Why didn't Arjun protect Draupadi? - Page 6

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

Hi. 😊

About the superficial bit i think i got confused with the way statement was worded it felt like arjun went there just for archery competition and not win panchali s hand in marriage which i think was prime motive because as you said the pandavas were dire consequences

About the potter house scene i also have another theory that not only did pandavas needed this alliance but so did panchal+Krishna wanted this alliance. And that is why this grand scheme of swaymawar was established. Not for arjun but mainly for yudhishtra. The plan was to seek out yudhishtra Arjun was just the medium because yudhishtra himself would have never no Matt how attracted he was would have ever try to seek drapaudi actively hence archery competition was set up to lure arjun. This also gives us reason why drapaudi who is smart opinionated woman was silent it was mutually beneficial relationship. Plus i personally dont find anything wrong in this as long as you respect and understanding in a relationship it should be ok.

Even my assumption is based considering them ad humans and not demi gods

That's what I was telling a few pages back as well. Arjun was the medium with which Draupadi's swayamvar could be won and since he was the only one who could be able to win it among Pandavs. Actually if you think about it, almost everything is preplanned here by Krishna and Vyasa (sometimes). XD

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark

That's what I was telling a few pages back as well. Arjun was the medium with which Draupadi's swayamvar could be won and since he was the only one who could be able to win it among Pandavs. Actually if you think about it, almost everything is preplanned here by Krishna and Vyasa (sometimes). XD

Yeah i think we both were saying the same thing in different words.

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark

Can anyone provide the citations that Arjun spoke up during the Cheer Haran incident. I am eager to know what he said as per KMG version. I don't remember reading anything about him speaking up, but I maybe wrong since someone said he did speak up. So it would be great if someone provides the citations.

"Duryodhana, hearing Vidura thus speak, said,--'I am willing to abide by the words of Bhima, of Arjuna and of the twins. Let them say that Yudhishthira is not their master. Yajnaseni will then be freed from her state of bondage."

"Arjuna at this, said,--"This illustrious son of Kunti, king Yudhishthira the just, was certainly our master before he began to play. But having lost himself, let all the Kauravas judge whose master he could be after that."

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m02/m02070.htm

This was after Karna tells Panchali to select a man from the court, Suyodhana shows his thigh, and Karna orders Dusshasana to take her to inner apartments.

I'm sure Arjuna knew what would happen.

After he makes his statement, jackals start to howl, and Dhritharashtra offers to set her free. Suyodhana couldn't object because he'd just offered exactly the same if one of the Pandavas spoke up.

Originally posted by: .Lonewalker.

But you can't judge someone from Dwapar Yuga with your 2020's mindset na? Things used to be different back then.

His "inability to anything" comes from him being gambled off to Kauravs by his elder brother. To prevent this, he had to protest when his elder brother staked him & deny the claim that his elder brother own him. But if he did this, people back then would have called him Adharmi as he is not devoted enough to his "Pita Saman Jesth Bhrata" 😆 He spoke up in Draupadi's support, but couldn't do that for himself since he had to admit his brother's ownership on him.

In larger scheme of things, Arjun was a Kshatriya, Kshatriya Dharma compels him to protect his people, What I am trying to say is that how can everyone put everything at stake because Yudhishthira wanted to gamble? Do you see, gambling, itself is not a noble thing to do then someone who can gamble away his assets, his brother's assets, himself, wife of his brothers Draupadi, is not correct. I would understand if the sacrifice was being made for something important, the dude was gambling and losing 🙆‍♀️

People keep saying Bheema supported Panchali in dice hall. No, he didn't. Yes, he did a lot of lamenting it was happening. Yes, he threatened the Kauravas. But he actually bluntly states that Yudhishtira had every right to stake Panchali.

Bheeshma and Karna and Suyodhana were the main ones from the Kaurava side who kept arguing she was a slave.

Arjuna was the only one to break ranks against the evil mindset from the Pandava side. Vikarna and Vidura did, too, from Kaurava side.

Originally posted by: MahanalayakKarn

"Duryodhana, hearing Vidura thus speak, said,--'I am willing to abide by the words of Bhima, of Arjuna and of the twins. Let them say that Yudhishthira is not their master. Yajnaseni will then be freed from her state of bondage."

"Arjuna at this, said,--"This illustrious son of Kunti, king Yudhishthira the just, was certainly our master before he began to play. But having lost himself, let all the Kauravas judge whose master he could be after that."

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m02/m02070.htm

This was after Karna tells Panchali to select a man from the court, Suyodhana shows his thigh, and Karna orders Dusshasana to take her to inner apartments.

I'm sure Arjuna knew what would happen.

After he makes his statement, jackals start to howl, and Dhritharashtra offers to set her free. Suyodhana couldn't object because he'd just offered exactly the same if one of the Pandavas spoke up.

Okay, so as per these citations he only said that Yudhishthir is no longer their master since he lost himself in the bet. Right?

Which still means- he didn't exactly very clearly protest against the humiliation of Drau or did anything to stop it, if I go by the citations.

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My mom is yelling at me now for asking questions 🙄🙄

So, You guys have to bear with my stupidity 😭

I have a few questions 🐶

1 Why didn't Yudhisthira bet himself before his brothers? I mean, What good brother would bet his brothers before himself? 😯😯😯😯

2 Why didn't Yudhisthira bet his other wives? If I am not wrong, he had 3 wives

Originally posted by: MahanalayakKarn

People keep saying Bheema supported Panchali in dice hall. No, he didn't. Yes, he did a lot of lamenting it was happening. Yes, he threatened the Kauravas. But he actually bluntly states that Yudhishtira had every right to stake Panchali.

Bheeshma and Karna and Suyodhana were the main ones from the Kaurava side who kept arguing she was a slave.

Arjuna was the only one to break ranks against the evil mindset from the Pandava side. Vikarna and Vidura did, too, from Kaurava side.

Out of topic, but I like your username. XD

Originally posted by: NoraSM

In larger scheme of things, Arjun was a Kshatriya, Kshatriya Dharma compels him to protect his people, What I am trying to say is that how can everyone put everything at stake because Yudhishthira wanted to gamble? Do you see, gambling, itself is not a noble thing to do then someone who can gamble away his assets, his brother's assets, himself, wife of his brothers Draupadi, is not correct. I would understand if the sacrifice was being made for something important, the dude was gambling and losing 🙆‍♀️

1. He did speak up. 2. Also probably because Arjuna understood then what readers don't seem to understand now. Losing the battle is not losing the war (not me; Chanakya said it). Arjuna couldn't use his weapons in court when it meant certain death. He preferred to lose the battle in dice hall and wait for the war.

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark

Can anyone provide the citations that Arjun spoke up during the Cheer Haran incident. I am eager to know what he said as per KMG version. I don't remember reading anything about him speaking up, but I maybe wrong since someone said he did speak up. So it would be great if someone provides the citations.

I read about it long ago, I don't remember it exactly but Arjun's support for Draupadi made them free her, I remember he had said that Yudhishtira can't gamble her as he was a slave and slave do not own anything