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Originally posted by: swathi.priya

yes., more than anybody in epic., Karna's death looked sealed very early going by the texts..

But., I still feel with or without curses., it was sure a death which was brought upon him unfairly.. He was killed when he was unarmed., while he was removing the wheel., this was sure killing a person unfairly though it was the oppurtune moment for Krish/Arju to kill him..

Without curse., if his wheel was never struck., Karna would have went on and on fighting., probably just prolonging his death with Krish creating a pothole like u said or someother kinda chal..

Originally posted by: ...Diala...

I trust the curse.. his wife knew about it and guessed that it came true before Karna's death.. Strictly interpolations dont repeat.. the words referring to his rival can be mere exaggeration.. poetic liberty..

Which one? Parashu's or Brahmana's? Where it is told that his wife knew it? That is new for me.

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

You are making Karna another Jarasandha: just like Jarasandha was born in half to both of his father's wives, you're making it like Diala & Riti both gave birth to the 2 halves of Karna 😈😆

Haan. But why to worry when you're Bhimasena?😆

Originally posted by: ...Diala...

Either or both.. I forgot.. Stri parva is the place..

Thank you.😊 I'll read it.

Originally posted by: .Sanskruti

I voted first option it was the right time for her to blurt the truth

koi extra drama nahi hota 😛

I don't think the Brahmin's cow was for sacrifice, after all, it was a milch cow. It may have been his pet, for him to be so angered about her death. Otherwise, Karna's offer to give him another cow should have worked just as well.

Vrish, I checked the Karna Parva narration by Karna too. But it turned out very interesting. Here is the event.

Once on a time, while wandering for the sake of practising weapons on my bow called Vijaya, O king, I had, by shooting many fierce shafts of terrible forms, heedlessly struck the calf of a (brahmana's)homa cow with one of those shafts, and unwillingly killed it white it was wandering in a solitary forest. The brahmana then addressed me, saying, 'Since, becoming insensate, thou hast slain the offspring of my homa cow, the wheel (of thy car) will sink into the Earth while at the time of battle fear will enter thy heart.' From these words of the brahmana I am experiencing great fear. These kings of the Lunar race that are lords of (other people's) weal and woe, offered to give that brahmanaa 1,000 kine and 600 bovine bulls. With even such a gift, O Shalya, the brahmana would not be gratified, O ruler of the Madras. I was then for giving him seven hundred elephants of large tusks and many hundred of slaves male and female. That foremost of brahmana would not still be gratified. Collecting next full 14,000 kine, each black in hue and having a white calf I was still unable to obtain the grace of that best of brahmana. A wealthy mansion full of every object of desire, in fact, whatever wealth I had, I wished to give him with due worship, but he refused to accept the gift. Unto me then that had offended and that had begged so importunately for his pardon, the brahmana said, 'That which, O Suta, hath been uttered by me is sure to happen. It cannot be otherwise. A false speech would destroy creatures, and sin also would be mine. Therefore, for the preservation of virtue I do not venture to speak what is false. Do not, again, destroy the means of a brahmana's support. There is none in the world that would be able to falsify my speech. Accept those words. It will be thy atonement (for the sin of having slain a calf).' Though rebuked by thee, still for friendship's sake, I have disclosed to thee all this. I know thee that art rebuking me thus. Be silent now, and hear what I will presently say.'"

Here is what different from Shanti parva narration.
1. He already has completed study under Parashurama. He had Vijaya then.
2. Cow's calf, not cow.
3. Karna was in forest, not seashore.
4. Karna didn't go and tell Brahmana. He himself found Karna. He was somewhere around only.
5. Sensible curse.
6. He was not alone. So possible that he missed his actual target & shooted the calf.
7. Here when the brahmana speaks second time, he says a lot unlike 'you wait or go, I don't care.'

Such big differences in narration itself indicate it might be fabricated.

Also in the same above link begins with Karna explaining Parashurama's curse. That version is more sensible compared to the one we both quoted yesterday. Going by Karna parva version, we can assume as you said- that it was Brahmashiras/Brahmadanda Karna tried to remember which he failed to. There no specific astra is mentioned. Here it is.
The curse, however, of Rama that best of regenerate persons, paineth me greatly today. I dwelt, in the disguise of a brahmana,with Rama in former days, desirous of obtaining celestial weapons from him. On that occasion, O Shalya, the chief of the gods, wishing to benefit Phalguna, caused an obstacle, by approaching my thigh and piercing it, having assumed the dire form of a worm. When my preceptor slept, having laid his head thereon, that worm, approaching my thigh, began to pierce it through. In consequence of the piercing of my thigh, a pool of thick blood flowed from my body. For fear of (disturbing the slumber of) my preceptor I did not move my limb. Awaking, the brahmana, however, beheld what had taken place. Witnessing my patience he addressed me, saying, 'Thou art never a brahmana.Tell me truly who thou art.' I then, O Shalya, truly informed him of myself, saying that I was a Suta. Hearing my words, the great ascetic, his heart filled with rage, cursed me, saying, 'In consequence of the deception, O Suta, by which thou hast obtained this weapon, it will never, at the time of need, when the hour of thy death comes, occur to thy memory. Brahma cannot certainly reside in one that is not a brahmana.' I have forgotten that great weapon in this fierce and terrible battle.
1. Blaming Indra here is unbelievable.
2. This curse too makes sense than the other one.
3. Karna already forgot the weapon, much before his last battle.