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Crazypheonix008

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Posted: 10 years ago

#81

Originally posted by: Urmila11
^^^because it was Yudhi who prayed to God for that akshay patra so that his people did not have to starve. & he also, ate after everybody, just before Panchali.

I'm sorry if I'm being a little rude here but I don't believe in all the "miracle' hogwash. A utensil that can supply endless food defies all logic. As Anu stated it may be taken as a metaphor and that too of Panchaali's attentiveness. So Yudhi has no part in it.

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amritat

@amritat

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Posted: 10 years ago

#82

Hi Krishna...
Welcome to our forum...I have heard a lot about u from Anu n it is from her that I got to
know of the Aryavarta Chronicles...I bought the books instantly n honestly have only started reading Govinda...
So, I wont be able to comment in details but so far I am absolutely loving it...
I love the realistic take on the age old epic...
Thank u for giving us your honest opinions on y u portrayed certain characters as such...

I would like to ask a few questions which may not directly pertain to ur books but its about the epic in general...

How true is the inversion theory?
And y is Draupadi blamed for everything?

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KrisUdayasankar

@KrisUdayasankar

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Posted: 10 years ago

#83

Originally posted by: shindes

Krishna was a master charioteer. The very original 'horse- whisperer' .

Even if 2 of 4 horses knelt, the axle would still be tilted. The front half would be angled atleast 45 degrees to back half.

Chariot lowering does not mean 'in toto' crashing of chariot to the ground!

It would tilt the cross-pole - the mechanism that connects the horses to the same beam, and thus to the chariot. However, even a simple bullock cart has a flexible connection mechanism between cross pole and carriage body/axle/ mainshaft. Unless it were so, your rigs would topple over very easily. For example: what if two horses on the left knelt, and the two on the right remained standing? Would your chariot tilt/topple sideways? Wouldn't that affect centre of gravity because one set of wheels would come off the ground? 😛

DISCLAIMER: Not an engineer!

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Semanti Chakraborty

@DharmaPriyaa

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Posted: 10 years ago

#84

Originally posted by: Crazypheonix008

I'm sorry if I'm being a little rude here but I don't believe in all the "miracle' hogwash. A utensil that can supply endless food defies all logic. As Anu stated it may be taken as a metaphor and that too of Panchaali's attentiveness. So Yudhi has no part in it.

even if miracle is deleted, one can believe that Yudhi ate after feeding everybody. I see no problem in taking this as truth.

Edited by Urmila11 - 10 years ago

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Dr Sweety Shinde

@DrShindeSweety

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Posted: 10 years ago

#85

Originally posted by: KrisUdayasankar

Found one. There's another in which Vyasa describes her. Shall look for that.

"Yudhishthira said,--'With Draupadi as stake, who is neither short nor tall, neither spare nor corpulent, and who is possessed of blue curly locks, I will now play with thee. Possessed of eyes like the leaves of the autumn lotus, and fragrant also as the autumn lotus, equal in beauty unto her (Lakshmi) who delighteth in autumn lotuses, and unto Sree herself in symmetry and every grace she is such a woman as a man may desire for wife in respect of softness of heart, and wealth of beauty and of virtues. Possessed of every accomplishment and compassionate and sweet-speeched, she is such a woman as a man may desire for wife in respect of her fitness for the acquisition of virtue and pleasure and wealth. Retiring to bed last and waking up first, she looketh after all down to the cowherds and the shepherds. Her face too, when covered with sweat, looketh as the lotus or the jasmine. Of slender waist like that of the wasp, of long flowing locks, of red lips, and body without down, is the princess of Panchala. O king, making the slender-waisted Draupadi, who is even such as my stake, I will play with thee, O son of Suvala.'"

This is YUDHISTHIRA describing Draupadi. Vyas is NARRATING to us what Yudhi said. How on Earth is this Vyas's sexual desire???

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KrisUdayasankar

@KrisUdayasankar

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Posted: 10 years ago

#86

Originally posted by: amritat
Hi Krishna...
Welcome to our forum...I have heard a lot about u from Anu n it is from her that I got to
know of the Aryavarta Chronicles...I bought the books instantly n honestly have only started reading Govinda...
So, I wont be able to comment in details but so far I am absolutely loving it...
I love the realistic take on the age old epic...
Thank u for giving us your honest opinions on y u portrayed certain characters as such...

I would like to ask a few questions which may not directly pertain to ur books but its about the epic in general...

How true is the inversion theory?
And y is Draupadi blamed for everything?

Hi!

I totally get your angst at why Draupadi is blamed for everything. It is a disservice to her, and to the intelligence of everyone around her to reduce the epic to the story of her vengeance. I also get pretty mad when people refer to the violence inflicted on her as 'dishonor' - her honour is hers to keep with her deed and speech, not someone else's to take away by tearing off her clothes. Not saying she wasn't assaulted, but this whole dishonor bit reminds me of 1980s movies where the hero's sister gets gang-raped and then commits suicide because the family's honour is lost.

(Sorry for the rant. Feel strongly about this one!)

EDIT: Ive just hit my 10 post limit for the day, and can't post anymore. But I did want to make one last point before coming back tomorrow to answer more q's, if you'd like to leave them here.

@Shindes: Please see my previous post: I did not say that Vyasa was acting out sexual desire, I only said that such words weakened the claim that everything that the rishis said/ that is in the epic is parsimonious and established fact. Either Vyasa could have been poetically exaggerating, or someone else could have put those words in later - either way, the point stands.

Second, assuming that we attribute some factual basis to the exchange - we are still left with the possibility that either Dharma or the Vyasa (when restating) provided said description. You will not that i said one of these two gentlemen must take responsibility.

Hope this clarifies.

Edited by KrisUdayasankar - 10 years ago

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Crazypheonix008

@Crazypheonix008

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Posted: 10 years ago

#87

@Urnila11 Sure but eating after everybody has eaten and staking your brothers and wife when you clearly know you have been loosing continuously and there is little chance of victory isn't exactly comparable is it?

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Semanti Chakraborty

@DharmaPriyaa

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Posted: 10 years ago

#88

Originally posted by: Crazypheonix008
@Urnila11 Sure but eating after everybody has eaten and staking your brothers and wife when you clearly know you have been loosing continuously and there is little chance of victory isn't exactly comparable is it?

See I'm not defending him for the staking part (though I can, I am researching on that topic now)
But let me see that we can't judge a man whose life is 18 parva long with only one day's activity. Only one day's fault (please remember that he repented for it too) cannot tell us the summery of whole character. For example, if I take Karna's insult to Draupadi in dice hall as ultimate of his nature & totally remove his good sides, then what will it look like?

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AnuMP

@AnuMP

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Posted: 10 years ago

#89

Much as I love a little spirit in the discussion, I have been asked to keep peace. Sort of like letting the fox guard the chicken coop😆

But we want this book chat to be an ongoing thing. Let not the moderators come down on us😃

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Dr Sweety Shinde

@DrShindeSweety

Explorer

Posted: 10 years ago

#90

Originally posted by: KrisUdayasankar

It would tilt the cross-pole - the mechanism that connects the horses to the same beam, and thus to the chariot. However, even a simple bullock cart has a flexible connection mechanism between cross pole and carriage body/axle/ mainshaft. Unless it were so, your rigs would topple over very easily. For example: what if two horses on the left knelt, and the two on the right remained standing? Would your chariot tilt/topple sideways? Wouldn't that affect centre of gravity because one set of wheels would come off the ground? 😛

DISCLAIMER: Not an engineer!

Whether chariot tilted forward or sideways, Krishna had enough mastery over his horses to literally 'bend' them at his will.

The whole point being that Krishn's maneuvering of his horses would definitely tilt the chariot enough for Ashwasena-astra to go off-target.

As I said, no 'miracle' needed here - just skills , foresight and presence of mind from Krishn. (of which he had AMPLE).