Karna: Does He Deserve So Much Respect??[DT Note Page 15] - Page 36

Originally posted by: ...Diala...

I know this is being stated here and there.. but I have loads of questions on this part.. and the answers I have dont support this.. that will need a separate post.. will let you know once I make it..

Originally posted by: SayaneeH.Lecter

Anyway TM you deserve at least one thanks from karnalis .. this post again proved Karna is the most magnificent topic of Mahabharata .. even after ages lover/haters NONE can't Ignore Him.. in This forum whenever a topic is made on Karna it's a big hit .. make a topic on other hate/love Karanalies hardly get effected .. make a topic on KARNA .. Karnalies will definitely come .. haters will also join .. I love it .. so Amrita really a big Thanks .. n here my Thanks is as generous as Karna-Dury friendship [hope you at least don't doubt on it]

Originally posted by: -Archu-

Ofcourse..His death earned him glory..His rival had to wait for the moment when he is unarmed and helpless to kill him..😊

Well who educated in dharma purposely commits sins for a friends all his life and expects die with honor. He deserve his death the way he did.Again Lord Krishna Judge his death the righr way.

So what did we conclude? Should Upendrakishore Raychowdhury have been read in Class 1 or 5? (Don't like admitting it, but I sucked in Bengali in school, so I would struggle to read him even today)


I guess I'm late, but one thing I wanted to comment on - the celebrations of the deaths of enemies. It's not mentioned anywhere that Karna celebrated anyone's death, and I don't put it beyond Krishna to lie about things, particularly when he inspired Yudisthir to do so (disclaimer: I'm okay w/ lying to enhance their chances of victory, so don't hold it against Krishna). But I do break ranks here w/ Karnalis who claim that everyone celebrated the deaths of their enemies.

The Kauravas excelled @ this from day 1, in the absence of Karna: when Sveta was slain by Bheeshma, Dushashan & others danced around & rejoiced @ his death. I thought that the Kauravas just hated the Pandavas, but here they were, celebrating the death of someone who was just one of their warriors. Granted, he had given them a tough battle, but respecting him for that was out of the question.

The next incident of celebrations were on Abhimanyu's death, where Karna's participation is not explicitly mentioned (no, Krishna's claims to Arjun don't count).

On the Pandava side, the only 2 deaths that were celebrated were that of Jayadrath & Dushashan. For Jayadrath, it was Arjun & Krishna blowing their conches. For Dushashan, it was Bhima dancing around Dushashan's body. Dushashan has to be regarded as a special case, and in no way reflective of the Pandava behavior in general.

In case of Duryodhan, when Bhima brought him down by striking his thighs, he wanted to kick him in the face, but Yudisthir stopped him, & Krishna, after calming Balarama down, claimed that he himself was upset @ that. Here, I agree w/ Bhima & disagree w/ Krishna: Bhima brought his anger down on the person who was the immediate cause of this carnage in the first place.

I also disagree w/ Varaali that Duryodhan too repented when he was dying. Nowhere does he save that. When Krishna tells the Pandava army to abandon Duryodhan since he was now like a piece of dead wood, Duryodhan went on into a tirade about how Krishna had cheated him, and Krishna in turn refuted him. Duryodhan then made some claim about reading the vedas and doing great things and was showered by flowers from heaven, which left the Pandavas somewhat shaken & embarrassed. Later on, Duryodhan went on to encourage Ashwatthama, Kripa & Kritavarma, and when he got the news of the massacre of the Pandava army, he rejoiced, and told Ashwatthama that the latter had achieved what Bheeshma, Drona & even Karna couldn't, and that Duryodhan could die happy. None of that sounds remotely like repentance.

Karna, OTOH, regretted his deeds long b4 the war - when Krishna revealed to him his identity. Now, one could criticize Karna for making his behavior towards the Pandavas dependent on whether they were his relatives or not. But by no means was Karna regretting things after his defeat, which he didn't even get to do, since he was beheaded while he was frantically trying to remember the Brahmashira mantra while struggling to remove his chariot wheel

On Krishna vs Karna's circumstances, I agree w/ Watcher - Krishna didn't have even a fraction of the societal ridicule that Karna had, whether it was being spurned by princesses, or being insulted due to his birth. There is a major difference b/w a warrior volunteering to be a charioteer, vs a charioteer being ridiculed for trying to be a warrior.

Originally posted by: amritat

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<font color="#cc0000">Why do u categorize people into Karna haters and Karna lovers?</font>

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<font color="#cc0000">U see, there are some people, who are in between, who are neither haters nor lovers of Karna.</font>

<font color="#cc0000">And I think, I am one of them.</font>

<font color="#cc0000">And finally,I really have to ask(which I did not want toask initially), y get so offensive and personal? "Oh u are a Bengali, and u don't even know this!! Read this and read that." Like really? Are these comments really necessary on this thread?</font>

<font color="#cc0000">What's this got to do with being a Bengali?</font>

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I very well remember that after the VH episode, one Anti-Karna thread was made where people were bashing Karna. Some people said that he is the "real napunsak" and all those comments were liked by you and now you say that you don't hate him. Its really hard for me to believe! 😃

And as you said that Karna is the most loved character after Krishna. So, definitely there is something in Karna that so many people love and respect him to the core. Majority can't be wrong! You should've taken out some time to find out why he is so loved and I don't think you're having problem with why he is so loved after Krishna and in that matter, you opened up this thread. 😊

To me it seems you found hatred for him too strong to think otherwise..

Off late I havent been on this thread thanks to Bhagwatgeeta .Amrita I must say you are very balanced girl you handle sarcasm and hatred very well .Well I havent gone through all the pages but of the few pages I have realised you are being accused for not being a Karna admirer being a Bengali regoin discrimination by Karnalis ???? .Also I have seen a comment saying Abhimanyu had a glorious death because of the "great act " of these warriors .Well I wouldnt mention names of people making comments and get into personal bashing and sarcasm ...It was said brave heart like Abhimanyu deserved such a glorious death and karna cut Abhimanyu's bow in a fair fight..Well I laughed out loud at this comment .A young lad fights alone with so many warriors and it is called a fair fight .Well according to my knowledge a duel means two warriors fighting with each other till one proves to be victorious and other is defeated ...and not taking turns one by one and attacking a lone warrior .I couldnt understand the chakravyuh fair fight though ...@The watcher I wanted to clarify I specifically asked would Abhimanyu celebrate on enemy's death ???? And not Paandavas .Well I know Paandavaas celebrated,rejoiced and enthralled on Karnas death .Why just Karna's death they rejoiced on his Kavach daan aswell.I am very well acquintted by that fact .There has been a lot of disscussion regarding the word wh**e being used then as far as I have read he called her Baidshah which means a wh**e ...I donot want to get into the age old disscussion of why he might have done that .