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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Sabhayata


actually i didn't understand this line by⭐️Draupadi

when did ⭐️Draupadi ever want 'pratishod'

after knowing the result of the war ⭐️Draupadi wanted peace not pratishod and thereafter its been established again and again that ⭐️Draupadi and ⭐️Pandvas aren't fighting for pratishod they are fighting for 'samaj kalyan' so where did this pratishod came in ⭐️Draupadi i didn't understand

⭐️Draupadi was ready to forgive dury after dushy vadh so where was this 'pratishod' then

Even in ⭐️Bharat world this statement doeasn't make sense


Yes epic Draupadi wanted pratishod.But its not like that was the highest priority for pandavas.Even Bhima who supported panchali this most in the feeling of 'pratishod' preferred peace



I agree, SP has repeatedly harped on the fact that Draupadi is peace loving and pratishodh is not the motive for the war but then they have a BG song called 'pratishodh ki agni hai yeh' and then Drauapdi's dialogue yesterday about her waiting pratishodh just confuses the picture

In the real epic, after Draupadi finds her sons dead, she lashed out at Yudi for having a war. Why would she do that if she was the main reason behind the war?

I'm not sure if SP has been able to clear that misconception about Draupadi or added to it...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: -TomNJerry-

Mahabharat was meant to be! ... no one was solely responsible yet everyone was responsible, they all somewhere contributed!! ... the seed for the war was planted long before Draupadi came into the picture ... but yes everyone helped nourish the seed (the 3-4 generations starting right from Shantanu all contributed) ... and it kept growing uncontrollably! ... at the end it became something no one ever anticipated it to be!!

But i think from the pandavas side Draupadi was huge motivation factor for the war ... there is a difference between motivation and being the reason!!





Thank you TNJ...you put it down so eloquently. There were so many people responsible but people chose to point fingers to the one woman who was a victim of the adharm prevalant in Aryavarta in those days

It's like blaming the Jewish people for the world war
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: divyasn

Droupadi would have wanted the war , but she was not responsible for the war , the main persons responsible are Bheeshm aand Pandu

If Bheeshm hadn't got Gandhari married to drithy or if Pandu hadn't ditched the kingdom -- the war wouldnt have happened ...

Afterall the war was for kingdom ... , droupadi's revenge was an added benefit ...


Thanks Divya...I agree there were a number of people responsible for the war, including the two you mentioned. You are right- Draupadi would've wanted the war to avenge her insult but that was not the reason they fought the war. I guess she got justice through the war but there were numerous factors and people who sowed the seeds for the war
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: amritat



Actually the motivation part is not true.
Yes she did try to persuade n brainwash Yudisthir, but despite all her motivation, Yudisthir was quite adament about peace. Even Bhima who supported Draupadi initially finally gave in n wanted peace.
In Udyog Parva, Yudisthir made it clear that he would forgive the tormentors of Draupadi, if they r given back their share of the land. Hearing this, Draupadi really got distressed.
So,no, Draupadi was not exactly motivation. She tried her best to motivate her husbands but her attempts were futile.

She was neither the reason, nor the motivation.
In fact the Pandavas refused to kill millions for the sake of their wife's dignity but ironically found land n throne to be a more plausible reason for the same.

Its quite unfortunate for Draupadi that her humiliation did not motivate her husbands enough to wage war, but 'land' did it.



Good point Amrita...I think Draupadi's insult did play a part in keeping the Pandavs focused towards their goal but if the peace proposal had keen met, I agree, they would have conveniently forgotten her insult and convinced her to forgive her tormentors.


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: .vineeta.

Hi Sangeeta this is Vineeta from QH..

You loved Draupadi ever or after Pooja? They have dramatized this character the most n it make me sick. Any of pandavas son died, she was only mother with worry.

For me, i believe She was born for reason n she lived for that, they use word nimmit and I would say that's what she was. She n Karna two normal human made similar mistakes as all but paid too huge price. Mahabharata needed to happen n like Kaikai made Ramayana she made this. Few were to be sacrificed and she was...

Else seiously, why make draupadi so big? She was with her husbands during whole time when others were alone for no reason. Why we have no sympathy for them n why still she was bechari? She forgave pandavas so easily why?

Mahabharata is one where I don't dwell on characters as none was great if you read more so if left on face value there is some respect still to pass on to kids



Hi Vineeta. Good to see you here. I've always loved Draupadi and that's why joined this forum. Pooja added to her character for sure😃

I agree, she was part of the great sacrifice of the war, born for that precise reason. My grouse is with people who blame her for the war.

I think MB characters are very real life like- all grey with all kinds of human emotions and that's why I love all of them. Each character teaches us more about life and how to live than any other story I've read...so I would love for my kids to read and understand this epic the way it is😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Nisha_90

Nice post bheegi...

I'm also disgusted wid so many ppl saying Draupadi is the real cause of the bloodiest war.
She was always the victim of the situation in the real epic and yes her internal curse lead to the destruction of Kuru lineage but who arise the situation? noone even bothered.. i dont understand this hypocrisy of ppl. dey are okay with a women being treated as a animal and calling her vysya but not if she asks for justice. wat kind of thinking ppl are having i dun understand.
I know starBharat always highlighted Draupadi's VH but dey never went on frm the real cause of Mahabharat i.e., Bheeshm. simple thought ppl praise dere sacrifices but the problem arises from the sacrifices which are taken without seeing the future.. He took three ladies including Amba and refused to marry her.. in Mahabharat the women are always taken granted and obviously noone understand a women who can give life can take life also..
And Gandhari it'll be better if i dun speak about her..she not only blinded her eyes bt also her heart and brain forever...jst bcoz of dat sake her curse affected Krishnas(both) yepp jst lke Gandhari many mothers cursed Draupadi and lead to her only children. otherwise i dun see any reason of UPs death the warriors who survived 18 days of the war..
End i jst want to say Draupadi is a amazngg lady and i wish each and every women takes inspiration from her.. she is the incarnation of goddess but still just lke sita mata in human form suffered the ultimate but never sat back and asked for justice.


Thanks Nisha...very well said. She was indeed the victim and also the sacrifice needed to 'cleanse' the system. That's why blaming her or holding her solely responsible for the war is injustice towards her character and sacrifices

No doubt she is an inspiration...I've caught myself asking this question when I'm in a quandary these days: what would Draupadi have done?😃
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: divyasn

nobody says anything abt pandu ... what was the need of ditching kingdom ...if not the cpnflict wudnt hv arised


I think the list is quite long...Pandu is one of them too😊

Krishna in this serial has done a good job of highlighting all the responsible people in his freezegyan sessions😃
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Posted: 11 years ago
#28

Originally posted by: AnuMP

Thank you Sangeeta for making this post

Its amazing that in this day and age, people continue to find it convenient to blame the woman. The war, as you said, was fought for the oldest reason, wealth!


She was not a nimith, it was not a generational thing. The feud might have gone on for generations. But none of the older folks decided to indulge in mass murder for the sake of land. Not only that they may have made bad decisions but they didnt deliberately make evil decisions. And calling Drau a nimith is the same as blaming her for war. Her VH just happened to be the most heinous of the misdeeds of DDSK. There were only 2 people looking out for Draupadi in that war. The rest were almost exclusively after property


Thanks Anu...I would add power to the wealth. Ultimately, it was all about power, wasn't it?

She was definitely not the cause (nimith) but the sacrifice of this large fire in Aryavarta

She was the victim and not the cause of the upheaval in Aryavarta...certainly not the nimith
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: shruthiravi

For me Draupadi will always remain the woman whose question in the dyut sabha changed the fate of Pandavas. The 5 men who would have remained slaves of Kauravas if she had not crossed the boundary laid by society. Draupadi put Yudhi on the throne by asking justice.

And she suffered a lot herself because she asked for justice.
Even today a woman asking justice is crucified. Justice seems to be a man's prerogative, but it is very clear that if a woman ask for justice, then she actually changes the destiny of the man.
But what to do most women instead of being light to their men , decide to remain blind themselves in the name of sanskaar.
Whoever says Draupadi was responsible for war, Draupadi insulted Karna I want to ask them these questions.
Don't men reject woman calling them dark, fat, poor family etc..Don't young girls for whom rich guys fall are told they trapped the rich boy. Why when a man rejects a woman in an insulting way it is fine, but when a woman rejects or insults a man she is supposed to get punishment. Can someone explain me the logic. I know the woman are conditioned to believe these things and that is what patriachial society wants.
But just understand that if Draupadi had not rejected Karna Pandavas would have remained nomads. It is their marriage to Draupadi that made them come back to Hastinapur and ask their share. And if she had agreed to be a slave well Duri and co would have ruled Hastinapur in a way they wished. Looting, Molesting.
So whoever say Draupadi was responsible for war think that if not for her a kingdom would have been in darkness.


Thanks Shruti. You've made a good point about the justice. Had she remained silent then no one would've achieved justice and the state would've remained the dark and cruel ages

It's sad that women writers like Iravati Karve in her book 'Yuganta' says that had Draupadi remained silent in the dyut sabha or asked for forgiveness and not questioned people, she would've been spared.

Also the insult to Karna and Dury are probably later interpolations as the critical edition doesn't mention those at all. After returning to HP, Dury did mention that Draupadi laughed at him but that was his figment of imagination

There is no mention of her sootputra comment to Karna in the swaymvar.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I don't think anybody has blamed Draupadi for mahabharat except for Ghandhari in starbharat. I agree with you and I didn't like that even after losing her sons Ghandhari neither realize her sons sins nor does she take resposibility of not being able to raise them with proper values.
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