Most likely aahwatthama went after her and attacked her and she miscarried. The baby died.

The goal was total annihiliation of kurus. Atleast whoeever could be killed without any suspicions falling on them

I seriously believe Krishna brought another infant as heir and produced him infront of everyone as parikshit. Pandavas simply accepted it quietly.

1. In a war, it is impossible to say who lives and dies. If the Yadavas chose to join the war, they were risking their lives. Or they could've simply sat it out. NONE of them were obligated to be a part. Taking advantage by taking part is not logical. taking advantage even by being reserve is not logical.

2. Balram actually asked Krishna to fight for the Kauravas. Onyl when krishna said he was going to fight for the Pandavas did Balram get into a huff and decide he wanted to be impartial.

3. #1 and # 2 bring to #3. if Yadavas wanted to take advantage, all they had to say was they were going to follow Balram's orders.

4. Krishna was shot at many, many times. There was no guarantee HE would've made it.

5. Yadavas were annihilated too, mostly at Krishna's hands. If he were so into Yadava domination, Pradyumna or not, he wouldn't have done that.

6. Neither Panchali nor Pandavas were stupid enough not to see a taking advantage from any side. Even if Pandavas were, Panchali definitely wasn't. To believe she let it happen would be to believe she blindly trusted Krishna to the point of not even caring about the death of her own brothers and Upapandavas.

Originally posted by: Chiillii

I dont believe in divinity

I dont believe anybody in the epic at that point knew Uttara will have a son.

Most likely aahwatthama went after her and attacked her and she miscarried. The baby died.

The goal was total annihiliation of kurus. Atleast whoeever could be killed without any suspicions falling on them

I seriously believe Krishna brought another infant as heir and produced him infront of everyone as parikshit. Pandavas simply accepted it quietly.

Uttara was in women's quarters with Kunti, Panchali, and Subhadra If Krishna brought another infant, the women would have to be in cahoots.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Uttara was in women's quarters with Kunti, Panchali, and Subhadra If Krishna brought another infant, the women would have to be in cahoots.

Yes all the women and Pandavas must have known too.

I dont think they had any other choice left.

It was either that or openly adopt a yadav or niyog for Uttara or make any of the 5 pandavas marry again and have a child

Originally posted by: Chiillii

Yes all the women and Pandavas must have known too.

I dont think they had any other choice left.

It was either that or openly adopt a yadav or niyog for Uttara or make any of the 5 pandavas marry again and have a child

They'd done niyog before. And Pandavas COULD have married again.

I highly doubt Krishna did anything of the sort.

If he actually did, Yadava domination theory then makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.