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Posted: 11 years ago
I actually liked the episode today!!👏👏👏
Absolutely Loved the Krishna Gyan to Drona!!🤗 Krishna was even more Fiery today than from Yesterday's Episode🥳..n i Loved this side of Govind👏.. Man! Did Drona enrage Krishna with his Putr Moh to the point of being Blinded by it!!😡😕 Drona needed this from Krishna👍🏼...he needed a Stern n Strong reminder about how much Adharm he had done in the process...about the misconceptions he had - both about himself n that of what he had imparted to Son Ashwi!👍🏼 Who better than the Supreme God Head himself to help Drona come to senses, realize the number of wrong doings he ended up with n knock some deep thought of Dharma into him!👏 I so Loved the Fiery Krishna today!🤗 The entire Gita Gyan to Drona was so Genuine!!👏 Yes, Drona had used his Shishyas as tools of revenge..he prepared them for Pratishod and not for acts of Dharma n Betterment to the society as a whole!!😵 And against all claims that Drona made of being impartial to all his Shishyas, n treating them all equally, who can forget what he did to Karna n Ekalavya especially!🤔😔 Didn't Drona seek Ekalavya's finger as Guru Dakshina because he knew Ekalavya was a better Archer than Arjun n Drona was adamant on making Arjun the Sarvashresth Dhanurdhari Yodha?👎🏼 Why didn't Drona take up the path of Dharma then n strive to train Arjun to be at par, rather better than Ekalavya? And who can forget his Silent Participation during the VH where he chose to keep mum n side the K-clan?😕😡 And now...the blinded overflow of emotions for Ashwi😕..Indeed Drona had ceased to be "Guru" in the true sense of it n merely stayed as "Trainer / Teacher"😵😔...Drona absolutely deserved this discourse on differentiating between Moh and Prem👏..n Vasudev Rocked it!!🥳

I Loved hearing it too because being in the present Kaliyug, i think its important for us understand this differentiation as well👍🏼...so we can make the right decisions n strive to tread on the path of Righteousness!👍🏼😊 With SRJ playing Govind, these scenes only get better👏...rather they Amaze n Rock!!👏 SRJ...Maar Daala!!🤗 He Nailed it Completely🥳...the Dialogue delivery was Apt, as always those Twinkling eyes did most of the Talking, the Voice Modulation n change of Tone was Awesome, the Body Language perfect!!🥳 And did anyone else notice, how SRJ looks even more toned in these last two Gita Gyan Episodes?😳☺️ Govind looks all the more Magnificent n Supreme with SRJ's persona!👏 SRJ is pure Magic!!❤️

Yes, Nissar needed to mellow down with the emoting a bit😳..Drona was OTT on quite a occasions even today!! The high pitch scenes sounded too in ur face!😕 Probably, the poor soul is taking time to modulate n regulate the transitions he needs to make, from playing Guru Drona in MB n a Ruthless Bodyguard in Sony's Yudh!😉😛 LOLS!!😆...yes, he plays private Security personnel to Big B himself in Sony's Yudh👍🏼..well, its Goodbye to Guru Drona today..😭

On Drona's invite to do his duty, Dristh beheads Drona to a shocked, screaming n crying Ashwi!! Anyways, Dristh didn't have much to do with the beheading😳...Drona had already gone into meditation n his body had left his soul🥱.. Waise, those blue shimmering straks to represent the soul moving out of the body looked a little Funny!!😲😕😆 The reaction from Pandavs was Nice!!👏 I Loved Shaheer in that scene🥳..Arjun was Drona's Fav student n the pain so evident on Parth's face as he turned away teary eyed😭😭..

The cremation scene😭..well, i liked the fact that both Guru Drona n Drupad's cremation was set up side by side👏👏👏...n the highlight here being P-clan n K-clan had come around together for a Cremation👍🏼..all of them grieving, but none fighting over who was responsible for the death of Drona n no Blame Games like what we witnessed during Bhishmas downfall..Drupad was ignored during that scene😕...felt sorry about that..each one of Drona's Shishyas payed their last respect to their Guru..😭

The bit on Arjun talking to his Guru was Touching!😭😭 Though i didn't get how the Prathima maker turns out to be bigger than the Prathima in that symbolic representation of Arjun's relationship with Drona!😕😲 Also Liked the childhood flashback of Drona n Arjun they played👏👏👏..The symbolic hair tie that Drona gave in Govind's hand that was finally cremated with Drona was nicely incorporated👏..i liked that bit where Krishna releases that hair tie at Drona's feet👍🏼..probably reflecting that Drona was finally liberated from his life, from the Moh of sons, from Adharm n the K-clan of course!👏 SRJ Nailed that scene too!!👏 Loved that little smile n then the expression of emotion as Govind folded hands before Drona n then Blessed him🤗..Shaheer Rocked in that scene with Drona!🥳 Liked the emoting n expression of grave loss there..👏

I liked Riya as Gandhari today👏...the acting was Great n so was Anoop's👏..the emotions of parents helplessly watching their sons die was well emoted!!👍🏼 And Gandhari's rage n determination to save at least one son was Nicely emoted yet again by Riya!👏👏👏

But Gandhari truly needs some gyan about being a Pativrata and what Dharma is all about.😡 She claims to be an Epitome of Sacrifice n being Pativrata to the entire Vishw🤢..like Really?😲 How?😕😡 Blindfolding ur eyes as well because ur husband was blind??😡😡 Please!!🤢 Shouldn't u have been his eyes n that of ur sons too?🤔 Instead of choosing to turn a blind eye (quite Literally here!!😔) to them, u should be guiding them on the right path being Mother!!😲🤔 I actually wouldn't mind a good Gita Gyan lesson from Govind to Gandhari as she leaves for the battlefield👏..she needs one too!👍🏼

Talking of the Drith-Gandhari scene😳..the duo got another Huggy n comforting scene together!😳 If only the CVs had given our ArDi at least one such scene during the war...would've Rocked!!🥳

Well, with Gandhari out to save son Dury so he can kill all of Kunti's sons, we need to wait n watch what tricks Krishna will be playing here!😉😊

Precap: Yay!! We are finally coming to the most Awaited Dushy death scene👏👏👏..n i really hope the CVs have done a Great job with this!😕 The precap shows Draupadi in tears😭...hoping it isn't going to be shown as her going back to being sobby😲😕..but instead only a mix of emotions that flowed thru' her after Drupad's cremation n with Arjun assuring her that they hadn't forgotten about the insult she went thru'..Arjun n Bhim reminiscent what Panchali went thru' n reiterate their promise to kill those who treat women with disrespect.👏 Bhim was shown telling Panchali he would kill Dushy n bring his blood so she could wash her hair with it🥳..n then Bhim smashing Dushy up🥳..so waiting for tomorrow!!😃...Hoping n Praying that the CVs won't disappoint..😳
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Posted: 11 years ago
Few things:

1) Can anyone explain the symbolism behind StarKrishna holding on Drona's hair tie? He offers this to Drona at the very end so I think it means he is returning something...
2) I've been getting into horror videos lately and StarGandhari's voice at the end (where she was saying that she will save Dury so he can kill the Pandavas) sounded like one of those shaitani voices 😆

3) Ashwatthama probably got there when his dad was beckoning Dhristi to come there so can't think of a reason why StarAshwi has a problem -- especially since he doesn't mind the Pandavas attending his dad's funeral (unlike BRC)

4) I can't figure this one out ... but how exactly is StarDury going to leave his thighs covered ... he isn't as "gullible" as BRCDury to believe anything Krishna says ... this should be pretty creative.

5) Are the StarPandavas really that stupid? One second StarDrona is yelling at the top of his lungs that he is going to destroy the world, and then the next second he is on his knees with his hands folded and bow cast aside. He stands up and then tells Madhav that he is done and just goes into samadhi after beckoning Dhristi to come thither. Did no one notice that StarKrishna held on to StarDrona's hair band. This can only happen if StarDrona gave it to him or StarKrishna took it from him. StarDrona never gave it to him and StarKrishna didn't take it from him. ... oooh mysterious...

Anyhow, boring epi for me. I often found myself gazing outside at watching the birds and the butterflies fly about ... tomorrow Pooja is shown!!!
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Posted: 11 years ago
The hairband is getting so much attention. 🤣
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Posted: 11 years ago
Yeah the hair band is getting attention, because no one can figure out what it is supposed to signify and how did it get to Krishna anyway?😕

I wish Swastik had a Questions page we could direct these to. I think I must be developing OCD, these loose ends are beginning to bug me😆
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: AnuMP

Yeah the hair band is getting attention, because no one can figure out what it is supposed to signify and how did it get to Krishna anyway?😕

I wish Swastik had a Questions page we could direct these to. I think I must be developing OCD, these loose ends are beginning to bug me😆


After watching the epi, i was wondering about Drona's hair tie as well. After reading the posts here, I really liked Bheegi's explanation.

Originally posted by: bheegi


2. The symbolic 'tie' in Govind's hand that was finally cremated with Drona. The 'ties' that bound Drona to life- his son and Kuru clan were finally liberated.

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: luv_sakshi


Absolutely!! i agree with the actual story depicting Drona getting enraged first on hearing the news of Ashwathama's death..the sacrifice of weapons happens much later..the CVs decided to show the Gyan portion thru' Govind himself instead of the Saptarishis here...n that actually Rocked for me even more!!

thanks for sharing, i did not knew about this Saptrishi story. Then why Star Krishna gave the gyaan? Why didn't creatives made such track? :-( Really that unnecessary gyaan of this StarMahabharat was getting on my nerves. :-|
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: AnuMP

Yeah the hair band is getting attention, because no one can figure out what it is supposed to signify and how did it get to Krishna anyway?

I wish Swastik had a Questions page we could direct these to. I think I must be developing OCD, these loose ends are beginning to bug me

I have a theory I was thinking about when I posted my comments about today's episode but can't seem to connect it.


Anyhow, I think the hairband is supposed to signify moha (temptation). When Drona binds his hair with the hair band it means he has surrendered to Maya. There are many instances that we know of that revolve around hair. For example - Panchaali's bound hair before the vastraharan and the bloodied bound hair after Dushy's death signified the stability and peace (to an extent) in society. Only when she unbound her hair, it unleashed rage that consumed millions of warriors and soldiers from all around the globe. So to an extent, one can state that a "well-groomed" hair represents culture while loose hair represents the wild nature.


StarKrishna - famous for his many speeches - once spoke about how revolution will take over tradition. This was in his dialogues with StarBheeshma during StarSubhi's marriage. He mentioned something about the mango and it's layers. Only after removing the outer, somewhat bitter skin of the mango can we relish the sweetness of the mango. In other words, StarKrishna is emphasizing that traditions are meant to be broken.


So how does this connect to StarDrona's hair. Well, his bound hair symbolizes his loyalty to Duryodhana and every other material (non-Ishwara) relationship. This was his culture. His love for his son was so great that he was willing to sacrifice the entire world for him, even though his son was no longer existing and thus pretty much a pointless reason of riding the world of kshatriyas and other castes (this was before StarKrishna froze the time). It was this culture of his that kept him from realizing the Supreme Truth, the secret and knowledge of Godhead. But hair alone cannot symbolize culture because culture comes from rules, etiquette, beliefs, philosophy, etc. Something has to tie it all together -- this is the hair band. So from my understanding, I would relate portions of Drona's hair to specific values such as rule or beliefs or philosophy. And the hair band represents the chains that links them together to form material culture.


When Drona throws away his hair band, he is now making his hair loose - which as mentioned before represents wild nature. After this, he is able to understand and realize who StarKrishna truly is. God can be realized in many ways, but to understand God truly, you have to abandon all forms of attachment. For those that are familiar with the BG - Sarvadharmana Parityaja ... (18.66). Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender onto Me. I shall deliver from all sinful reactions. Do not fear. It is said that the best way to understand God is to think of Him from with a child's mind. The level of dependence found in a child is not seen in any adult. The nature of a child is more carefree, while the nature of the adult is more restricted and responsible. These attachments to material culture have to be broken for salvation. Going back to StarKrishna's lines about the mango - only after peeling the mango skin can we truly enjoy the mango. Otherwise all we are getting is a mixture of sweetness and bitterness. So to get to the mango's relishing parts -- moksha -- we have to step away from the things that restrict and draw us back.


I never saw how StarKrishna got the hair band, but I would think that his getting the hair band suggests Krishna accepting the offering. He only opened his fists to reveal this after Drona got his head sliced. So when Drona "passed" the test and proved he has truly surrendered, Krishna opened his fist to show the world that he has accepted Drona's sacrifice.


The final scene the hair band was involved in was the funeral. Krishna movements are interesting to note. He first returns the hair band to Drona, then he folds his hands, and then he separates his hands as if to bless him.


The returning of the hair band to Drona signifies a return of culture to Drona. However, this isn't material culture since it was offered to StarKrishna. Whatever we offer to Krishna, Krishna accepts and then allows us to engage in the blessed remnants- otherwise known as Prasadam. We may offer material food to Him, but what we eat is no longer material. Similarly, the hair band, though it used to represent material culture, now represents spiritual culture -- God Realization.


This is where everything falls apart for me. I can't seem to figure out why StarKrishna first folded his hands and then blessed him. (I would think he folded his hands because Drona was a Brahmin, but his actions were always Kshatriya-like... maybe it was an age thing?).


Anyhow, this is what was going on in the back of my mind. Hope this makes sense 😉


Edited by shyam09 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: bloodline


After watching the epi, i was wondering about Drona's hair tie as well. After reading the posts here, I really liked Bheegi's explanation.

Oooh I can't believe I missed Bheeg's interpretation ... that sounds pretty spot on. Excellent analysis Bheegs (I'm going to call you Bheegs for sometime since it sounds cool 😆).
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Posted: 11 years ago
Wow! Bheegi and Shyam
Deep! Dunno if ⭐️ is capable of such depth, though😕
Edited by AnuMP - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
@Shyam Great analysis 👏.

Seriously I have learnt a LOT of things about MB from this forum and this thread especially. Before I had the basic knowledge of MB but after reading the different analysis and interpretations and different POV's posted here, I have gained an actual insight.

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