Dharamraj or Adharamraj yudhisthira - Page 3

Originally posted by: angeala95

I know abt vikarn!! Vikarn had to die as he was frm the opposite camp!!
Who said vidur was nt punished?? He had to see the death of his entire clan!! Pandavas had to see the death of their children!! Death is nt the only punishment a persom can get!!Everyone in that sabha had got punishment of some kind!

Originally posted by: Pamalo

no karna's life story is something diff i dont noe bout forgiven bt he was the most deceived character of mahabharat 4m the start. and s i agree with u yudhi's crime was bigger than anyone seriously i've been trying to say this only 4m the very beginning of the topic & being addicted to the game in itself is wrong.

I dont think he was forgiven because even during the last battle Krishna Bhagwan asked Arjun to remember the humiliation to Draupadi and kill karna when he was without a weapon.

Originally posted by: Urmila11

Whatever I have to say regarding this topic, I have already posted in this thread:

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/mahabharat/3874335/like-or-dislike-yudhishtir-vb-nt-pg-22?pn=10

My request is: please read the epic properly before commenting anything against a respectable character.
I must say that I am not trying to support him morally. But we must realize a character's mental situation & thoughts from his POV always while judging or analyzing him, otherwise our analysis will be a one-sided thing based on our own liking or disliking. To avoid this we must study the character's overall nature throughout the whole epic too & then we need to think neutrally. This is 18 parva great epic Mahabharat & we can never conclude on a character just seeing one single action of one single parva. We must judge on the total thing being unbiased. If we become blind like Dhritarashtra then we will be unable to judge properly & conclude with Duryodhan is the best character of MB' 😈 😆 but this is not a research mentality, right? Liking or disliking a character is completely personal matter (as for dyutasabha many people hate Yudhishthir, I can say that I hate Karna for ordering Dushshashan to torture Draupadi 😡😆, but that's only personal POV, not of a reader & researcher 😳) & during research or serious discussions we must reject that biased nature. I have noticed that there is a trend now to dislike Yudhishthir. Some people say that he was bad & some say that he was unnecessarily good at that time, but nobody tries to understand him in a neutral way rather always misunderstand him 😭. But I think the person claimed as Dharmaraj by Lord Krishna & great sage Vedvyas must be discussed logically & neutrally for welfare of present society as we Kaliyug people have many lessons to learn from him 😊

Originally posted by: shipreeta

I dont think he was forgiven because even during the last battle Krishna Bhagwan asked Arjun to remember the humiliation to Draupadi and kill karna when he was without a weapon.

Few things I would like to clarify...as Urmila said get the fact right before commenting on any characters.

The discussion is only for the day concerned and not for the character discussion of Yudhisthir. He was a righteous man and the only person to ascend mortal to the heaven. But that day what he did was not a mistake but a sin.

And why do you think that if VH had not happened then Yudhidthir would not have been blamed? His sin is that he staked his wife (may be it was a culture but i it was then was there a clause that if a man loses his family of free men, they wont be treated as daas or daasi?) I mean if at that point Draupadi was not insulted and sent to the Dasi grih and then was later called upon by Kauravas would you forgive Yudhisthir?


What I find wrong in this discussion is that while Yudhisthir's crime is being stated as a "mistake" by stating it was a norm those days and the crimes of Karna and Kaurava (which was again a norm those days) is being stated as crime. I mean why this dual standard. If Yudhisthir did a mistake that day, the Karna and Kauravas did the same (And technically their mistake was targeted to a person about whom they never showed their concern or care so is definitely less severe) On the other hand if Karna and Kauravas did a crime, so did Yudhisthir.
But a double standard is being shown here perhaps because Yudhisthir was overall a good man and Kauravas were overall bad

All of you say that one day conduct can not count for a persons character. I want to reverse the statement.

Just because a person had otherwise great character does not mean that he did not commit any crime on that given day

Ok now since you have started let me keep my view forward too. But before I keep my view forward let me tell you that I am neither a supporter of Yudi nor I am against him.

Originally posted by: shipreeta

The discussion is only for the day concerned and not for the character discussion of Yudhisthir. He was a righteous man and the only person to ascend mortal to the heaven. But that day what he did was not a mistake but a sin.

And why do you think that if VH had not happened then Yudhidthir would not have been blamed? His sin is that he staked his wife (may be it was a culture but i it was then was there a clause that if a man loses his family of free men, they wont be treated as daas or daasi?) I mean if at that point Draupadi was not insulted and sent to the Dasi grih and then was later called upon by Kauravas would you forgive Yudhisthir?


What I find wrong in this discussion is that while Yudhisthir's crime is being stated as a "mistake" by stating it was a norm those days and the crimes of Karna and Kaurava (which was again a norm those days) is being stated as crime. I mean why this dual standard. If Yudhisthir did a mistake that day, the Karna and Kauravas did the same (And technically their mistake was targeted to a person about whom they never showed their concern or care so is definitely less severe) On the other hand if Karna and Kauravas did a crime, so did Yudhisthir.
But a double standard is being shown here perhaps because Yudhisthir was overall a good man and Kauravas were overall bad

All of you say that one day conduct can not count for a persons character. I want to reverse the statement.

Just because a person had otherwise great character does not mean that he did not commit any crime on that given day

Originally posted by: Angela_Grokes

Ok now since you have started let me keep my view forward too. But before I keep my view forward let me tell you that I am neither a supporter of Yudi nor I am against him.

Now here's my POV - I microscopically seen do you think that there was even one person in that dyut sabha who was not at fault. Whether it was Adharmi Duryodhan, Shakuni or Dharma mahagyaanis Yudhishthir, Bhishm, Vidhura or Karna. From slaves to kings all were wrong. Only two people involved in that incident were not at all wrong firstly of course Draupadi because I think it was no fault of her , some may say she said Karna a suta at the swayamvar or she laughed at Duryodhan but by the end of the day she should have been kept away from the sabha in any case. And the second who was not at fault was Krishna yes though he was not present in the Sabha but he did help Draupadi, isn't it? So you cannot only point out Yudhishthir since he gambled Draupadi. No not at all, if Yudhishthir gambled her all others kept mum. So aren't all equally at fault. Just think that if Krishna would not have helped Draupadi and she would have been disrobed would still you regard only Yudhishthir at fault. No my dear friend the one who does bad or takes part in it is not the only one at fault but the ones who tolerate it are equally at fault.

Originally posted by: sonanai

Few things I would like to clarify...as Urmila said get the fact right before commenting on any characters.

Vastraharan of Draupadi was not because of staking in Dyut Sabha...Even I willnot blame Duryodhana for the same completely...Even he did not plan for the vastraharan...

This was suggestion given by KARNA to remove the clothes of Draupadi as she was a prostitute as she had married 5 men...And for prostitute no clothes are required...And especially empress clothes should not be worn by this women...With the suggestion the wicked mind duryodhana asked dushashan to remove the clothes of draupadi...

In olden days Dice game used to be played for staking itself and conquering kingdoms , men...And it was a common practice then...And one more thing...If Draupadi accepted that she has lost she would not have been called in the Rajya Sabha and she would have directly shifted to the Daasis chamber...Also Had the Vastra Haran not happened no body would have blamed Yudhishthira not even the lord...